Wizards and Pistons 6 player trade - basically its

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

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Im not sure if this was a good trade for the Wizards, seeing as though Hamilton looked pretty good last year and probably would have had a breakout year this year with the Wiz.

[Guest Leena]

Good trade for both teams. It looks the Wizards are going for it all next year, and Stackhouse is a proven star that can compliment Jordan, and put up 30+ if needed. Stackhouse was gonna leave Detroit after this year, so they might as well get Rip for him now.

[Guest ant_7000]

How will Stack and MJ share the ball? But, the Wizards got the better end of the deal, Now with MJ, Stack, Russell, and Hughes (if he gets it together) they could be a playoff team.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I don't think that move was good for either team. How long is MJ gonna be around? Richard Hamilton still can get better, while Stackhouse is pretty much where he's going to be. The trade was bad for the Pistons because they could have gone a step further this year if they would have had Stackhouse. Does anyone know the monetary figures involved?

[Guest starvenger]

It's not a bad trade either way. Detroit doesn't rely solely on their starters to do the job for them, and the bench really came through in times when Stackhouse was shut down.

[Guest Lethargic]

I don't think that move was good for either team. How long is MJ gonna be around? Richard Hamilton still can get better, while Stackhouse is pretty much where he's going to be. The trade was bad for the Pistons because they could have gone a step further this year if they would have had Stackhouse. Does anyone know the monetary figures involved?

Money is what this whole trade was about according to ESPN. Detroit was not going to give Stackhouse the max contract he's looking for after the upcoming season (he has three years and roughly $20.6 million left on his deal, but plans to opt out of the contract after the season). With only $32 million or so committed for the 2003-04 season, the Pistons want to keep as much cap room open for next summer's free agent class as possible. Now, Richard Hamilton is also entering the last year of his rookie deal, and he also wants a max contract after this season. The money will be there for him if he has a breakout season. For the Wizards, it's only a one-year commitment for the Wiz, after Stack opts out of his contract they will have around $15 million in potential cap room next season (when deadweights like Lorenzo Williams and Loy Vaught come off the payroll) while having a young (if unproven) nucleus of Hughes, Kwame Brown, Jared Jeffries, Dixon and Brendan Haywood all under contract. They'll just need a leader. It could be Stack; it could be someone else.

 

Personally I question the trade for both sides. The Pistons come off of last year's great season where they shocked everybody and made it to the playoffs. Now they dump their leading scorer for Richard Hamilton who's never shown he could score the way Stack could. The Wizards on the other hand give up a star on the rise for a guy that virtually disappeared during the playoffs last year. Weird trade. The Wizards are almost a completely different team from last year's team. They've added Stackhouse, Bryon Russel, Larry Hughes, Juan Dixon, Jared Jefferies, and Rod Grizzard. The problem is that every single one of those guys are guards. So it doesn't really seem like any of it will make them a better team because they still have chumpchanges like Christian Laettner playing the middle. The only chance they have of being a good team is still one guy, 60 year old Michael Jordan.

[Guest bravesfan]

Stackhouse had a 7 year, $37 million dollar deal that he was going to opt out of at the end of the 2003 season anyway, so he could essentially max out" his contract after that.

 

Stack was shut down a hell of a lot of times last year, but that can be contributed to the lack of a offense Detroit has provided behind him. He was double-teamed and triple-teamed more often than not...

 

BUT, if Stack has MJ on his team, the double-teams suddenly disappear and Jerry becomes a 30-Point scorer again.

 

Good trade both ways, but the Pistons have to really look at complimenting Hamilton on the offensive side of the ball, because Clifford Robinson and Ben Wallace aren't cutting it.

[Guest El Satanico]

Why the hell is Jordan being greedy. I mean god damn the motherfucker has 6 or 7 rings so why is he so hungry get another ring at the expense of his own team. Trade a young player who is ready to explode on a very young team for a older player with a history of being a ballhog. I'm sure Stackhouse is a great example to give to a young team :coughbullshitcough:. I hope it all backfires and blows up in his face and he still leaves the NBA on a losing team.

 

Yeah nice job of being a greedy old bastard Jordan. Yep and i wonder why i could never stand him.

[Guest Lethargic]

Why the hell is Jordan being greedy. I mean god damn the motherfucker has 6 or 7 rings so why is he so hungry get another ring at the expense of his own team. Trade a young player who is ready to explode on a very young team for a older player with a history of being a ballhog. I'm sure Stackhouse is a great example to give to a young team :coughbullshitcough:

 

Yeah nice job of being a greedy old bastard Jordan. Yep and i wonder why i could never stand him.

I always hated Jordan too. But in this case I don't. I don't know what team you like so I'll just use the Wizards. If you were a die-hard Wizards fan and Michael Jordan was running the team, wouldn't you WANT him to be greedy and try to bring a championship to your team, whatever it took? Those fans are starving for anything positive from this franchise. If adding Stackhouse for one year gets the team into a winning mode, into the playoffs, maybe the finals and it gives them the chance to add one of the great free agents that will be available next season to the team...it's not that bad of a deal. There are plenty of other people running teams like the Sonics, Cavs, Clippers, Warriors and Suns who either don't seem to give a damn about doing what it takes to be a succesful team, or just don't have a clue what it does take. If anything I respect Jordan for being greedy for a championship and being on a succesful team. There are too many other players who are only greedy about making the most money and winning doesn't mean a thing to them. I could go the rest of my life and never hear the term "max contract" again and be the happiest man on Earth.

[Guest bravesfan]

I always hated Jordan too.  But in this case I don't.  I don't know what team you like so I'll just use the Wizards.  If you were a die-hard Wizards fan and Michael Jordan was running the team, wouldn't you WANT him to be greedy and try to bring a championship to your team, whatever it took?  Those fans are starving for anything positive from this franchise.  If adding Stackhouse for one year gets the team into a winning mode, into the playoffs, maybe the finals and it gives them the chance to add one of the great free agents that will be available next season to the team...it's not that bad of a deal.  

It's obvious to me that Jerry Stackhouse will NOT be a Wizard after the 2003 season, no matter how well he plays. He is just a stepping stone to Jordan's ultimate prize, Tim Duncan. Although Stack has molded himself into a better "team player" after last year, TIM-MAY~! fits the role of a "do-it-all" inside force; something Jordan did not have even in his Bulls' tenures.

 

If Stackhouse/Hughes/Jordan can at least bring the team to the conference finals, the Wizards will reel in Duncan quite easily (that is unless, Duncan stays loyal to the Spurs.)

[Guest Ripper]

1: Duncan ain't leaving the Spurs unless it is for the nets and vice versa for Jason Kidd. these dudes will be on the same team soon...it just matters what coast.

 

2. Richard Hamilton will put up 25 plus points a game with the pistons. He isn't just a alright scorer, he is a amazing scorer. The only problem is that if you look at his minutes over the years, he just doesn't get many.

 

For some reason, Tyrone Nesby has been starting at the 2 guard for the Wizards(I have this feeling that someone didn't like him demanding the ball so much) and he was coming off the bench as the teams 2nd leading scorer with alot less minutes than the leading scorer. He will show his worth. He is young, and dammit...that guy can shoot.

 

For the Wizards....they remain the biggest fucking morons in the league. They have taken the 2 guys that they should have been building the team around (Alexander and Hamilton) and traded them...one of them for a guy that will be leaving after one year. They bury Kwame Brown and prevent his learning process even more by 1: Jordan Playing 2: Signing Bryon Russell as Jordons backup which put Kwame 3rd on the dept chart. They are just emtying up the salary caps and could still end up not getting any picks.

 

The trade would be even if there weer more years on Stackhouses contract, but that aint the case.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I though Kwame Brown was playing the 5 and from what I saw, Brendan Haywood outplayed Kwame last year.

[Guest ant_7000]

Brown plays the 4 spot and might have the chance to start over Lattener or Etan Thomas. I also think Jordan didn't have the confidence in Hamilton to bring the Wizards over top he felt that he was on the soft side. Looking at the starting lineup of the Wizards. In a still weak East they could still go a long way though.

 

PG: Hughes (Bad move here)

SG/SF: Stack

SF: Russell (Temporary and could play SG)

PF: Lattener

C: Thomas or White or Haywood

 

Bench:

SG/SF: Jordan (Temporary)

SF/PF: Jefferies

PF: Brown

PG: Dixon/Whitney

C: Haywood/White

PF: Jones

[Guest Redhawk]

What happened to Jordan taking Hamilton under his wing? Oh well. I don't see anything wrong with this trade for the Wizards. Stackhouse is older, but he's not old. And when he wants to, he can put up 25-30 points per game. I don't think MJ and Stack sharing the ball will be an issue. Stackhouse respects/fears Jordan just like any young player in the league, and all it'll take is that look for him to quit bitching about touches if he ever starts. Stack can play the Pippen role. But Jordan is probably going to defer to Stack more often this year anyway.

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

What happened to Jordan taking Hamilton under his wing?

 

I think Jordan realized he's only got one more year left in his knees, so he can't wait for Rip to become "elite". Besides, now he's got Juan Dixon to teach.

 

They've added Stackhouse, Bryon Russel, Larry Hughes, Juan Dixon, Jared Jefferies, and Rod Grizzard. The problem is that every single one of those guys are guards.

 

Actually, they're all basically natural two guards or small forwards. The Wizards' real problem is at the point, because nobody on that team is a strong enough dirbbler to play the point (Dixon and Hughes included). So I don't know how they're going to get the ball up the floor.

 

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[Guest Redhawk]

Don't they still have Tyronn Lue? That's who I always used at PG for them on NBA 2K2