Calling All Christians/Catholics/Religious people.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well, for one thing, there's no evidence of a God SO WHAT'S YOUR FUCKING POINT? It's called FAITH, if you believe in a higher power then you need it. Sometimes you have to believe in something.

 

I think that first sentence there about there not being a God, so what was the point of this debate, also applies to you. As for having to believe in something...the only thing I have ever need to belief in was myself.

 

Oh, I guess a better metaphor would have been an ant farm then. I mean seriously if you've met God, great but if you haven't who's to say what his opinion is of us. We have the prophets, Jesus, and faith leaders to go on.

 

I'm the first to admit that I don't know everything when it comes to Catholicism, but didn't Jesus and the prophets supposedly talk about how God was so great and loving. How he was compassionate and ever forgiving. How he cared for all of us. ETC. So going by those statements about the almighty one, he doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would allow thousands of INNOCENT people to die for his own benefit. Yet, that is pretty much what happened if there really is a god to begin with.

 

Way too many hypotheticals in this argument.

1. If all you've evr needed faith in was yourself then, how can you expect your opinions about faith to carry weight with me or anyone else? You have no experience. Also, this thread deals with God explicitly and it is assumed that everyone here acknowledges some higher power.

 

I don't know God. I don't know his works or his plan. (Assumeing there is one) I can't tell you how God feels about us. i was speaking hypothetically. Try it sometime.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I can't imagine being here just for divine amusement... logically there must be SOME purpose to our existance.

This is not logic. This is hope.

 

Ah... but maybe he helped us and we didn't listen. Maybe he sent something to the FBI and they didn't know. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

This is the most offensive and stupidest line of crap that emerges from blind Christianity. The Lord works in mysterious ways, so He can't ever fail. If something bad happens, well, He tried to help us but we didn't listen so it's our fault. Bullshit. This is called an unfalsifiable postulate and it is worthless.

 

YOU seem to think that he should have stopped 9/11, and there was no reason not too. Perhaps this is all part of the plan?

Perhaps. It had better be a fucking good plan or I'm going to kick His ass.

No logically, if you are omnipotent, why create an infinately complex universe if not for some reason? If he really needed amusement, I'm sure he could have done something else.

 

I'm definatly not a blind Christian, I'm what is popularly called a lapsed Catholic. I was speaking hypothetically. Face it, Marney YOU DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T STOP IT. Hell, you don't know if he SHOULD HAVE stopped it. Maybe there was a purpose behind letting it happen.

 

Realistically, you can't kick his ass. Let's face facts here.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

. Face it, Marney YOU DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T STOP IT. Hell, you don't know if he SHOULD HAVE stopped it. Maybe there was a purpose behind letting it happen.

 

Realistically, you can't kick his ass. Let's face facts here.

It'd be a good fight though. Someone tell Don King

[Guest Cancer Marney]

logically, if you are omnipotent, why create an infinately complex universe if not for some reason? If he really needed amusement, I'm sure he could have done something else

Again, this has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with faith. You are arguing from a position of ignorance.

 

I'm definatly not a blind Christian

Perhaps not, but the sentiments you've expressed in this thread are those of a blind Christian with blind religious beliefs predicated on faith but presented as logic. You are arguing faith, which makes you look ridiculous.

 

I was speaking hypothetically.

Merely a convenient excuse you trot out whenever your weak, pathetic argument falls flat on its silly face.

 

YOU DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T STOP IT.

Nope, I don't.

Hell, you don't know if he SHOULD HAVE stopped it.

From what I know, I do, and He should have. I won't argue from a position of ignorance, unlike you, so I won't bother to say that there might be possible reasons for not stopping it. Anything might be possible. That is not, however, meaningful or relevant in honest debate.

 

Maybe there was a purpose behind letting it happen.

Maybe. Again, claiming that there might have been a purpose wins you zero points. But thanks for playing.

 

you can't kick his ass

I can beat the living shit out of anyone, including God.

Wait and see.

 

~

 

Lucy is gazing out into space

She has starry eyes, starry eyes that light up her face

Like an angel

 

Little girl, little girl questioning me

She says, "Why doesn't everyone have what they need?

Where are the angels, angels, angels?

Where are the angels, angels, angels?"

I cannot tell you my little darling

All my faith has fallen, fallen, fallen

 

The stars in Lucy's eyes run down her cheek

Like teardrops of fire, still her voice is as sweet

As an angel

 

She says, "Where is the place that the good souls go

Where they take away, take away the pain that they know

Where are the angels, angels, angels?

Where are the angels, angels, angels?"

 

I cannot tell you my little darling

All my faith has fallen, fallen, fallen

 

Ashes, ashes, all fall down

Ashes, ashes, all fall down

If I could take the world in my arms

I'd take all the wrong and I'd fly

 

Yes, I'd like to know

Where the good souls go

Where are the angels, angels, angels?

Where are the angels, angels, angels?

 

I cannot tell you my little darling

All my faith has fallen, fallen, fallen

I cannot tell you my little darling

All my faith has fallen, fallen, fallen...

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

1. This my opinion. If you don't agree with it fine, I'm no missionary, but it's what i believe.,

 

2. Nope. I said logic once, but the rest of the post are entirely based on my beliefs, and in response to your asinine argument that God is somehow responsible to straigten out our shit. Grow up. If you actually have faith in God, I think perhaps you'd look at this deeper then, "3000 people died! Why didn't help us! (Tear)" Guess what, if he was going to help us out i can think of a good 10,000 things more useful than preventing 9-11.

 

Nope, merely the truth. I don't know God so I was/am expressing possibilties. Nice try, though.

 

So why are saying he should, then? That's pretty arrogent of you.

 

And if you think you're getting any points for talking about that which you have NO KNOWLEDGE your head's even farther up your ass then I relized.

 

I don't care if you're a woman or not, but that opinion would get you killed after being tied down and raped. It's a stupid, arrogent, one. Fuck, I bet you couldn't even win a catfight.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

10,000 things? I dunno, by divinely dumping a certain group of terrorists into the middle of the ocean to save 3,000 people, that's pretty efficient. You can't tell me that there is 10,000 things that can do better than that on one day...Well, you can, but still, doesn't mean it makes sense. Hope I don't sound like an Idiot here...

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

10,000 things? I dunno, by divinely dumping a certain group of terrorists into the middle of the ocean to save 3,000 people, that's pretty efficient. You can't tell me that there is 10,000 things that can do better than that on one day...Well, you can, but still, doesn't mean it makes sense. Hope I don't sound like an Idiot here...

Well, I could think of 5,000 ways he could have ended religous tension between Muslims and Christains, a good 4,000 ways he could have ended conflicts between Christians of different denominations, and then there's MILLIONS of important things he could have showed or taught us that could have changed the world as we know it.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

This my opinion. If you don't agree with it fine, I'm no missionary, but it's what i believe

And thus totally irrelevant because this is a forum for debate, not a podium for evangelistic sermons.

 

If you actually have faith in God, I think perhaps you'd look at this deeper then, "3000 people died! Why didn't help us! (Tear)" Guess what, if he was going to help us out i can think of a good 10,000 things more useful than preventing 9-11.

This presumes that God has limited resources and time, which, based on the concept of God predicated by his PR department, is false.

 

I don't know God so I was/am expressing possibilties.

Possibilities are ranked by likelihood. The possibilities you proposed are based on no evidence beyond faith and are therefore worthless in an argument.

 

And if you think you're getting any points for talking about that which you have NO KNOWLEDGE your head's even farther up your ass then I relized.

"Relize" this: I said, as I have been saying all along, that based on what I know, God had no reason not to intervene on 9/11 or whenever people have suffered or died in the past. I am granting the possibility that there might have been a reason, but if so, I want to hear it from Him. And it had better be good.

 

I don't care if you're a woman or not, but that opinion would get you killed after being tied down and raped.

So you show your devotion to God by torturing, raping, and murdering those who disagree with you or question your God. How charming.

Is your first name Mohammed, by any chance?

 

Seriously: don't ever threaten me with bodily harm again. This time I'll let it stand as an example of your crass stupidity, your belligerent misogyny, and your evil nature. Next time, I PM an admin.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Know what? Maybe I'll just sit back and let Marney go at it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This my opinion. If you don't agree with it fine, I'm no missionary, but it's what i believe

And thus totally irrelevant because this is a forum for debate, not a podium for evangelistic sermons.

 

If you actually have faith in God, I think perhaps you'd look at this deeper then, "3000 people died! Why didn't help us! (Tear)" Guess what, if he was going to help us out i can think of a good 10,000 things more useful than preventing 9-11.

This presumes that God has limited resources and time, which, based on the concept of God predicated by his PR department, is false.

 

I don't know God so I was/am expressing possibilties.

Possibilities are ranked by likelihood. The possibilities you proposed are based on no evidence beyond faith and are therefore worthless in an argument.

 

And if you think you're getting any points for talking about that which you have NO KNOWLEDGE your head's even farther up your ass then I relized.

"Relize" this: I said, as I have been saying all along, that based on what I know, God had no reason not to intervene on 9/11 or whenever people have suffered or died in the past. I am granting the possibility that there might have been a reason, but if so, I want to hear it from Him. And it had better be good.

 

I don't care if you're a woman or not, but that opinion would get you killed after being tied down and raped.

So you show your devotion to God by torturing, raping, and murdering those who disagree with you or question your God. How charming.

Is your first name Mohammed, by any chance?

 

Seriously: don't ever threaten me with bodily harm again. This time I'll let it stand as an example of your crass stupidity, your belligerent misogyny, and your evil nature. Next time, I PM an admin.

I wasn't sermonizing. Simply expressing my personal opinions. I didn't condemn anyone or say anyone was out-and-out wrong just counterpointed my opinions with yours. That's Strike One.

 

My point was that if he was going to start helping us, why start now when he could have started teaching us centuries ago? Strike Two for not actaully READING the post.

 

Nope possibilities about God are NOT ranked by liklihood, you idiot because we don't actually KNOW anything about God for sure. It's a free-for-all

 

You don't he didn't have a reason not too. For assueming your tiny mind knows more about the universe then the guy who made the damn thing. I give you Strike Three. But wait! There's more...

 

I didn't say I would do it. Just that someday you say something to the wrong person and you end up dead. Try READING you stupid stupid butch.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh, and let me add that throughout this whole thing you're big argument has been that God should have saved the 9/11 victims. In one clear, and consise list I will illustrate why I believe this viewpoint is incorrect. Remember, these are MY OPINIONS. This isn't a sermon just how I feel:

 

1. God created us and has given us free will. The terrorist chose to commit that horrific act, it is not God's job to stop him. God gave us freedom over our own lives. We can only hope that the terrorists recieved their just desserts afterwards.

 

2. While it may be little conselation to the families of the victim's families, I believe that they are with God know watching over their families. I know about personal loss and this belief helped me get through it.

 

3. I believe that God had some plan for us and that 9/11 is one part of this plan. I was angry about it, but I would like to think that mankind has a destiny, and that 9/11 is another part of this destiny, albeit a tragic one.

 

4. I had a girlfriend, a long time ago.(I know hard to believe.) Marney reminds me a lot of her, which is why a get a kick out of bickering with her. I was a Sophmore in College, when she was killed in a car accident. believe me Marney i don't wish harm on you. I want you to recognize how powerful your temper and arrogence is and how you could really get hurt out there. Believe it or not, I like Marney and everyone else here on this board. The reason I didn't post back right away after the reply you made was because two things in your post hurt me:

 

1. You thought I was advocating your death

2. You reminded me so much of Lauren when you did it.

 

I don't think i can ever talk to you again, so I'm going to leave this topic. if you want to say how horrible I am, go ahead, i don't care. I'm leaving this board.

 

 

For the last time,

MrZsasz

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I didn't condemn anyone or say anyone was out-and-out wrong

Fair enough. I couldn't believe this at first, simply because I don't like your tone, your callousness, or your opinions, but I went back and checked and you actually didn't condemn any person or viewpoint. Interesting.

 

My point was that if he was going to start helping us, why start now when he could have started teaching us centuries ago?

I agree, but that's just another thing He has to explain. "Because He didn't intervene centuries ago" isn't an excuse for not intervening now. It's a pattern of criminal behaviour.

 

possibilities about God are NOT ranked by liklihood... because we don't actually KNOW anything about God for sure. It's a free-for-all

Wrong. When speaking of the Judeo-Christian God in the Bible (hmm, which one? NT and OT are kinda mutually contradictory, as Daniel pointed out earlier) we know quite a bit. We know He's supposed to love us. We know He's supposed to forgive our sins. We know He subscribes to the principle of justice. What is just about not preventing the loss of innocent lives? Maybe all those people didn't want to be part of His "plan." Maybe they just wanted to live. Maybe they just wanted to watch their children grow up, or care for their husbands and wives and their parents and other people they loved.

You can't claim that we alone are responsible for ourselves on the one hand, and then turn around and say that God kills us to further his own mysterious plans on the other. Either we have free will or we don't.

 

For assueming your tiny mind knows more about the universe then the guy who made the damn thing. I give you Strike Three.

I don't assume anything of the sort. I just want an explanation, because right now He's looking really, really bad.

 

I didn't say I would do it. Just that someday you say something to the wrong person and you end up dead.

This is true of anything and anyone. You chose to apply it specifically and in gleefully graphic detail to me. That was what I found and still find unacceptable.

 

I want you to recognize how powerful your temper and arrogence is and how you could really get hurt

I'm a senior federal official. I'm also a former combat instructor for the USMC as well as other services. (Yes, I know, it's easy to make up shit. Ask Tom if you like. He's met me in person and he's seen me teaching on TV.) I'm not Lauren, I'm not your girlfriend, and I'm not yours to verbally abuse and assault. Keep your patronisation and your "concern" to yourself.

Especially if you're going to express it by saying that I'll be raped and murdered. Christ, but you're one sick fuckup.

 

I'm leaving this board.

Yeah, right.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

No, I don't think God had anything to do with 9/11. I think that's an obscene idea. It's obvious who did it: 15 Moslems from Saudi Arabia plus 4 other Moslems from elsewhere.

It's not obvious that those muslims did it. I for one do not believe everything the news has told me. I have tried to read between the lines ever since oklahoma city when they reported there were 3 or 4 bombs in the building, then the next day it was a truck parked outside. All major american news sources are told what they can put "out there", and when they can put it out. Now back to the subject....

 

9/11 was definitly not the some plot by god to get people back to church. I do not want to get into what I think how it all went down but I highly doubt it was the total doings of these islamic fundamentalists and bin laden. If god wanted to punish his children, he would let us know and leave evidence of this punishment to be seen for thousands of years, like he did with the flood of noah.

 

--Rob

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Someone stuff this gibbering freak back into the idiot cage. I'm too irritable to deal with it tonight.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Honestly, belief in God is, as was stated before (I'm sure it was anyway, after all, I DO have more of a life than to go and read a whole thread about theology), one of the most pointless topics upon which to debate...

 

Belief in God helps you explain things that seem to be unexplainable. For some, it makes sense. Shit, there's some unbelievable stuff that happens in our world, does it make sense that it just happens *by chance*?

 

For others, it doesn't make as much sense. I have no problems with them, either.

 

Personally, I'm a Roman Catholic with, however, many differing views on issues. I'm not going to preach to you because no matter what I, or anyone else, could say... it will not convince you either way. Theology is something that should be a very personal matter, in my opinion. It's your explanation for the unexplainable.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

marney, who are you to judge me. You cannot even argue with me, all you do is shit on me. I got a neat idea, how about responding to my post and stop being such a jackass. You are not the smartest man alive, and to tell you the truth, you are probably not on my level either. I suggest you come correct or don't come at all. OH and next time you try to comment on me ask yourself this "Who the fuck am I?". When you realize your just some regular dude like everyone else, you will be able to respond better to other peoples comments.

 

--Rob

[Guest Cancer Marney]

outcast11: Agreed on all counts.

 

(...as Hell freezes over.)

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Rob, Marney isn't a dude.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

sorry couldn't tell because all SHE does is try to insult me. Either was SHE is regular like the rest of us.

 

--Rob

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

See, I'm not ALWAYS unreasonable

[Guest Cancer Marney]

how about responding to my post

I'm not going to respond to a post by a lunatic who claims Moslem hijackers weren't responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I still have two toenails left to repaint, which is a more productive and more intellectually challenging use of my time.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

sorry couldn't tell because all SHE does is try to insult me. Either was SHE is regular like the rest of us.

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

how about responding to my post

I'm not going to respond to a post by a lunatic who claims Moslem hijackers weren't responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I still have two toenails left to repaint, which is a more productive and more intellectually challenging use of my time.

once again, try to respond with an answer otherwise you are just avoiding it in order to insult me. How about posting your opinions instead of just speaking the repetitive nonsense everyone else is saying. Oh BTW I did not say they did not so it. I said they were not alone and we have not even uncovered half of the information we need to figure out the other parts of this conspiracy. DO you acually believe there is or was a war in afghanistan? My friend is in the 10th mountain division (You know, the guys searching the caves) and he told me the truth. It's all bullshit. Stop watching CNN (Communist News Network) and start trying to read between the lines.

 

--Rob

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

My God, dude... give it up.

 

Conspiracy theories are bullshit unless you can provide proof. Please do so.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

try to respond with an answer otherwise you are just avoiding it in order to insult me

Well, now he's caught on. Congratulations, take a cookie but please wash your hands first.

 

So anyway, how're the cows on the compound, Johnstone? Keeping a good eye out in case the feds try to steal your stock of canned vegetables and assault rifles? Hope you don't have any kids in that bunker, by the way. And you might want to double-check your drinking water with the magnetic wand one more time; I hear the aliens have a horrible new high-roentgen ray that might turn your brains into newt tails.

Wait, that would be a little pointless, wouldn't it? How would anyone be able to tell? Okay, nevermind. They probably won't do that. But don't take off your tinfoil hat, just in case.

Hey, can you tell me who killed JFK before some secret government agency cuts your phone line?

 

Hmm, I wonder if I should get the ATF to ring this guy, just for laughs.

[Guest danielisthor]

how about responding to my post

I'm not going to respond to a post by a lunatic who claims Moslem hijackers weren't responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I still have two toenails left to repaint, which is a more productive and more intellectually challenging use of my time.

once again, try to respond with an answer otherwise you are just avoiding it in order to insult me. How about posting your opinions instead of just speaking the repetitive nonsense everyone else is saying. Oh BTW I did not say they did not so it. I said they were not alone and we have not even uncovered half of the information we need to figure out the other parts of this conspiracy. DO you acually believe there is or was a war in afghanistan? My friend is in the 10th mountain division (You know, the guys searching the caves) and he told me the truth. It's all bullshit. Stop watching CNN (Communist News Network) and start trying to read between the lines.

 

--Rob

So are you insinsuating that for the past 10 or so months we've been watching a really long movie, made up in a movie studio, to entertain us on CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Headline News, etc. etc... I guess Geraldo Rivera is a better actor than i give him credit for almost taking that bullet.

 

 

I guess we can also surmise that Muslim Celebration in London was a fake govt. conspiracy to fuck with our minds and make us want to go kill more muslims too.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

fuck it, I will use articles used on DR. Kent Hovinds Web Site to atleast "throw it out there".

 

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April 24, 2001: Author and investigative journalist James Bamford releases a new book entitled BODY OF SECRETS (Doubleday), which reveals that in the 1960s the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans to launch a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country to incite public sentiment against the Communist regime in Cuba.

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July 2001: John O'Neill, deputy director of the FBI, resigns in protest over obstruction by the White House of any further investigation into the activities of Osama bin Laden. "The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it," said O'Neill. By coincidence, O'Neill accepted a position as security chief of the World Trade Center after leaving the FBI and was killed on Sept. 11. [Nov. 20, 2001, World Socialist Website]

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Aug. 6-7, 1998: On August 6, a grand jury hears former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, reported to testify that she and President carried on a sexual affair. On August 7 two U.S. Embassies in Africa are bombed, steering the news headlines away from the Lewinsky affair. The attacks are later blamed on Osama bin Laden. Why would bin Laden time these attacks to divert attention away from the Clinton affair? This has never been explained.

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Aug. 28, 2001: Two weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks on the WTC, the Federal Aviation Administration warned airlines and airports that individuals with links to terror networks were planning to fly on US airlines. The August 28 memo was revealed by Cambio Magazine, a Mexican magazine. Reuters reported this story and an FAA spokesperson said "she could not comment on security matters related to the Sept. 11 attacks." [Reuters, Yahoo News, October 6, 2001]

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Sept 6-7, 2001: The Chicago Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. United Stocks fell 42% from $30.82 to $17.50 which was the price when the stock market re-opened after the WTC attack. Assuming that 4000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent WTC attack, "insider traders" would have profited by almost $5 million. ["Black Tuesday, The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam," Don Radlauer, consultant to the International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism in Herzliya, Israel, Sept. 19, 2001]

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Sept. 10, 2001: Reuters releases a story published in newspapers across the USA that suggests purchase of airline stocks would be a good buy despite recent expectations of losses. The report said "investors who can stomach the bumpy ride might find the time is right to get back into US airline stocks." Goldman Sachs was identified as an aggressive buyer of airlines stocks because they are trading at 4-year lows, evidence that stock holders had been dumping their holdings prior to the World Trade Center attack. [Detroit Free Press, Sept. 10, 2001] Also on this day, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange compared to only 748 calls. American Airlines stock fell 39% from $29.70 to $18.00 per share. Assuming 4000 option trades represent insider trading, they would represent a gain of about $4 million. ["Black Tuesday, The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam," Don Radlauer, consultant to the International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism in Herzliya, Israel, Sept. 19, 2001]

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Sept. 11, 2001: National "911" day; teams of Islamic terrorists, some whom were on the FBI "watch" list, escaped detection and commandeered four commercial jet aircraft and steered them into the World Trade Center Towers in NYC and the Pentagon building in Washington DC. One plane crashed before it could strike any target. Onlookers report explosions just prior to the collapse of each tower and the buildings implode, as if they were being demolished by explosives as is customarily done with old buildings. Experts claim the heat from the fire and jet fuel caused the steel girders to buckle, but fire sprinkler systems had already put out much of the fire and fires burn upwards, which should have left the lower floors intact. Within a short period of time Osama bin Laden, hiding in Afghanistan, was fingered as the culprit behind the attacks and film footage was being shown on television of bin Laden speaking in Arabic language, calling on Muslims around the world to enter into a "Holy War." TV commentators were quick to note that Osama bin Laden's message appears to have been pre-taped. Why would a man who bankrolls terror, but is reportedly worth $300 million, cavort in caves in Afghanistan and remain there as western countries send forces to surround the country?

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Sept. 11, 2001: CNN airs live TV views of Kabul, the capitol of Afghanistan, showing flames from a possible attack on the outskirts of the city. Ahmed Shad Massoud, leader of the Afghan northern faction, is reported to have been killed by a bomb hidden in a TV reporter's video camera. CNN left the impression that either the US or northern Afghan forces had already retaliated against the ruling Taliban. An early link was being made for TV viewers between the WTC attack and the ruling Taliban in Afghanistan, long before US intelligence agencies could confirm the identities of the airborne hijackers and their alleged association with Osama bin Laden or terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. [CNN, Sept. 11, 2001]

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Sept. 12, 2001: CBS reporter Dan Rather interviewed Tom Kennedy, spokesperson for the Federal Emergency Management Agency's search and rescue team. Kennedy said he and his team arrived in New York City and were "finally on the ground" and deployed by "Monday night." That would mean the team arrived Sept. 10- the night before the attacks. FEMA officials claim Kennedy misstated his team arrival date. [World Net Daily Nov. 15, 2001]

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Within days of the WTC attack: US intelligence agencies, who had been cited for the biggest intelligence lapse in history, suddenly were able to round up hundreds of Islamic suspects and determine that the hijackers had made repeated trial trips on airliners prior to the Sept. 11 attack. [boston Globe, October 11, 2001]

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Oh nevermind, I guess this is all bullshit Atleast that's what you guys will say

 

--Rob

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

once again, try to respond with an answer otherwise you are just avoiding it in order to insult me. How about posting your opinions instead of just speaking the repetitive nonsense everyone else is saying. Oh BTW I did not say they did not so it. I said they were not alone and we have not even uncovered half of the information we need to figure out the other parts of this conspiracy. DO you acually believe there is or was a war in afghanistan? My friend is in the 10th mountain division (You know, the guys searching the caves) and he told me the truth. It's all bullshit. Stop watching CNN (Communist News Network) and start trying to read between the lines.

 

If there is no war, then what is your friend doing there?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

once again, try to respond with an answer otherwise you are just avoiding it in order to insult me. How about posting your opinions instead of just speaking the repetitive nonsense everyone else is saying. Oh BTW I did not say they did not so it. I said they were not alone and we have not even uncovered half of the information we need to figure out the other parts of this conspiracy. DO you acually believe there is or was a war in afghanistan? My friend is in the 10th mountain division (You know, the guys searching the caves) and he told me the truth. It's all bullshit. Stop watching CNN (Communist News Network) and start trying to read between the lines.

 

If there is no war, then what is your friend doing there?

Policing the afghans. They also did it in kosovo as well. 8 Months in all.

 

--Rob

[Guest Cancer Marney]

"Dr" Kent Hovind has a fraudulent and meaningless degree from a non-accredited degree mill called "Patriot University." He is also a documented liar (among other things, he claims light is slowing down, and he has filed false documents under oath before bankruptcy courts, not once but numerous times) and we have indicted him just this month for felony tax fraud. He also has an extensive FBI file which I'm reading right now. It's rather amusing.

In short, Hovind is not a good source to use when you're trying to shore up your credibility. Feel free to try again, though. This is fun.