Anglesault won't like this

[Guest AndrewTS]

Edge is a pretty good to mighty fine worker who throws a few too many spears because they get a better reaction than a regular clothesline. I mean DUH. It's amazing I have to even tell people these things.

Then he should use them like a guy his size would use a clothesline--NOT as a finisher.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Let me bring this into the mix. It's been brought up on other threads.

 

How often does Edge lose face to put over his opponent? How often do you find Edge not regaining his heat after a match or segment? Only one comes to mind and that was Jericho slamming the chair into Edge's shoulder, but other than that when has Edge let his opponent go out looking good?

Well, how about when he did the job to Eddy two weeks ago on Smackdown? And don't say that stopping the beatdown later on counts as getting his heat back because it was 2 on 1 and he was saving Rikishi.

[Guest Anglesault]

And don't say that stopping the beatdown later on counts as getting his heat back because it was 2 on 1 and he was saving Rikishi.

Or, it could be viewed as Edge taking out Benoit and Guerrero 1 on 2 after he had already been ebaten and battered by Eddy. I just think, with all 700 faces that could have saved Rikishi, Edge was the worst choice. They could have at least made it look like Eddy was competant enough to take him out for one night.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I agree. I don't like the way he's pushed to pretty much never lose face, but who's fault is that really? The bookers mostly.

 

So really I'm just a little peeved at WWE for their booking woes.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't think that Edge saving face equals a push. The guy hasn't moved up the card since his feud with Angle. Therefore those wins have been pretty pointless. Don't blame Edge for that, blame the bookers.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Edge and Bubba should team up, they would never lose anything.

EVER.

 

Candian Chica has a point though. Regardless of how many times unnamed WWF sources say "Edge is a main eventer", Edge is not a main eventer. Like Bubba, he's never been moved up the card (since Angle anyway) despite kicking everyone's ass nonstop.

 

And I would accept Edge using a spear as a clothesline substitute, if it meant that he could use a comeback other than 3 clotheslines and a "inverted side bulldog" of some sort. But since that doesn't seem to be happening, let's make fun of him!

 

Fear the Spear, dork!!111

[Guest Anglesault]

Because whoever writes Edge's material, is really fucking Edge over. I think part of the problem is that Adam Copeland is too stupid to make his opponent look good, but neither here nor now. "Edge" never treats his opponent as any kind of a threat. In every feud he has had, "Edge" has always made the win out to be a forgone conclusion. Now, if he was a ratfuck heel that eventually LOSES, that would make sense. But a babyface that WINS after saying that just hurts everyone. It proves that the opponent was worthless, and who DID "Edge" beat anyway? Why, some loser that he never gave a chance. So What? He SAID he would, and he did. No big deal. And THAT screws Edge. Because if it was portrayed as a major victory and somewhat of an upset, Edge would be progressing. But since it's "Business as usual" he's stuck where he is. And instead of changing his character around, the writers thought MORE meaningless wins and NEVER looking bad would help. It doesn't.

[Guest Redhawk]

Yeah, about the only person Babyface Edge "sold" for out of the ring was, um.....Gangrel.

[Guest CanadianChick]

C'mon guys.Edge doesn't treat his opponents like dirt, as you believe he does. And what is Edge suppose to do? Tremble and cower in fear when faced against his opponents? Everyone always says they are going to win, heels and faces.

[Guest Anglesault]

C'mon guys.Edge doesn't treat his opponents like dirt, as you believe he does. And what is Edge suppose to do? Tremble and cower in fear when faced against his opponents? Everyone always says they are going to win, heels and faces.

Point: The Angle win was supposed to be the "big win" that sent Edge to the top. But throughout that feud, Angle was portrayed to be somewhat below Edge's level. If Angle (or anyone for that matter) was a fatfuck heel who belittled Edge, sneak attacked him, got the advantage every show and had a clear advantage going into the PPV, and then Edge won CLEANLY, Edge would be a megastar. As it stands, Angle was portrayed as someone that Edge fought because he had nothing better to do. Edge dominated the feud, belittled Angle, humiliated him, beat him clean twice, and then went on to say there was no doubt (The week after the cage match) and that he basically beat him with one arm. That makes you a SHITTY ASS sympathetic babyface, which means you can't really be a main event babyface unless you bring something special to the table, like people have over the years. Edge, quite frankly, just doesn't.

[Guest Trivia247]

I agree that Angle's character as of late has been mistreated. Angle of the 2000-2001 was a Heel whom used his "superiority" in the ring as his means to get over as a Heel. For Angle to run and Hide from the new "Macho Man" In the form of Edge is Ludacris. It would have been a Bigger win for Edge, if They played out Angle to be the Superior athlete and Edge just beat him straight. Like Angle vs Rock at No Way Out 2001. Where Angle hit Rock with everything in his arsensal and looked like he was about to Twist off his leg at the last few minutes.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

C'mon guys.Edge doesn't treat his opponents like dirt, as you believe he does. And what is Edge suppose to do? Tremble and cower in fear when faced against his opponents? Everyone always says they are going to win, heels and faces.

Well, the neo-classic example of this is the HHH/Cactus Jack original confrontation, which Mick Foley notes in his book. I'm paraphrasing, but Mick said that HHH sold Cactus Jack as a real threat instead of just a guy in a worn-out flannel. Now granted, nobody can do that everytime, but just give a few devils their due and it'd help a lot.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

C'mon guys.Edge doesn't treat his opponents like dirt, as you believe he does. And what is Edge suppose to do? Tremble and cower in fear when faced against his opponents? Everyone always says they are going to win, heels and faces.

Point: The Angle win was supposed to be the "big win" that sent Edge to the top. But throughout that feud, Angle was portrayed to be somewhat below Edge's level. If Angle (or anyone for that matter) was a fatfuck heel who belittled Edge, sneak attacked him, got the advantage every show and had a clear advantage going into the PPV, and then Edge won CLEANLY, Edge would be a megastar. As it stands, Angle was portrayed as someone that Edge fought because he had nothing better to do. Edge dominated the feud, belittled Angle, humiliated him, beat him clean twice, and then went on to say there was no doubt (The week after the cage match) and that he basically beat him with one arm. That makes you a SHITTY ASS sympathetic babyface, which means you can't really be a main event babyface unless you bring something special to the table, like people have over the years. Edge, quite frankly, just doesn't.

I don't often agree with AS on things, but he is right on this. Edge should have made it a big deal that he was going up against a former 3-time World Champion and someone who is considered a level above him, so that when he beat him at JD it could have been a great accomplishment. But instead Angle was dragged down a notch so it just seemed like Just Another Victory for Edge. It's a shame because someone MAJORLY screwed up there.

 

I don't see why faces ALWAYS have to come out on top week in and week out. Hell, that's why I wasn't a fan of face Angle from last year - you know he's going to get the better of whomever he's up against, so where's the uncertainty? Where's the unexpectedness? It wasn't there.

[Guest Redhawk]

Use the Rock-Booker feud as an example. Rock could have completely dominated that feud (well, he almost did) verbally and physically. And, true, Rock did always come out on top when it came to promos. But I remember quite a few shows where the final shot we saw was Rock on the ground, having been laid out by Booker. And not only that, by Booker's finishing move. That's all Edge needs to do. Don't hide and cower, and you can even come out on top during mic time. But at least let the guy kick your ass once or twice.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

The only time I recall Edge being laid out by Angle was the Smackdown just before Judgment Day, and because of that, with WWE Booking 101 coming into play, they might as well have shown a big neon sign saying "ANGLE IS LOSING AT THE PPV" at the end of the show.

[Guest Anglesault]

In fact, the only time that the "Guys who goes over at the last show loses the PPV" format HASN'T happened recently is summerslam. (Jericho/Flair, HHH/HBK, Edge/Eddy)