Eddy/Edge

[Guest Anglesault]

For something like five straight weeks (Since the beginning of the feud) Edge has gotten the upper hand over Eddy EVERY SHOW, including no selling his offense and beating him at the PPV. Eddy has yet to end a show standing tall over Edge. Do you think he will? Or is Edge just to "precious" to look bad ONE time? Will Eddy recover from this?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

He'd Eddy F'n Guerrero, of course he'll recover. Having said that, the WWE obviously doesn't see any point in pushing Eddy, Edge's pops are getting bigger by the show and he's apparently out-popping guys on both the Raw and Smackdown rosters at house shows.

 

Of course, Edge hasn't gotten a title shot yet, or been involved in a title feud, so I still say that the the WWE is cautious about how much they push him.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Seeing as Edge is so bad a face, he MIGHT lose his heat if he ever loses.

 

That being said, I hope he starts losing

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

He'd Eddy F'n Guerrero, of course he'll recover. Having said that, the WWE obviously doesn't see any point in pushing Eddy, Edge's pops are getting bigger by the show and he's apparently out-popping guys on both the Raw and Smackdown rosters at house shows.

 

Of course, Edge hasn't gotten a title shot yet, or been involved in a title feud, so I still say that the the WWE is cautious about how much they push him.

See the thing is, they pop for Rob Zombie, and not Edge.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Uh.....was I the only one who heard the pop that Edge got when Cena gave him the hot tag in the match last night? If you don't like him, fine, but dont ignore the fact that he's probably the #3 or 4 face in the whole company and getting more over by the show.

 

#1- Undertaker

#2- RVD

#3- Edge or Booker

#4- Edge or Booker

#5- Kane

 

God, that's a shitty list.......

[Guest art_vandelay]

Did you not see their re-match the week after Summerslam? You know, the one where Eddy defeated Edge?

 

God, this is a simple, formulaic heel vs. face feud. There is nothing abnormal about it other than the fact that one of its participants is extremely hated by a certain individual at this board. I can't believe so many of you eat up his shit.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Edge is not going to be taken seriously until he stops acting like a goof and putting peoples heads in other peoples asses.

 

Also, change his fuckin TitanTron! He is not Angry Edge anymore! He does not run through subways anymore! He doesn't scream anymore! This is not 1999!

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I dont eat up his shit

 

I fucking hate Edge. I have since 2001. I dont think he ever deserved anything resembling a push, I dont think hes even close to being able to put together a great match, and should not even come close to the main event until he either does something with that grotesque ugly ass hair and stops saying "dork," or anything to that effect because its more annoying than konnan yelling "olalay."

[Guest art_vandelay]

Whether Edge is "deserving" of his push is besides the point. I'm telling you that this claim:

 

Eddy has yet to end a show standing tall over Edge.

 

... is false.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Hey Art, that WTC Kaientai picture... whats the deal with that?

 

Unless I'm missing something, or that picture is over a year old, but its pretty fuckin insensitive

[Guest Brian]

"God, this is a simple, formulaic heel vs. face feud. There is nothing abnormal about it other than the fact that one of its participants is extremely hated by a certain individual at this board. I can't believe so many of you eat up his shit."

 

Booking 101 doesn't dictate the face get the upper hand. It's just the oppsite. The face gets little teases but the heel is left with the overwhelming feeling of being ahead until the blow-off.

[Guest Anglesault]

Did you not see their re-match the week after Summerslam?  You know, the one where Eddy defeated Edge?

Oh, you mean the show where Edge got his revenge twenty minutes later! Well, if you mean THAT one, than you are wrong!

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

It isn't Kaientei with the WTC, that pic is from a RAW magainze from over a year and a half ago...I have that one.

 

Also, RicFlairGlory, would you rather see Edge Main Eventing Smackdown, or Hogan and Taker? I like Edge, don't love him or think he's great, he's really overrated, but I'll pick him on my TV anyday before Test, Bradshaw, Island Boyz, Jeff Hardy and about a billion other guys in the WWE.

[Guest art_vandelay]

I have no f'ing idea. I just found it somewhere and I thought it was really neat. I also think changing the topic from what we were discussing before to a picture in somebody's sig sucks.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I was just thinking about this when the cheat-2-win-face was being put on Eddie - has Edge ever looked weak in the feud? Because I don't think so. It's not like there was weeks and weeks of Eddie tormenting Edge so that Edge would get so angry that he'd shove Eddies face into Chavos ass. Eddie hasn't looked particularly strong - two weeks straight of ass in his face- not to mention the fact that he lost against Edge at Summerslam.

 

So, by this, Eddie should beat Edge at Unforgiven, right? If they had any sense they would have Eddie dominate him as well because Eddie deserves it and Edge needs to be more sympathetic - he needs to grow - so that when they have a match at say - no mercy- his win will mean all that much more.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Oh Rudo....what a nutty idea. Edge going over Eddy?. We can't have that. God knows what would happen if the fans actually realized that Eddy was 10X more talented then Edge ever could be and he won a match clean over Edge. It would be mass pandemonium I tells ya!

[Guest art_vandelay]

Did you not see their re-match the week after Summerslam?  You know, the one where Eddy defeated Edge?

Oh, you mean the show where Edge got his revenge twenty minutes later! Well, if you mean THAT one, than you are wrong!

What do the fans remember most? A victory, or a rescue from a two on one attack? I wouldn't exactly call that "revenge."

 

Booking 101 doesn't dictate the face get the upper hand. It's just the oppsite. The face gets little teases but the heel is left with the overwhelming feeling of being ahead until the blow-off.

 

Well the definition of Booking 101 has certainly changed over the years hasn't it? How often do you see heels getting the upper hand in the WWE anymore? By their standards, the booking of the Edge vs. Eddy feud has been regular.

[Guest Anglesault]

Did you not see their re-match the week after Summerslam?  You know, the one where Eddy defeated Edge?

Oh, you mean the show where Edge got his revenge twenty minutes later! Well, if you mean THAT one, than you are wrong!

What do the fans remember most? A victory, or a rescue from a two on one attack? I wouldn't exactly call that "revenge."

He ended the show standing tall, and sent Eddy running. Why couldn't they just leave it off with the match? It's just STUPID to never let Eddy look good. He smacked him with a chair and hit him with his finisher, and Edge was fresh and able to send him running 20 minutes later?

[Guest creativename]

Holy sh*t, I never even noticed the WTC in that picture. Wow, that picture is pretty damn offensive--it says "evil" in giant letters and has the towers on fire while military helicopters are flying around (and almost look as if they're crashing into the buildings). Whoa.

 

Anyway, while Eddy did pin Edge once, Edge has completely made him look like a fool. The "formulaic" old-school feud usually works like this: the face goes over the heel in promos, the heel punks out the face by assaulting him sneakily and winning the build-up matches, then the face get revenge by winning the blowoff.

 

Of course that's a terrible way to book all the time, which is why the formula was actually never used too often, even back in the day.

 

But Edge is just too much. I really want to like Edge because he's a fellow Devils' fan, but his character is insufferable. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't go over his opponents, in every way that you possibly can (in promos, in matches, etc.) in all situations with only the rare exception. I loved SmackDown!, in fact the only thing about it that pissed me off was Edge embarassing the Guerreros yet again. My god I can't stand his character.

 

And of course this does beg the question if his pops would be as big, if he wasn't booked to look so strong all the time. But I don't actually resent his pops at all; if fans dig him, good for him. It's his being constantly uber-protected that I hate.

[Guest Brian]

Brock/Rock, HHH/HBK, Eddie/RVD, Undertaker/Hogan. The difference being that the heel does get some upperhand. Basically any feud that doesn't involve face HHH or Edge.

 

Still, at the end of the show the fans are more than likely to remember the last thing that happens rather than victories or defeats. Do you think they'll remember Edge/Chavo winning (they did win didn't they?) or Eddie's face in Chavo's ass?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

How can anybody forget Chavos sweet sweet man-ass?

 

Note to self: Stop reading DEAN's workrate reports for Smackdown.

[Guest Brian]

No. That's blasphemous Curry. Take it back!

[Guest art_vandelay]

Still, at the end of the show the fans are more than likely to remember the last thing that happens rather than victories or defeats. Do you think they'll remember Edge/Chavo winning (they did win didn't they?) or Eddie's face in Chavo's ass?

If it's something that you've never seen before, like Chavo giving Stinkface, of course you'll remember it over the match. But for something as uneventful and repetitive as Edge coming into the ring during a two on one attack and chasing the heels out of the ring, it doesn't compare. Eddy cheating to win during his match was definitely the stand-out moment between those two that night.

[Guest Anglesault]

Still, at the end of the show the fans are more than likely to remember the last thing that happens rather than victories or defeats. Do you think they'll remember Edge/Chavo winning (they did win didn't they?) or Eddie's face in Chavo's ass?

If it's something that you've never seen before, like Chavo giving Stinkface, of course you'll remember it over the match. But for something as uneventful and repetitive as Edge coming into the ring during a two on one attack and chasing the heels out of the ring, it doesn't compare. Eddy cheating to win during his match was definitely the stand-out moment between those two that night.

I'd say that Eddy and Chris running away from one previously wounded (Though non-selling) guy was the standout moment.

[Guest BaldFish]

How can anybody forget Chavos sweet sweet man-ass?

 

Note to self: Stop reading DEAN's workrate reports for Smackdown.

The only thing I don't get about Dean is his unmotivated hatred of Our Lord and Savior, Rob Van Dam.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

RVD isn't the lord and savior of a lot of people - DEAN is just one of them.

[Guest BaldFish]

RVD isn't the lord and savior of a lot of people - DEAN is just one of them.

INFIDEL!

[Guest Trivia247]

maybe the stigma of us EVIL Smart Marks preferance of Eddie Guerrero because God forbids me to say...HIS wrestling skill is Too much for the WWE. and They decided to Punish Eddy by making him Job and Look less like a Super J Cup 94 contestant and more like a RTC boob against Edge.

 

well yippy

[Guest Brian]

Well, I'm not incredibly fond of RVD and neither is APO.

 

Dean has a lot of motivations from the past plus the fact that he was willing to give RVD a chance at SummerSlam.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kind of like how I was willing to give cruisers a chance at KotR...