Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Read it here. "Among the patriotic lesson plans for 9-11 was one proposed by the National Council for Social Studies, which recommends a short story titled "My Name is Osama..." (Question from the actual lesson plan: "Why, do you think, did Osama's family leave Iraq?" Incorrect answer: Because his father wanted to go to flight school in America.) Since the horrific attack by practitioners of the "Religion of Peace," there have been a slew of hate crimes – committed by Muslims against Americans. Hesham Mohamed Hadayet murdered two and wounded many more at Los Angeles International Airport. Suleyman al-Faris, aka "John Walker Lindh," joined an attack in Afghanistan that left Michael Spann dead. Abdel Rahim, aka "Richard Reid," tried but failed to murder a plane-load of people on an American Airlines jet headed to Miami. The only backlash by actual Americans... consists of precisely one confirmed hate crime. Some nut in Arizona murdered a Sikh thinking he was a Muslim. Current hate crime tally: Muslims: 3,000 (and counting); White Guys: 1." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest danielisthor Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Read it here. "Among the patriotic lesson plans for 9-11 was one proposed by the National Council for Social Studies, which recommends a short story titled "My Name is Osama..." (Question from the actual lesson plan: "Why, do you think, did Osama's family leave Iraq?" Incorrect answer: Because his father wanted to go to flight school in America.) Since the horrific attack by practitioners of the "Religion of Peace," there have been a slew of hate crimes – committed by Muslims against Americans. Hesham Mohamed Hadayet murdered two and wounded many more at Los Angeles International Airport. Suleyman al-Faris, aka "John Walker Lindh," joined an attack in Afghanistan that left Michael Spann dead. Abdel Rahim, aka "Richard Reid," tried but failed to murder a plane-load of people on an American Airlines jet headed to Miami. The only backlash by actual Americans... consists of precisely one confirmed hate crime. Some nut in Arizona murdered a Sikh thinking he was a Muslim. Current hate crime tally: Muslims: 3,000 (and counting); White Guys: 1." like always, i thank thee for the link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Damn, I found a column with the words "Over 60 Conservative Columnists at your fingertips" interesting and unobjectionable. They say you get more right wing as you get older don't they... Just one question - what is the National Council for Social Studies? A governmental body? I'm guessing not... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest danielisthor Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Damn, I found a column with the words "Over 60 Conservative Columnists at your fingertips" interesting and unobjectionable. They say you get more right wing as you get older don't they... Just one question - what is the National Council for Social Studies? A governmental body? I'm guessing not... here's a link to their web page http://www.ncss.org/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 what is the National Council for Social Studies? A governmental body? I'm guessing not... Absolutely not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Just because somebody doesn't die doesn't mean its not a hate crime... By the way, what IS the National Council for Social Studies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 When someone dies, it's a tiny bit more serious than when someone doesn't. And when 3000 people die, it's a tiny bit more serious than some guy with a kaffiyeh being delayed 5 extra minutes at an airport. Kindly shut up and take your addlepated moral equivocation elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted September 16, 2002 But there have been hate crimes. Here in Nashville, several white guys broke into a downtown cafe run by Middle Easterners and assaulted the employees, including a young teenage girl, with clubs. This was a couple of weeks after 9/11, and they were allegedly yelling stuff about "go back where you came from" and "America's revenge". Nobody died, but that was more from luck than anything else. I'm sure it wasn't the only such incident, either. I wish Coulter hadn't blatantly stated that nothing of the kind has happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Yeah, I read about a similar incident in London as I was passing through on my way back. Still, the hatred is primarily one way. When Moslems are attacked, it's white guys who save them, it's white guys who arrest the criminals, and it's white guys who prosecute the criminals. There is no institutional sanction whatsoever of hatred and the sporadic, infrequent, statistically insignificant flares of violence aren't ideological in nature. Whereas the Moslem crimes Miss Coulter cites most certainly are. Therefore, her point is still valid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted September 16, 2002 If the violence is because the other person is a Muslim or looks like a Muslim, I think it's safe to call that "ideological in nature". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted September 16, 2002 I agree, I just wish she wouldn't categorically state "precisely one confirmed hate crime". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 If the violence is because the other person is a Muslim or looks like a Muslim, I think it's safe to call that "ideological in nature".Absolutely wrong. You should take a look at a dictionary sometime. Ideological crimes are based on dogma and systemic hatred, such as the Moslem hatred of all infidels, or the Nazi hatred of all Jews, or the KKK's hatred of all blacks. These hatreds are not caused by any one particular act and they characterise an entire group. All white people do not hate all Moslems; there is not even one significant group of white people that hates all Moslems, and there is no ideology that binds together people who do hate Moslems. When Moslems are persecuted because of the acts of terrorists who take their religion to an extreme, is it a hate crime? Yes. Is it bigoted? Yes. Is it stupid, offensive, and unjustified? Absolutely. Is it ideological - ie, does it stem from a) a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture, b) a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture, or c) the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical programme?* No. I agreeI hope you were agreeing with me rather than evenflowDDT. *Merriam-Webster definitions 2a-c Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Well, check the post times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 I did. But yours is below his, although you both posted at the same minute. I could easily have typed that one line in less than ten seconds, so I wasn't sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Point taken. I meant I agreed with you. If hate crimes were being committed and then covered up or ignored by the authorities, then it'd be idealogical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 16, 2002 Yep. Thanks for the clarification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted September 17, 2002 Is Ann just talking about incidents SINCE 9/11, or throughout time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 17, 2002 Why don't you read her column and find out yourself? Consistently relying on premasticated information will do nothing for your mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hardyz1 Report post Posted September 17, 2002 Consistently relying on premasticated information will do nothing for your mind. Premasticated...brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites