Why it is in RVD's best interest for HHH to win

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Word going around is that Hunter is pushing to drop the title to RVD so he can get everyone off of his back about favoritism. What he isn't telling them is that he believes, and correctly so, that the RAW title doesn't mean shit and isn't taken seriously at this point. HHH is also pushing for a HBK run in to cost him the match.

 

This does nothing for RVD and simply saddles him with a meaningless belt and no credible or over challengers while HHH goes on to continue working with HBK in the main events. RAW will tank even more with RVD as champ with no credible challengers and don't think HHH doesn't know this.

 

I knew he was smart but this is just GENIUS!! SO when the rating drops even more with RVD as champ, he can say that all along it was RVD being top face that killed RAW's ratings.

 

HE is that damn good! Fucking brilliant!! Now he just has to take care of Booker.

 

RVD would be better off with a near win with HHH finally edging out the win.

[Guest Anglesault]

No, you see, Hunter ranted about RVD never being main event quality, so RVD should beat him totally clean, by submission if possible.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Well if main event quality is being a steroid monster who lives on past glories then HHH can fuck off with Luger and Hogan to start a fed

[Guest JHawk]

No, you see, Hunter ranted about RVD never being main event quality, so RVD should beat him totally clean, by submission if possible.

In fact, it should be with the Shitty Sleeperhold of Suckitude.

 

I have mixed emotions about the match Sunday. The result won't matter if they book it right. Unfortunately, that's the WWE's problem...booking something right.

[Guest The Fallen Angel]

I predict HHH beating RVD with the INTENSE MAIN EVENT SLEEPERHOLD~!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I decided RVD was winning when I realized that no other top face could win on Sunday.

 

Flair and Taker are losing...and neither Benoit nor Angle is a face.

 

So RVD has to win.

 

He should win clean...but any win over HHH is a big win...since they just don't happen.

 

That said...it is a meaningless belt.

 

But if it happens...it will be the closest to giving the fans something they actually want...

 

and who knows...maybe it won't bomb (by that I mean...the ratings won't keep going down) and RVD will get serious consideration for one day holding the real title.

 

Beating HHH is NEVER a bad thing for a not quite main event guy...no matter the circumstances.

 

Pessimism aside...Good for HHH.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Unfortunately, it will hurt RVD. This is why. If he wins, it will surely involve an HBK run in of sorts, setting up HBK vs HHH next month. So at the October PPV, you have HHH vs HBK on top, Brock vs ? second from the top, and RVD vs ? 3rd from the top because they won't put HHH vs HBK third from the top. Anyway you look at it it makes RVD and his haliburton title look like shit. Plus HHH has being doing a lot of jobs this year so the more people beat him, the less it starts to mean(Angle, Hogan, Taker, and HBK all beat him on PPV this year). Plus D Von and Chris Jericho beat him in TV matches. That is a lot of jobs for a very tippety top guy to be doing. If they want the RAW title to mean something, HHH should hold it for a while. If they put it on RVD, he needs to hold it until Rumble.

[Guest Trivia247]

No, you see, Hunter ranted about RVD never being  main event quality, so RVD should beat him totally clean, by submission if possible.

In fact, it should be with the Shitty Sleeperhold of Suckitude.

 

I have mixed emotions about the match Sunday. The result won't matter if they book it right. Unfortunately, that's the WWE's problem...booking something right.

I say even worse... RVD should make him submit to..... The Hold that Made Hercules, Billy jack Haynes and the Warlord FAMOUS Yea thats right THE FULL NELSON!

 

What can be more Indignant than that? Even a Sleeperhold has some Merit over a Full Freaken Nelson.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Hell, I wouldn't mind if RVD becomes a tweener for a month or two if we get RVD vs HBK in a ladder match at No Mercy, followed up with a rematch at SSeries. As long as he wins it there and keeps it to WM for Raw vs SD Champion, all is good.

 

Of course, if my dream came true, Raw would turn into Nitro and No Mercy would become Starrcade (with WM moving to April), but that's just a far-off fantasyland pipe dream.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Y2DayDay, where did you get the info? It sounds logical but was it on the net, observer, etc.?

 

That is a major problem though....what exactly is RVD going to do if he does win? Raw's roster right now is the absolute shits, I can't think of any heels that have the slightest bit of credibility for RVD to face.

 

I do have an idea and I'm shocked no one has brought this up. RVD vs. Booker in a title feud. Does anyone else think that RVD has shown some echoes of heel tendencies in the past month or two? The way he and Bischoff get along so well (I'm assuming Bisch is a heel?), the haughty comments he made to HHH about being so awesome and loved by the fans (this seemed like his old Mr. Monday Night persona in ECW and also the Rock's Nation promos).....all of it tells me that RVD might well turn heel soon.

 

That said, if RVD does turn please send him to SMDN. Heyman is the only one who could possibly book it properly.

 

In regards to the finish at the PPV, I think that we could have a Bret/Piper finish here: HHH uses the sleeper, RVD goes into the ropes and flips back for the win. Even if that's not the finish it will likely be a spot in the match.

 

It is a sad irony really. I've been waiting for roughly 4 years for RVD to win a world title, and now that it seems like he can do it, it's not even for a serious world title.

 

In terms of ratings, hell I dunno how RVD holding the belt could drive it down any further. Besides, I fail to see how RVD would be better off if he jobbed on Sunday....if he did that he'd be jobbed out of the IC title and the world title in the same week and would be in Jericho upper midcard hell.

[Guest Brian]

I really can't see Jericho up there unless he's a face. They need to pull the trigger on Booker. Flair, no.

 

Looking at the way things are headed, Jericho and Flair might pull a double-turn and maybe Jericho winning the title is where they are headed.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

In regards to the finish at the PPV, I think that we could have a Bret/Piper finish here: HHH uses the sleeper, RVD goes into the ropes and flips back for the win.

 

The sleeper finish is gonna be involved in some way I think. Maybe the finish you suggested or maybe something else. It seems pointless to start doing the sleeper otherwise. At least if HHH puts RVD to sleep he doesn't pin him, right?

 

On Jericho: he could easily be the best and most over heel in the company, but he isn't. The reason? because his character changed. Look at Jericho as a heel in WCW, he was as over as anyone pretty much. In the WWE his character is different, his promo style is different, all the great little things he used to do (Silly walk, crazy hair, arrogant cover etc.) have disapeared. So, maybe they should turn him face, but they really dropped the ball with him as a heel, IMO.

[Guest humongous2002]

Actually RVD winning the belt from Cripple H, give the world championship some credibility since he actually had to beat someone to become champ and you rarely see Crips laying down for anybody, but for this to work out it has to definitely be a clean pin, no screw jobs, no interferences, no sports entertainment finishes, a simple clean pin, 5 star frog splash,1..2...3..your new World heavyweight champion RVD.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I want to see RVD win the World Title actually. I'm also hoping it's a clean finish, with no HBK run-in at all. If the WWE wanted, they could have RVD win the World Title at Unforgiven, and have him defend the title against HHH in a rematch at No Mercy, where HBK could run down and cost HHH the World Title. Then, that sets up for HHH vs. HBK at the Survivor Series, with maybe some sort of stipulation added.

[Guest tetsubeav]

Honestly, what *would* be cool is if RVD wins for him to go after Brock somehow. Maybe he comes out Monday and says "I want Lesnar because I want a *real* title, not the Mr. Muscle Fitness ego title." Then they go on to reunite the titles.

 

And, of course, that'll never happen.... :-(

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Eh, I still think Van Dam winning this month is fucking stupid if they want to actually make some money on this match. Have Trips cheat like nuts, a la Flair back in his golden days, to win and then have Rob go over next month.

[Guest Brian]

Of course it is...but how long can you expect Michaels to stay out of the spotlight?

[Guest cabbageboy]

That idea about RVD winning here and then Michaels running in at the next PPV has some merit to it, but it would mean HHH having to job at like 3 straight PPVs and I doubt he'd do it. Quite honestly it's not even smart to job him THAT much...HHH doesn't have the Rock's teflon effect when it comes to jobbing. Rock can job and still be over, HHH cannot. Since April he has jobbed to Hogan, UT, Michaels, and had a few TV losses.

 

HHH is smart to want to job to RVD though. It would get people off his back and also finally get RVD over the hump.

 

That's an interesting point about RVD just throwing down the title and challenging Brock. It could work except Brock is on the other show. However, RVD could taunt him week after week about being afraid to face him again, so it could be interesting (shades of Austin/Bret?).