Guest mach7 Report post Posted September 18, 2002 I don't get NWA/TNA, but I've read all over that Don Harris wore some sort of symbol on his ring attire that the Jarrett's had to apologize for because of it's connotations with Nazism. Now, Jerry Jarrett has gone on record to state that he didn't know of the symbol's alleged connotations with the Nazi's... so it couldn't have been a swastika, everyone knows that the Nazi's adopted that symbol & reversed it for their own deviant use. So, I'm curious.. what was the symbol? An "88", an "SS" ??? Anyone?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crandamaniac Report post Posted September 18, 2002 If I remember correctly, the symbol was SS. It's German. The full name escapes me, but I believe it was Hitler's police force during WWII. The 88 thing was because Target sold jerseys with 88 on it, and apparently it stands for "Heil Hitler" (H is the 8th letter, 2 H's meaning that). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 20, 2002 Oh you have to be joking about that 88 thing. People actually used that as an argument? I mean god damn it's a number. People are always so damn sensitive. So what that he was wearing a shirt with SS on it. They make it out to sound like he was wearing an I heart Hitler or Kill the Jews shirt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted September 20, 2002 To be fair, Satanico, it wasn't just the two letters "SS." It was the Nazi secret police (or some other agency, as I can't be bothered to google for the specific meaning) logo, two Ss written in lightning-bolt form. The logo HAS no other meaning. It's important to draw a distinction between use of the lightning bolt-SS logo and use of the number 88. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted September 20, 2002 To be fair, Satanico, it wasn't just the two letters "SS." It was the Nazi secret police (or some other agency, as I can't be bothered to google for the specific meaning) logo, two Ss written in lightning-bolt form. The logo HAS no other meaning. It's important to draw a distinction between use of the lightning bolt-SS logo and use of the number 88. Maybe he likes KISS and he couldn't afford to buy the whole shirt, so all he got was the "SS" (in lightning bolt form)... j/k... okay, that was bad. ;p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crandamaniac Report post Posted September 20, 2002 Oh you have to be joking about that 88 thing. People actually used that as an argument? I mean god damn it's a number. Keep in mind, people can be offended by just about damn near anything, and make up a reason, no matter how flimsy it is, to justify it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted September 21, 2002 SS stands for Schutzstaffel, which is German for Protection relay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2002 The 88 thing was because Target sold jerseys with 88 on it, and apparently it stands for "Heil Hitler" (H is the 8th letter, 2 H's meaning that). That's just as bad as the people who say that the band 3'11 means KKK cause the 11th letter of the alphabet is K and 3 K's is KKK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted September 23, 2002 People, the SS is a symbol of Nazi Germany. Thats blatantly offensive to people. That's just stupid of Harris to do that and of NWA not to catch it in time. Don't be apologists for him. Niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest subliminal_animal Report post Posted September 23, 2002 Was it Don? I heard it was Ron. Which one is teaming with Brian Lee again? Anyway what I really wanted to ask was is Don/Ron a neo-Nazi? Or did he not know what the shirt meant either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gangsteruwa Report post Posted September 23, 2002 Well, he has a tatoo of the symbol also. I hope that someone that has a tatoo knows what the tatoo means. Therefore I am assuming he is or was a neo-nazi at one point in time. However I have seen a bunch of bikers with swastikas and ss symbols and they are hispanic and black guys so go figure. So it could have something to do with his biker background. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted September 24, 2002 Well, he has a tatoo of the symbol also. I hope that someone that has a tatoo knows what the tatoo means. Therefore I am assuming he is or was a neo-nazi at one point in time. However I have seen a bunch of bikers with swastikas and ss symbols and they are hispanic and black guys so go figure. So it could have something to do with his biker background. Well, a swastika isn't necessarily meant to be taken as a hateful symbol. It was originally a [indian, I think... don't quote me on that, though] symbol of peace, hope, etc. but Hitler flipped it around and changed all that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted September 24, 2002 I've had this discussion a couple of times. Don't get me wrong... I have no personal stake in hating neo-Nazis. I'm not Jewish, I've never been attacked by neo-Nazis... in fact, I'm a light-skinned, blue-eyed guy with light brown hair. By all right, I could be their candidate for President. Well, except for that whole urinating-on-their-ideology bit, anyways. The point I'm getting to is that the use of the swastika is entirely context-dependent. The Schutzstaffel logo is less so, but I guess a case could be made for it being dependent on context too... the Kiss logo and so on... Anyways, when I see a swastika, be it a bare-ass swastika or one in a circle like the Third Reich logo, it seems pretty evident why it's there. It's especially clear if there's a Schutzstaffel SS sign near it. The Sanskrit (I believe... you all get the point, anyway) swastika is generally part of a colourful logo and usually doesn't look at all like the Nazi swastika. In this case, I think it's pretty evident what Harris's ideology agrees with, and that's a shame... but to argue anything else just doesn't make any sense to me. Bikers, even anti-racist bikers, who use Nazi imagery shouldn't expect to be looked at as tolerant or generally good people. No hate on bikers here, just the ones that think it's cool to use swastikas and Schutzstaffel logos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2002 On a really obscure side note.....did you know that the 3rd level of the original legend of zelda is shaped like a swastika? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 On a really obscure side note.....did you know that the 3rd level of the original legend of zelda is shaped like a swastika? Yeah, I noticed that.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 A swastica is a hateful symbol that expresses support for the Nazi agenda and the mass murder of innocent Jews. I don't care what it used to be, since the 1930s it's meant something totally different, and whoever wears one is associating themselves with direct evil. No, mistakes or matter of interpretation about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted September 27, 2002 It's kind of like gay used to mean happy. But now if you say someone's gay, it has an entirely different meaning to other people, no matter what it used to mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted September 28, 2002 A swastica is a hateful symbol that expresses support for the Nazi agenda and the mass murder of innocent Jews. I don't care what it used to be, since the 1930s it's meant something totally different, and whoever wears one is associating themselves with direct evil. No, mistakes or matter of interpretation about it. I have a Shelter CD that is decorated with Swastikas, but I really doubt that they did it to anger Jews or celebrate Nazism. They're a Hare Krishna band that believes that the symbol was stolen by the Nazis, so don't want to have to abandon a symbol that has existed within their beliefs for generations just because some idiots in Germany bastardized it. What if a modern day dictator used the traditional Cross (or a Star of David, or whatever else) in their evil? Would Jews have to abandon their Star, or Christians their Cross? Of course, this has nothing to do with the SS symbol that Harris wore, but that's a different story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted October 1, 2002 A swastica is a hateful symbol that expresses support for the Nazi agenda and the mass murder of innocent Jews. I don't care what it used to be, since the 1930s it's meant something totally different, and whoever wears one is associating themselves with direct evil. No, mistakes or matter of interpretation about it. Don't be so close-minded... --- "The swastika represents, among many other things, the eternal movement and spiritual renewal. The counterclockwise swastika adopted by the Nazis is regarded as symbolizing movement "away from the Godhead," and has become a contemporary motif of evil, while the clockwise swastika represents movement towards God and suggests a cosmic rhythm in tune with the Universe." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted October 2, 2002 A swastica is a hateful symbol that expresses support for the Nazi agenda and the mass murder of innocent Jews. I don't care what it used to be, since the 1930s it's meant something totally different, and whoever wears one is associating themselves with direct evil. No, mistakes or matter of interpretation about it. Don't be so close-minded... --- "The swastika represents, among many other things, the eternal movement and spiritual renewal. The counterclockwise swastika adopted by the Nazis is regarded as symbolizing movement "away from the Godhead," and has become a contemporary motif of evil, while the clockwise swastika represents movement towards God and suggests a cosmic rhythm in tune with the Universe." Why don't you tell any Jew, especially those who survived the horrors of the Holocaust or have loved ones that perished that they should be more open minded... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted October 2, 2002 A swastica is a hateful symbol that expresses support for the Nazi agenda and the mass murder of innocent Jews. I don't care what it used to be, since the 1930s it's meant something totally different, and whoever wears one is associating themselves with direct evil. No, mistakes or matter of interpretation about it. Don't be so close-minded... --- "The swastika represents, among many other things, the eternal movement and spiritual renewal. The counterclockwise swastika adopted by the Nazis is regarded as symbolizing movement "away from the Godhead," and has become a contemporary motif of evil, while the clockwise swastika represents movement towards God and suggests a cosmic rhythm in tune with the Universe." I'd like to tell you my grandma, a Holocaust survivor, your thoughts on the swastika. The swastika symbol is a symbol of pure evil and it makes me sick to my stomach seeing anyone wear it. The Nazis killed a lot of my family and I don't care what it used to mean, it is the symbol for everything evil. Don Harris should be fired by NWATNA and never be brought back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted October 2, 2002 Slapnuts00Why don't you tell any Jew, especially those who survived the horrors of the Holocaust or have loved ones that perished that they should be more open minded... Bob BarronI'd like to tell you my grandma, a Holocaust survivor, your thoughts on the swastika. The swastika symbol is a symbol of pure evil and it makes me sick to my stomach seeing anyone wear it. The Nazis killed a lot of my family and I don't care what it used to mean, it is the symbol for everything evil. Don Harris should be fired by NWATNA and never be brought back. Slapnuts: My family is Jewish. Bob Barron: See above. If Harris is a hate-monger and wears that symbol with hateful intentions, then I agree that he should be punished. Besides, if you people weren't so quick to judge & reply then you'd have seen that the whole POINT of my post was to illustrate the DIFFERENCE between a CLOCKWISE and COUNTER-CLOCKWISE Swastika. Do you know how to read? Can you comprehend that something might just have a different meaning than what you thought? Or are you as closed-minded and ignorant as those Nazi pieces of trash? It's not about what it "used to mean." And, please don't even try to tell me there isn't a difference - I have done serveral projects throughout high school and university, as well as many essays and studies dealing with most, if not all, of these subjects. I'm sorry as coming off as harsh, but I'm just stating facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted October 2, 2002 Well, you go ahead and condone swastikas as long as their inverted. Go wear one into synegogue in fact and tell them it means peace. See how well that works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted October 2, 2002 Well, you go ahead and condone swastikas as long as their inverted. Go wear one into synegogue in fact and tell them it means peace. See how well that works. This thread has degenerated into something it wasn't supposed to be and I hope that it is locked from further posts soon enough. I'm through trying to explain something when you obviously have no interest in listening. I just find it amusing how a holocaust survivor like my grandfather can accept this fact, yet you.. can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted October 2, 2002 Just to clarify I don't deny that before WWII the swastika meant something different. But since then it has been forever associated with pure evil and was used as the symbol for hate and atrocities. It doesn't matter what it used to mean, it will forever be linked to Nazi Germany no special peaceful meanings about it. Whatever peaceful connotations it had are gone and will never return. What upset me is you trying to defend the symbol as harmless, since it used to be, as long as you have an open mind when it means such horror to the vast majority of the world. I really don't feel like arguing about this anymore either. You need to realize the impact of certain things, and this is one that can't be viewed in any other way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted October 3, 2002 As i have said before, for TNA to allow a no talent slug to wear something that would offend people is ridiculous. And to wear a symbol that people associate with something evil and to defend it by saying it could be taken other ways is ridiculous. There is no pressing need to wear a swatiska that would require educating people that it has other connotations other than a nazi one. Idiots. Niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
