DrainYou42

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

So yeah...I rarely post here, as I try to avoid petty online "feuds". However, this HAS to be said, and I think it may border on flamming, so I figured I'd be better off to keep it out of the music folder...

 

That said, DrainYou42's signature caught my eye. It has a picture of Nirvana, and beneath it, the text "Pissing on Metal's grave since 1987".

 

Let's take a quick rundown...Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Slayer, Metallica, Pantera, Judas Priest, and a slew of other 80's metal bands - Alive and well. Ok, maybe not "well" in all cases, but Maiden still owns your balls.

 

As a matter of fact, metal music is seeing new life, at least in some form, with this "Nu-Metal" trend. Whether that's a good or bad thing, I won't speak. My point is this:

 

Kurt Cobain, Nirvana, and the entire grundge trend in general - FUCKING DEAD.

 

No wait...They're DED. Because they're so DED, there's no time for the A.

 

Thank you for your time.

[Guest Kinetic]

Hey, now. Silverchair released an album just this month! Stone Temple Pilots are still around. Pearl Jam has an album coming out shortly. Dave Grohl continues to release that sweet adult contemporary Foo Fighters stuff. Grunge is alive and well, buddy. Just because trendy kids nationwide aren't wearing flannel shirts doesn't mean that the sludgy sounds of Northwestern angst have ceased to be.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Bah.

 

Bottom line is, this whole "Pissing on grave" nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Let's see.

 

Metallica - pissing on their legacy by collaborating with the most obnoxious rapper alive. Pissed of core fanbase with Load and ReLoad.

 

Megadeth - Broken up. Countless rehab trips for Mr. Mustaine. Yeah, he's just fine.

 

Anthrax - Did nothing in the 90s. Well, Scott Ian hosted Rock Show for 5 minutes. Considered changing their names after terrorist threat late last year. That's great.

 

Iron Maiden - Nothing bad to say here.

 

Priest - I like Halford, better. Sue me.

 

Ozzy - Reduced to being comic relief, these days. Sharon's bitch.

 

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Your Metal bands are hardly better off than the "Grunge" bands (considering there were 4 or 5 Major bands to be associated with the term). Sure Nu-Metal is breathing new life into it (metal), but "Grunge" was just an extension of Punk. Like NuMetal, not really a stand alone genre.

 

For the record I can't stand Metalheads, but at times can absolutely adore Heavy Metal as a genre itself. The same applies to Punk.

 

That's it. It's late. Now I feel like going to the antiMUSIC board and pissing off some metalheads.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Hey, now. Silverchair released an album just this month! Stone Temple Pilots are still around. Pearl Jam has an album coming out shortly. Dave Grohl continues to release that sweet adult contemporary Foo Fighters stuff.

Yeah, but they all suck ass, just like Metallica.

[Guest DrainYou42]

First off, I'm not changing the sig, Second, i can't stand most metal music, Metallica's first 3 albums were good, and so was some of the other stuff from the early 80's, but it's dead in my opinon, it's just aggression, and it has become as safe and as commerically accectable as it can possibly be. This Nu-Metal shit is just horrible to. If it wasn't for the Grunge/Alternative bands, people would still be listening to Poision, Warrant, and Winger.

 

Somone once said NIRVANA were the 'death nail" for old school heavy metal, which was a god send, unless you enjoyed watching the same four or five guys sing about "Girls,Girls,Girls"

 

Sorry to ramble, I think I'm done now, yeah, I'm done.

[Guest Incandenza]

People talk about how great Nirvana was for music, but they weren't. Those who argue otherwise will point out all the indie bands they helped expose to the mainstream, but honestly, how many of those bands truly flourished because of the Nirvana endorsement? Cobain-approved acts like Melvins and Mudhoney may've scored major label deals, but since their record sales approached nowhere near Nirvana's levels, they were eventually dropped and went back to indie land.

 

How 'bout other "grunge" acts that did do well during Nirvana's time. Here's a list:

 

Pearl Jam: Would've done well without Nirvana. If "Smells Like Teen Spirit" had never been released, "Jeremy" would've been the first major hit of the Seattle-era. Neither band helped the other in any way.

 

Soundgarden: Was already receiving attention in '91 thanks to the controversial video for "Jesus Christ Pose" and the more MTV-friendly "Outshined." Their mainstream attention would've happened without Nirvana.

 

Alice in Chains: Relegated to late night showings and Headbangers' Ball in 1990 upon the release of their first album, Facelift, the band was all over MTV upon the release of Dirt in the post "Teen Spirit" year of 1992. One could argue that Dirt would not have been the success it was pre-Nirvana, but it would be mere conjecture.

 

Okay, so who really benefitted from Nirvana's existence, and why should music fans everywhere wear a black armband every April 5th? Easy! Were it not for them, Silverchair and Bush would've never existed. Clearly, we should all be grateful.

 

In all seriousness, I don't think Nirvana was a bad band, but all those people who act like they were the greatest thing to happen to rock boggles my mind.

[Guest DrTom]

People talk about how great Nirvana was for music, but they weren't.

That's an opinion, and it's one I happen to disagree with. Nirvana were very important to music when they burst onto the scene in 1991. Other Seattle bands may have been better (Soundgarden), or more able to deal with being the poster children for the latest musical trend (Pearl Jam), but Nirvana was the band that got the attention, got the airplay, and got the videos. Bands like Poison and Warrant played their own part in ending the era of "hair metal," but Nirvana came along and drove the final nail into that coffin with a 50-pound maul. Whether they were the best band to usher in the "Seattle sound" is certainly debateable, but they were the ones who did it, and they've rightly gotten the credit for it. People have forgotten, in the eight years since his death, what a good and relevant songwriter Cobain was.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

O...k...

 

I never mentioned Ozzy or Megadeth, because I know better then that. Besides, I rarely listen to either band.

 

I also wouldn't consider 5-6 albums by Anthrax through the 90's (Depending on whether or not you count a "Best Of" CD) to be nothing. And for the record, they didn't consider changing their name. They said flat-out they weren't going to.

 

As for Metallica, I said that not all the bands were doing "well".

 

Drain, I'm not asking you to change the sig - it just kinda annoyed me when I first saw it, and I needed to vent; That's all. And to be fair, I wouldn't call hair metal "Old school heavy metal", but that's neither here nor there.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

First off, I'm not changing the sig, Second, i can't stand most metal music, Metallica's first 3 albums were good, and so was some of the other stuff from the early 80's, but it's dead in my opinon, it's just aggression, and it has become as safe and as commerically accectable as it can possibly be. This Nu-Metal shit is just horrible to. If it wasn't for the Grunge/Alternative bands, people would still be listening to Poision, Warrant, and Winger.

 

Somone once said NIRVANA were the 'death nail" for old school heavy metal, which was a god send, unless you enjoyed watching the same four or five guys sing about "Girls,Girls,Girls"

 

Sorry to ramble, I think I'm done now, yeah, I'm done.

Bah. There's nothing wrong with alot of Nu Metal bands, some suck but then alot of grunge bands sucked dick too.

 

There's nothing wrong with Metal at all, especially the old stuff. Nirvana wasn't the "death nail" for old school Metal because last I checked it was still very popular, at least in comparison to Grunge.

 

And what Was wrong with guys singing "Girls, Girls,Girls"? I like that song.

 

Nirvana is (obviously) one of my favourite bands but they aren't the be all and end all of music.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

well, all i can add to any argument about nirvana is that i think they were ok and soundgarden were twice the band. There.

[Guest redbaron51]

Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains...grunge?

 

um how?

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains...grunge?

 

um how?

Eddie Vedder wore a flannel.

 

*gasps and runs away*

[Guest Incandenza]

Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains...grunge?

 

um how?

Since the media lumped them all in one category (due to their being from Seattle and all), so did I. I'm not happy with it, but you work with what you're given.

 

And Dr. Tom, it wasn't my intent to deny Nirvana's importance in musical history--though rereading my earlier post makes it out that way--but to illustrate that as much as an impact they made when they burst onto the scene years ago, it has meant little in the long run.

[Guest fk teale]

Somone once said NIRVANA were the 'death nail" for old school heavy metal

How PUNK ROCK of them not to go with the more conventionally accepted "death knell." But in any case:

 

In Flames: alive and well

Dark Tranquillity: alive and well

At The Gates: uh, two out of three ain't bad?

 

Metal didn't die, it just moved to Scandinavia.

[Guest Kinetic]

I'd say the biggest long-term impact Nirvana had on mainstream rock music was the dreariness of it all. Prior to them, there were always hit rock songs about girls and partying. That's just how it was. That's something mainstream rock has yet to regain, as it's still all about being depressed and misunderstood.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Nirvana is the most overrated band of all time...

 

If Eddie Vedder had blown his head off instead of Kurt this topic would be about Pearl Jam.

 

Grunge is dead...and metal sucks these days...

 

So in the end, who cares?

[Guest mesepher]

you have to remember that Nirvana was the biggest band in the world BEFORE Kurt killed himself... so. your therory is out the window.

[Guest redbaron51]

Nirvana is the most overrated band of all time...

 

If Eddie Vedder had blown his head off instead of Kurt this topic would be about Pearl Jam.

 

Grunge is dead...and metal sucks these days...

 

So in the end, who cares?

and emo is just another form of grunge music which will fade away in a few years, and no one will give a damn

[Guest Youth N Asia]

you have to remember that Nirvana was the biggest band in the world BEFORE Kurt killed himself... so. your therory is out the window.

That itself is up for debate...but after the asshole blew his head off the very next year MTV pushed "Smells like Teen Spirt" to the #1 spot for their greatest video of all time list...had Kurt not have killed himself that wouldn't have been the case.

 

And I like Nirvana...Nevermind was great...everything else was ok...I just don't think they deserve the praise they get

 

and emo is just another form of grunge music which will fade away in a few years, and no one will give a damn

Probably...but that's not what's being debated right now. No reason to attack emo, no one even brought it up till now.

[Guest mesepher]

wow... a lot of the grunge bands had this thing called Talent... and they all sounded completely different. Can you say that for the emo groups?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Your problem is that you're watching MTV and listening to the radio, not that one form of music is better than another or that one genre spelled the "demise" of the other..

 

As far as dreariness and depression, early Sabbath does that better than almost anyone.

 

and hair metal is NOT metal. Please don't make that misconception. "Hair Metal" along with "Nu Metal" are both mutated childeren of Pop. It's essentially the same fucking genre of music, just with different hairdos and T-shirts.

 

Take hair bands, subtract guitar solos and spandex, add black t-shirts and 7-string guitars, and you've got nu metal. It's the exact same garbage. It sucked then, it sucks now. Then grunge came out and died when people quit buying the hype. Look at this neo-garage, Kinks-esque crap coming out; they'll all fall off that bandwagon and die soon enough.

 

DY42, you're absolutely correct about aggression and "metal" now being safe and mass marketed to make money, and it's thankfully becoming a victim of its own hype, as it's all getting watered down and forgotten..

Just like the British Invasion....

Just like Punk...

Just like New Wave...

Just like Hair Metal...

and Just like Grunge...

 

The important lesson here. Quit falling for the hype. Ignore pop music and it will go away.

[Guest Prince Paul]

Nirvana is the most overrated band of all time...

 

If Eddie Vedder had blown his head off instead of Kurt this topic would be about Pearl Jam.

 

Grunge is dead...and metal sucks these days...

 

So in the end, who cares?

Overrated? I'd almost say they're underrated.

 

Let's not even compare Pearl Jam with Nirvana. Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam for that fact are mere shells of their former selves. Maybe Kurt and Nirvana would have burned out as well. But, Kurt blew his head off and now Nirvana is a legacy. I'm not condoning what he did, but they have a fucking legacy now, so just deal with it.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

People have forgotten, in the eight years since his death, what a good and relevant songwriter Cobain was.

 

Teen Spirit is a classic song, but what was the goodness and relevance of those lyrics?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Yeah, I don't get the significance of "A mosquito, Jalopeno"

 

That song's a bad example, though.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I thought it was "a mosquito, my libido."

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Kurt Cobain, Nirvana, and the entire grundge trend in general - FUCKING DEAD.

 

No wait...They're DED. Because they're so DED, there's no time for the A.

I don't get it. Is this some obscure metal reference?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

maybe it is libido, I've never bothered to look. Either way, it doesn't fuckin' mean anything.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Eevenflow - No, it's not an obscure metal reference. It's actually just something that me and my friends say when discussing ded things. Don't ask why.

 

And I honestly don't know how anyone could even consider the fact that Nirvana may be "under-rated".

 

They're seen as fucking LEGENDS these days, for some bizarre reason, and your brain can even COMPREHEND the idea that they're under-rated?

 

Bah.

[Guest Incandenza]

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would call them underrated, as well.