Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 22, 2002 It's fairly obivous that the WWF needs to build stars for the future. It's also obvious that Kurt Angle and RVD are the most over heel and face, respectively, so logic states that they would get the push. Unfortuantely, Vince wants Brock Lesnar and Edge to have those spots. He has been fucking with Angle and Rob all year, doing absolutely nothing with Rob and sending Angle through 3 or 4 completely worthless feuds. Now Angle is shoved into what is sure to be a heatless heel/heel match and feud, while RVD is being led like a lamb to the slaughter to HHH. Meanwhile, Edge and Brock are sure to have big wins. So, do you think Vince has finally fucked Van Dam and Angle over, or will they escape with their heat again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted September 22, 2002 If HHH pulls a Jericho on RVD then I think RVD will be hurt beyond repair. He will have seriously hurt his in ring credability and he has decent promo skills but not to the point he could salvage a character IMO. Angle for now I think he is fine and can still recover. This match will be forgotten by SD. As long as he is in forgettable feuds he can recover. Rvd on the other hand having HHH do his usual thing will not be forgotten. He will bring it up and remind the fans every chance he gets like that promo where jericho interupted him a few weeks ago just so HHH could say "Remember when I beat you at WM" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 I thinlk their going for a total direction change with Angle, and Brock for that matter too. They've emphasized Brock's mat ability the last few week when building for the face off with Taker. They've had the amateur guys at ringside, and on Confidential they supposedly had Angle visiting his old Olympic training grounds. With this sunday we'll almost surely get a lot of mat work in the Benoit match, and they may be using that to (re) test the WWE crowd towards that style. They've also tried Brock using alot slower holds (the prolonged bearhug sequence) and alot more grounding of his opponents. With Benjamin still not up, they could be switching things around and start building towards Angle/Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted September 22, 2002 I actually think RVD jobbing to HHH won't hurt him nearly as bad as Jericho. First off, I think RVD is going to eventually win the title from HHH...just not sure of the PPV. To be honest I am not sure where this whole "Edge will be the top face" conspiracy comes from. Tonight he is facing Eddie Guerrero in a nothing undercard match. I don't think anyone considers Edge a serious candidate for top face. RVD has beaten way more people than Edge has, and I'd say Heyman looks after him in the booking meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted September 22, 2002 RVD has beaten way more people than Edge has, and I'd say Heyman looks after him in the booking meetings. Heyman is on Smackdown!. As for RVD, I'm not sure. If Triple H beats Rob with the Main Even Sleeperhold of Death, I think it will hurt Rob. If Rob loses due to HBK interference, it won't be to bad. However, if RVD WINS tonight, he'll be hurt even more. The ratings are going down, so he'll be blamed. Plus his big title win moment is destroyed by winning this meaningless title. Edge will get a victory tonight. No surprises there. Same with Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Heyman doesn't book RAW but I'm sure he somhow finds a way to protect him. I'd be surprised if RVD's that hurt. His offense is way to fun for the audience and unless some guys are let loose he's never going to be overshadowed. Jericho had his mic work but when he hit lulls (personal?), he lost it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 22, 2002 With Benjamin still not up, they could be switching things around and start building towards Angle/Brock. Well, as long as it's all for the greater good of feeding someone to Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Benjamin will end up on RAW hopefully. They need all the help they can get. I doubt the plan is to feed Angle to Brock immediately but rather to build up for an eventual match. How did everyone come up with Edge/Brock anyways? Just speculation on are part blown out of proportion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted September 22, 2002 How did everyone come up with Edge/Brock anyways? Just speculation on are part blown out of proportion. Those two win all the time. Also, does WWE think Rikishi will get over because he died? Ever since they showed that on Confidential he's been pushed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Benjamin will end up on RAW hopefully. They need all the help they can get. I doubt the plan is to feed Angle to Brock immediately but rather to build up for an eventual match. How did everyone come up with Edge/Brock anyways? Just speculation on are part blown out of proportion. Who's the only face in the company that never looks bad and seems to kill everyone he faces? Who's the only heel other that HHH that is actually getting pushed? And they are building up to feed Angle to Brock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Edge always wins? And has he ever had momentum? Did he get anywhere after Angle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Edge always wins? And has he ever had momentum? Did he get anywhere after Angle? Edge either wins or gets his heat back in spactacular fashion later in the night, then procedes to humiliate and destroy the guy for the enxt several weeks. Besides the fact that he sold Angle as not on his level and unworthy (How is that climbing the ladder?) he was injured for a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Oh, I agree with edge killing his opponents, but he just doesn't have the momentum to make it up the ladder without a spectacular fallback. The difference between him and Brock is Brock's fresh and can afford the early setbacks for the long run if they stick with him; Edge has been there and they can't have that kind of leeway with him. But Angle's the only main event calibre opponent he's had though. Eddie and Booker (over shampoo). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2002 I think Edge making Angle look like he was his bitch was and is the biggest problem I have with Edge. A man that has not yet got above IC title status does not need to be making a two time WWF champion look like his bitch unless he's being pushed as a monster. The fact that he didn't do much after Angle goes even further to make Angle look bad, cause Edge went WAY over Angle for no good reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted September 22, 2002 RVD has more of a chance than Jericho of surviving HHH, because he hasn't come off a bad run as champ like Y2J. But HHH will cut Rob off at the knees too. And Angle will *definetly* be fed to Brock. Remember, he's on the Goldberg push so he'll be fed everyone in the company. Except HHH, who will beat him after Brock's beaten everyone else. Yeah, I'm cynical, but its true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Jericho's title run was just fine until HHH came along. Jericho's match and promos with The Rock for the Rumble were awesome. Then HHH came along and ruined Jericho's title run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 It was never fine. It was always somewhat shaky. HHH just mercy killed it the first time, the second match was the true burial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Jericho vs Rock was great, but that was before he won the Undisputed title. Once he did, that feud died and Jericho-Austin was terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Without the interference, their third pay per view match would have done much better as Jericho overly cheated at the end. That was the starts of unmotivated Austin there. What they need is a Montreal with HHH and RVD, send Nash buyout in the mail for Monday delivery, and Michaels tap to Jericho in the Walls all on one show. Than bring back Austin and milk whatever you can out of him; the draw and the jobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted September 22, 2002 Well, one thing everyone overlooks is that HHH beating Jericho at WM is the proper booking decision. I doubt anyone had a problem with that....it was the embarrassing way Jericho was treated before hand and made to look like an errand boy. RVD has too much pride in himself to get involved with dog shit angles. He'd walk first, I really believe that. If RVD survived jobbing to the Eliminators on a nightly basis, I think he can afford jobbing to HHH once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 22, 2002 It was the right decision, originally. Until he was so made to look like shit he needed the win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 23, 2002 And in comparison to Jericho and HHH we have Brock and Undertaker tonight. Three ref bumps, and Undertaker being shitty, in what was looking like a good Taker match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted September 23, 2002 Angle lost, but he looked strong and the crowd rallying behind him might be the start of a face turn which can be solidified with a good month of build-up and a 4 to 5 star rematch next month. So i think Angle came out ok. Edge lost, so he certainly didn't kill RVD. Edge-haters will have to wait till next month. (BTW, it amuses me to no end that the fans who wanted new guys to be elevated look at Edge and Brock and say NO, I MEANT MY FAVORITE GUY. haha) RVD will be ok if this is leading to rematch. If its leading to RVD / Flair, then he just got his balls cut off. it would be as bad as anything done to jericho or angle. my 2 cents Niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 23, 2002 Edge lost, so he certainly didn't kill RVD. Edge-haters will have to wait till next month. (BTW, it amuses me to no end that the fans who wanted new guys to be elevated look at Edge and Brock and say NO, I MEANT MY FAVORITE GUY. haha) I think it's amazing that when you have Angle and RVD as the most over guys in the company, you try to trash them and push Edge and Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites