Need ideas on what to look for

[Guest Mad Dog]

Just to give you an idea I've watched CMLL for quite awhile now. Around 2 years I think. So I've seen a few of the New Japan guys on random occasions.

 

My question is where is a good site to get tapes, how much will they run me and what are the best tapes to get?

 

Also what would be the best style to look for.

[Guest PlatypusFool]

Look at the 'Read and don't forget' thread at the top of this forum for tape sites.

 

The best tapes to start with are the Super J Cup 94 & 95 (with 95 being slightly better for an intro to puro), and possibly some new NJPW (some recent G1 Climax '02 stuff, anything from the last couple of months), especially if you've seen some of them in CMLL.

 

I suppose also, if you a lucha fan, you'll take a lot of enjoyment from some of the better Toryumon and T2P around as well

[Guest BionicRedneck]

This is by no means a knock on Mad Dog, but I think someone should put a pinned topic of "New to Puro etc." as they are loads of posts like this.

 

Anyway, I would agree get Super J Cup 94 and 95

[Guest DragonflyKid]

There is so much great stuff available that there are so many starting points one can choose. I would suggest pick a certain style or promotion(Juniors or 90's AJ.) then go chronologically from the beginning of it's great period on forward, or get a comp with the classics then go back and fill in the gaps with tv blocks and commercial releashes and rewatch the classics and be amazed at how much greater they are when they are able to be appreciated more with a sense of the history behind them to go along with the great wrestling.

 

I would suggest Tabe as a dealer, order 4 tapes which you can get 6 hours on and each is only $11.00 and that is with S&H included. He has alot of the '93 tv blocks and the classics if you are going to go the All-Japan route.

 

http://www.icehouse.net/tabe/index2.htm

[Guest TheGame2705]

If you want you can read the topic I started called "Getting my first set of puro comps". It's a discussion of what some of the best stuff you should get is. I have a range stuff that I'm getting suggestions for. I'm new to buying puro tapes too but I like Tabe and I'm going to buy from wrestleholics.com. On a side note, anyone know if they're good?

[Guest Jubuki]

You mean wrestleholicsvideos.com - yeah, Fredo's all right. You can get better VQ from Tabe or Jeff Lynch, but Fredo has a lot more Lucha than the others (though I think Lynch is starting to get more).

[Guest TheGame2705]

Aight cool I just don't wanna get stiffed. I'm gonna order maybe 4 tapes from him which'll cost something between $52-64 so I'm not trying to lose it.

[Guest Mad Dog]

For right now I've decided to go with New Japan. I figure they're closer to what I'm used to with Lucha and the old WCW style.

 

I'm getting the J Cups but I'd like suggestions on maybe 3 other New Japan shows that are fairly good buys.

[Guest wolverine]

Get these two matches ASAP:

 

4/30/92 Liger-Samurai

3/17/96 Liger-Ohtani

 

After rewatching these, they are probably my two favorite New Japan matches ever.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Thank you for the help.

 

Out of curiousity is the match where Ultimo Dragon beats Ohtani for I think it was the J-Crown any good?

[Guest wolverine]

YES! But I don't think that match is as good as the matches I mentioned.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

J*Crown Tourni '96 is a great buy, too. It has features Ohtani/Dragon, which, having not seen Lyger/Ohtani 3/96, is my second favorite NJPW match ever. I have to second Wolverine with Lyger/Sammy 4/92 being a must-have match, and the best NJPW match I've ever seen.

 

As an aside, which J-Cups did you get? Only '94 was hosted by New Japan, as WAR hosted '95, and Michinoku Pro hosted 2000.

[Guest Mad Dog]

As of right now I have J-Cup 94 and 95. Also I ordered the J-Crown tourney. The site I'm going to get those 3 off of doesn't have the 2 you suggested which pisses me off b/c it's hard to find any site that has a decent enough collection to get the ones recommended.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Click on the "Read and Don't Forget" folder, and you'll find plenty of credible tape sources, some of which definitely have the two matches we suggested.

[Guest Evil Ash]

Just so I'm not making yet another advice thread...

 

I was lookin' at this tape at goldenboytapes. It's the history of RINGS, with the following matchs:

 

1. Pieter Smit vs. Herman Renting (5/91)

2. Qillie Peeters vs. Marcel Haarmanns (5/91)

3. Chris Dolman vs. Bill Kazmeier (5/91)

4. Akira Maeda vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (5/91)

5. Mitsuya Nagai vs. Herman Renting (8/91)

6. Dick Leon-Vrij vs. Akira Maeda (8/91)

7. Akira Maeda vs. Willy Wilhelm (9/91)

8. Gerard Gordeau vs. Mitsuya Nagai (12/91)

9. Masaaki Satake vs. Hans Nyman (12/91)

10. Akira Maeda vs. Volk Han (12/91)

11. Gerard Gordeau vs. Masaaki Satake (1/92)

12. Akira Maeda vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (1/92)

13. Akira Maeda vs. Rumazi Buzariashivili (3/92)

14. Volk Han vs. Akira Maeda (4/92)

15. Peter Aerts vs. Adam Watt (5/92)

16. Masayuki Naruse vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto (5/92)

17. Akira Maeda vs. Hans Nyman (6/92)

18. Andrei Kopilov vs. Volk Han (7/92)

19. Volk Han vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (8/92)

20. Akira Maeda vs. Andre Kopilov (8/92)

21. Akira Maeda vs. Volk Han (10/92)

22. AKira Maeda vs. Dimitri Petkov (11/92)

23. Dick Leon-Vrij vs. Herman Renting (12/92)

24. Chris Dolman vs. Akira Maeda (12/92)

25. Chris Dolman vs. Dick Leon-Vrij - Battle Tournament Final (1/93)

26. Volk Han vs. Andre Kopilov (3/93)

27. Volk Han vs. Mitsuya Nagai (4/93)

28. Volk Han vs. Willie Williams (5/93)

29. Dick Leon-Vrij vs. Volk Han (7/93)

30. Volk Han vs. Chris Dolman (8/93)

31. Match Highlights (8/93)

32. Akira Maeda vs. Sotir Gotchev (10/93)

33. Bitsadze Tarial vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (11/93)

34. Nikolai Zouev vs. Volk Han (11/93)

35. Bitsadze Tarial vs. Nikolai Zouev (12/93)

36. Akira Maeda vs. Chris Dolman (12/93)

37. Akira Maeda vs. Bitsadze Tarial - Battle Dimension Tournament Final (1/94)

38. Akira Maeda vs. Andre Kopilov (3/94)

39. Volk Han vs. Bitsadze Tarial (4/94)

40. Akira Maeda vs. Willie Williams (5/94)

41. Akira Maeda vs. Volk Han (6/94)

42. Akira Maeda vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (7/94)

43. Tsuyoshi Kousaka vs. Nobuhiro Tsurumaki (8/94)

44. Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Willie Peeters (8/94)

45. Nikolai Zouev vs. Mitsuya Nagai (8/94)

46. Dick Leon-Vrij vs. Akira Maeda (9/94)

47. Tony Halme vs. Bitsadze Tarial (10/94)

48. Wataru Sakata vs. Nobuhiro Tsurumaki (11/94)

49. Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Chris Dolman (11/94)

50. Akira Maeda vs. Tony Halme (11/94)

51. Akira Maeda vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto (12/94)

52. Volk Han vs. Akira Maeda - Battle Tournament Final (1/95)

53. Chris Dolman vs. Akira Maeda (2/95)

54. Mitsuya Nagai vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto (3/95)

55. Chris Dolman vs. Joop Katseel (4/95)

56. Mitsuya Nagai vs. Andre Kopilov (5/95)

57. Volk Han vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto (6/95)

58. Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (7/95)

59. Akira Maeda vs. Andre Kopilov (8/95)

60. Bitsadze Tarial vs. Volk Han (8/95)

61. Akira Maeda vs. Volk Han (9/95)

62. Akira Maeda vs. Dick Leon-Vrij (10/95)

63. Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Mitsuya Nagai (11/95)

64. Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Volk Han (12/95)

65. Hans Nyman vs. Volk Han (1/96)

66. Akira Maeda vs. Yoshihisa Yamaomoto - Battle Tourament Final (1/96)

 

 

So, think that's worth $20?

[Guest Tim Cooke]

It's 8 hrs...I think all the matches listed are NOT clipped.

 

But first, are you new to puro? If not, have you ever watched any shoot style stuff (UWF, UWF-I)? If not, RINGS may not be th ebest place to start.

 

Tim

[Guest wolverine]

Tim,

 

How did you rate the Tamura-Kohsaka 6/98 match? I've seen universal ***** on this match, so I can't wait to see it.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

It's a ***** match without a doubt. Blew me away. It was the first RINGS match that I ever saw. After seeing the 1/97 and 9/97 Tamura v Han matches, it made 6/98 even more special. Han rules all, but what Tamura and Kohsaka did with 30 minutes on the mat is incredible.

 

It kind of weakened my view on Takada a little bit after seeing the three of them work magic on the mat. But that is also like saying I was soured a little on Flair after I got to see AJPW's best......even if AJPW top stuff is better, Flair is still great.

 

Personally, I would take most GREAT UWF style matches over any Junior matches. The useless mat work in most Juniors matches has really soured me a lot on some of those matches.

 

But for a GOOD INTRO to all that is great about Shoot Style, I would say the following matches would be well worth a LYNCH CUSTOM:

 

12/5/84 Takada v Yamazaki

8/13/88 Takada v Yamazaki

11/10/88 Takada v Maeda (This match just to show some variety. Maeda is slow on the mat and annoys me but Takada wins and has great heat throughout the match)

12/22/88 Takada v Backlund

Takada/Albright UWF-I series

Takada/Vader UWF-I series

Tamura/Han RINGS series

and whatever combos of Han/Kohsaka.Tamura you can get.

 

There is a 9/11/85 Takada/Yamazaki match from UWF's last V. 1.0 show but I haven't seen it since Lynch or no one else has it. Probably going to go in with TABE and get MASTERS of the 12/84 and 9/85 shows from Katsumi.

 

Tim

[Guest Evil Ash]

I'm not new to puro or shoot style. Though I haven't seen a ton of UWFi or anything. Plus, I'm a big fan of PRIDE and the UFC, so I don't think that's an issue. I've heard much mad love for Volk Han as well. That in mind, do you think it's worth $20, or could I spend that money on better, similar items?

 

$20 for 8 hours ain't bad.

[Guest Black Tiger]

Mad Dog, before you watch the J Crown, pick up the Sky Diving J, its the show that led up to the J Crown and its has some awesome matches like Lyger vs Togo, TAKA vs Delfin, and Ohtani vs Sakuraba.

 

Also I'd reccomend picking up The 1994 Super Jr Tag League, the finals between Benoit/Ohtani vs Sasuke/Black Tiger is ****3/4. Have you seen that match Wolverine?

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Ash,

 

Are you in the UK?

 

If so, then it is worth it.

 

If you are in the US, there is plenty of other ways to get stuff just as good.

 

Tim

[Guest wolverine]

Also I'd reccomend picking up The 1994 Super Jr Tag League, the finals between Benoit/Ohtani vs Sasuke/Black Tiger is ****3/4. Have you seen that match Wolverine?

 

Yes, I have the comm tape with both the league match and the finals. I think I rated the final ****1/4, with the league match not far behind.

[Guest Evil Ash]

I'm Canadian, actually.