Guest pappajacks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 The WWF isn't portraying the nWo as it should. In WCW Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were regarded as the "cool heels" not the "serious heels". Instead N, H, H are being depicted as the "strong, silent, serious types". What happened to the finger motions (Scott Hall's "Ooooh"), the use of "Hey Yo", and Kevin Nash dropping a couple of a/s bombs. Hall and Nash are the two funniest guys when it comes to taking a crowd by storm, just watch WCW Nitro tapes. Even if the WWF wants to cement Nash, Hall, and Hogan as true heels, they can't be putting the fans to sleep in the process. Hall cut a killer promo last night, inviting SCSA to Wrestlemania, but it is nothing compared to what he could do. On the other side of the coin, I liked Hall's use of the cinder block on SCSA. Yes the cinder block was fake and it exploded into a million pieces; however, the whole scene was textbook nWo. The silence by the announcers leaving the "scene of the crime" was a refreshing change from what we usually are accustomed to. (JR screaming). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I don't undertsand this. When Hall and Nash were playing "cool heels" evryone was nutting in their pants about how "They're making all of the faces look weak blah, blah, blah" "Thank goodness for Triple H, he's a true heel not a cool heel like Hall and Nash. If it wasn't for him there would be no heel in wrestling!" Now Hall and Nash aren't being cool heels and nobody likes it. I say get over it I think they're doing it the right way. If and When Benoit wins the WWF Title I can't wait to come to this board and read a thread about "Benoit's not a good choice for champ! Give it to The Rock" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted February 27, 2002 Don't listen to the marks Human Fly. If you have to have the NWO, it should be as serious heels and not cool heels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I have to agree with you on the use of the nWo. To me, Hogan, Hall, and Nash seem to have stage fright. They look good in the nWo propaganda ads, but whenever they hold the mic in the ring, its like they are walking on egg-shells, afraid to say anything to get them over. Every since they made their first apperance in the WWF the other guy whether it be Austin or Rock always did the promo better and/or had a better crowd reaction. Just listen to the audiences whenever Hogan talks, the fans yell "WHAT" everything he pauses. Then Hogan has the weak follow up of "Gonna do brodda" I notice it in their voices being the coward is not doing anything for the nWo, whether it be ring rust or whatever the nWo is not getting over in my eyes. I think after WMX8, Hogan, Hall, Nash will fade away just like their nWo propaganda ads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 What the hell is the role of nash in the nwo? He just sits there says a few lines and thats his job for the night. Jesus at least put him in a feud with somebody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted February 27, 2002 if benoit ever wins the title, you won't hear complaints about him. Probably about who is booked against, but never Benoit. Twould be blasphemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 Oddly enough, The Torch website had some column saying Hall & Nash should be "cool heels". I think the nWo angle has lost some steam after a hot debut on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big Poppa Smurf Report post Posted February 27, 2002 The only times the crowd woke up at all at RAW last night was when Austin cut his promo(they died during his match with perfect), during the HHH/Steph/Jericho segment and when the NWO was onscreen with Hogan even getting appllause when he mentioned what he did to the Rock last week so I think its a tad bit too early to talk about the NWO being dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted February 27, 2002 Hogan is doing alright. Hall is barely coherent, and Nash isn't doing anything. The NWO in WCW didn't get over because they were cool. They were over because they destroyed all the faces (ala the Original Horsemen). When they started acting cool (and getting face pops), was when the angle started dying a slow death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 27, 2002 if the nWo are playing cool heels then where is the humor? Where is the sarcasm of the Outsiders? I was thinking of the promo from Smackdown with Hall being locked up in the beer freezer.....would'nt it be funnier if Hall locked up Austin and taunted him by pouring some non-alcoholic beverage on his head? Or have Nash mock the WWF character development by asking Stef "where did your daddy banish the Berzker" Maybe have the nWo say their lines with more emotion at least....the monotone voice is not working for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted February 27, 2002 No one seems to get it: THE NWO WERE BEYOND THE CHILDISH BULLCRAP THAT IS HEELS AND FACES. THEY HADN'T BEEN SEEN BEFORE, THEY WERE NEW AND DIFFERANT. IT WAS LIKE THE NWO FANS WERE ALSO FIGHTING THE WCW FANS. IT WAS LIKE A WAR INCLUDING FANS AGAINST FANS. LIKE A RELIGIOUS WAR BETWEEN TWO RELIGIONS: TRADITION AND EVOLUTION. Caps off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest justcoz Report post Posted February 27, 2002 One of the main reasons Nash and Hall now require the heavy salaries the WWF handed out to them is because of their humor and mic skills. Seeing the two of them stand in the background with their hands in their pockets is sad. The WWF could be doing so much with the NWO angle right now. It's lost so much momentum since the Rock attack last week. These guys are supposed to be a poison to the locker room, right? How about showing them backstage interacting with WWF superstars? Building heat with everyone in the back. Have Scott Hall go up to the Dudley's and say he can't wait until he kicks out of the 3D. Nash and Hall approach Rob Van Dam doing his stretches and mock him. Hogan walking into Ric Flair's office and telling him that he's wiser not to take the match with the Undertaker because Ric Flair's best days are behind him and pretty much have been since 1992. Jim Ross is always screaming about these guys only being in the business to get themselves over. How about Nash and Hall walking through the crowd, taking ringside seats with their own hand made signs mocking the WWF stars in the ring. Nash with a Tazz Fears Rene Goulet sign. Stuff like this would fit just as much into the idea that the NWO is a threat and indeed a poison to the WWF product as taking a cinder block to Stone Cold's knee. Even with that angle on Monday night, I was sitting there hoping that when Ross and Lawler fleed from the broadcast booth, the NWO would take the headsets and throw some jabs at Austin and the WWF. For the NWO concept to be successful again it has to be entertaining. Nash, Hall and Hogan have to look like they are having fun and serious when the situation calls for it. Not all the time though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 good points justcoz! the WWF is treating this like they did the Invasion..halfass. The Invasion could have been effective if there was any emotion showed by the intruders but everyone just winged it. The nwo is doing the same. One magical moment then nothing. I don't blame the dinosaurs. I blame the WWf for not pulling the trigger on shaking things up a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 great post justcoz.....the nwo should be going after more people than rock and austin. In fact right now would be a GREAT time to do the invasion angle.I know its too late....but they now have the brand name talent to do it.I think people would take hogan,nash,and hall a lot seriously then they did the ecw/wcw faction. Bring in jarett and steiner and along with Booker T,DDP youve got a great wcw/wwf feud. The wwf blew their wad way too early with the invasion.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 They won't do another invasion angle. They already botched the WCW/ECW invasion. They might botch the nWo angle, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 im not saying they will, or should. Im just saying the wwf should have waited till they got a few big names (not upper mid carders like Page and Booker) before starting it. God did HHH's injury really throw the booking that off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 "im not saying they will, or should. Im just saying the wwf should have waited till they got a few big names (not upper mid carders like Page and Booker) before starting it." they could have made it work with the guys they had but the execution was all wrong. When did booker or page or lance storm ever get a chance to tell the wwf off? Put Awesome or chavo or somebody out there to cut a Heyman like promo and it would have gotten over. Simply put, Vince forgot he owned the wcw name. Wasn't the goal to strengthen the brand name to make future profits? Then why bury it from the beginning? That's nothing but ego. and making it a toy for his kid doesn't help. And who thought that wcw was supposed to be the face faction? mistake #1 More talent would have helped but it could have worked if not for McMahon's ego. The result was UWF2001. And HHH's ego definitely screwed things up. That could have been the real elevation for Benoit and Jericho that we've been creaming for. Thank god 2001 had some great wrestling or the whole year would have been a write off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 Oh the wwf did botch it bad...i agree. They botched it once Steph became the owner of ecw.....I just dont feel the fans really looked at the wcw/ecw guys as real threats from the start. I mean it was all strength in numbers....40 against 3 or whatever, but a lot of them were either mid carders or jobbers. They needed a few more brand names for people to respect the wcw brand name. I believe around june, july was a good time to start the spilt. Get the other midcaders more over, sign a few more guys, and do this around NOW for wrestlemania....but its way too late now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I'll never forget when Austin beat up all the WCW/ECW guys on Raw. That made them (WCW/ECW) look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 and all 40 of them were made to look like fools. Awesome, O'Haire, Storm, DDP, Booker, RVD, Jindrak, Palumbo could have all been made into respectable stars. Not one was put in a position to succeed. Vince has proven in the past that he can make stars if he wants to. HHH is a prime example. Angle was booked brilliantly to succeed. Kane was over in a matter of months. Shit, DDP was the most credible star they had and he was Taker's bitch. Not a way to get an angle off the ground. Why did Booker lose the title to Angle or Rock? Defeating both (which is a common thing for the two to job) would have solidified Booker as a real threat. Instead him and the spinaroonie are portrayed as bad comedy. The greatest angle ever that wasn't meant to be. Screw the names. It's the actions of the WWF that ruined it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 27, 2002 HHH was FAR more over at the time of his big "push" then o hare, awsome, raven etc. Plus were talking about a stable of 30/40 here, not just one guy. The fans just looked at all of them and conisdered them a bunch of jobbers, which well at the time most of them were. Putting rock, austin,jericho, angle agianst booker T ddp and the dudley boyz? think about it fans see it as a major mismatch. Which is why the split should have happened then. To GET guys like o hare and awsome over so fans can see them as credible threats. Just dont throw them all in a ring and call them something. Get them over...and then do the angle. It was destined to fail from the start... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 "Just dont throw them all in a ring and call them something. Get them over...and then do the angle" i think we are on the same page but i still feel they could have gotten over during the initial angle with better booking and character background and development. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JAxlMorrison Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I will start to think the nwo angle is dying if Hogan loses at Mania.....I am not sure if after a Hall loss the nwo can survive either, but oh well...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I think the nWo has to win one match at WM or the angle loses a lot of cred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 i'm not happy about the nwo being here but you really have to wonder about Vince's true intent. Is he trying to make money and milk the Hogan name or settle old feuds by burying the dinosaurs? I think Mania will answer this question very effectively Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 If Hogan loses to the Rock, then the WWF made a HUGE mistake having the NWO beat down the Rock. As the angle was playing out it could have transcended the NWO vs. WWF stuff and been icon vs. icon. Now that the NWO beatdown has taken place...it's all about the NWO. If Hogan loses...that was real dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 27, 2002 but i think you and i agree bps that Rock should beat Hogan, regardless of storylines. a hogan win will not affect his status. a rock win can improve the notion of being a Mania loser. (sorry, the Sultan win doesn't count) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 They should have Hogan play up the fact The Rock "chokes" at WM. If Rock wins, then Hall has to win to keep the nWo from looking like jobbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 Rock should win, yes. I see little to be gained to have your big star of the future job to your big star from the past. Also...If Rock win...Jericho most likely does too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 27, 2002 The WWF will have big balls (At least for one night only) to have Jericho walk out as champ. Although him & HHH aren't as over as they should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
