Guest Ripper Report post Posted February 27, 2002 I don't think you guys understand what Job Steph really has. She is the Head of the Writing staff. In other words(if it works the same as it does in every other business that has one) She is the one that presides over the meeting that the writers and bookers have. They TOGETHER come up with ideas and discuss what they would like to do. They TOGETHER nix ideas or push others. It isn't Stephanie...it the entire writing team. It is comparable to a jury. If a jury makes a ass backwards decision, noone say, "Wow that jury foreman was a idiot" just because he/she announced it and was head of the jury....The entire jury makes a decision and they are collectively called idiots(or genioius's in some cases.) Puting the blame on her and saying she is a horrible writer is using her as a scape goat. For all we know, she could be coming up with amazing ideas that are being nixed by the rest of the writing crew...or she could be coming up with shitty ideas that are being pushed through. No one can say either way for sure. People are letting her onscreen persona actually dictate their view on the true person. It has been reported many, many times that she would like to write herself off TV(as did Shane during the Invasion) but the idea wasn't recieved well. It might be true and might not, but if it is it just goes to show what could really be happening in real life. Vince Russo had the same restraints when he was in the WWF. And when he was given total control in WCW...well you see what happens without checks and balances. We have yet to see what Steph would do without restraints, so by default I have to say that without restraints and people offering insight, Vinnie Ru is a dangersously bad writer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted February 28, 2002 It has been reported many, many times that she would like to write herself off TV(as did Shane during the Invasion) but the idea wasn't recieved well. Call me cynical, but I just don't believe this for a second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted February 28, 2002 I had to go with Steph because Russo, like it or not, made a significant contribution to the industry. Attitude sucked for the most part but ultimately worked wonders for the wwf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted February 28, 2002 The joint booking Terry Taylor and Russo did was actually pretty good. Bischoof sucked a lot worst than Russo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted February 28, 2002 thanks for actually responding to my poll, this the first one i had that ever got more than 6 votes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 28, 2002 Who was on the WWF's creative team when Russo was there. I can think of Russo, Ed Ferrera, Bill Banks & Terry Taylor. All of whom went to WCW with Russo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 28, 2002 I'd also add Vince as the ultimate overseer, and of course Patterson. Steph was sitting in, but whether she was contributing or not hasn't been shown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted February 28, 2002 I chose Stephanie for some reasons. Ripper you could be right with your assessment. I just think something's wrong since Steph joined the writing staff in September 2000. Maybe it's ego and whatnot on part of the actual roster, but something stinks. Let me go through the list here. We had a hot love triangle going on. Suddenly it turned cold after SummerSlam. We still don't know about what happened with her and Angle. Something could have been made of it and nothing came out of it. I would think Steph would have more say on her character than not. Who ran over Austin has Steph's little interest turn out to be Triple H. The angle had Rock being framed all the way and the wwf doesn't even use it to their advantage for Austin/Rock 2 for the main event of Mania. That could have helped tell a story WHY Austin did what he did at WM 17. Triple H *AGAIN* survives DEATH by showing up the following week like superman. I mean even Rock didn't come back a week later recently. A woman is the center piece of the main event storyline for no damn reason last year at Mania(Debra ring a bell?). Steph becoming owner of "ECW". The wwf not having Austin vs. Booker real champion vs. champion. A whole bunch of BITING Russo's work from 1998 in September last year. Having a unified title match on a nothing ppv. I don't think this is a coincidence. Compare this work to the wwf from when Russo left in 1999 until SummerSlam 2000. The ring work ruled and so did most of the writing with the exception of Steph turning on her husband. A little bit of suspension of disbelief and also showed they were winging it. It would have been much more effective if Steph was a true bitch that ditched Test for Trips with that marriage. Oh yeah, Test/Trips WENT nowhere as well when it was obvious something hot. Now take into account when Russo was head writer. It's arguable when he really took over. Some say it was before WM 13, while others say it was a couple months after. Anyways, he helped write the USA/Canada storyline. Bret Hart turning bitter on America, but being face everywhere else. Austin's rise to the top. Actually putting Vince slowly into storylines as the owner. DX storylines. Mick Foley triple personalities. Rock's rise to people's champ to corporate champ back to people's champ. Russo just got garbage around WrestleMania 15 by swerving title matches and whatnot. He started to switch titles way too often as well in 1999. Notice he took off in 1999 as well. Before that he had a good run. His ego got in the way and also just got "writer's block" as evident in wcw. Another question should be what period did the wwf have the best writing? I say it was in 1986-1988. Starting from Orndorff turning on Hogan. Andre being suspended and his reinstatement with help from Heenan(slightly hinted at). To Macho almost killing Steamboat. The undercard even had solid stuff like the Killer Bees and Mass Confusion. Jake the Snake ddting Steamboat on concrete. Piper returning to see his Pit taken over by the flower shop and I can go on all the way to the world title tourney. Even the Mega-Powers break-up makes Triple H/Steph/Angle look weak. I want THAT head writer back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 28, 2002 Wasn't it McMahon & Patterson booking the 1980s WWF? Vince (McMahon) has a problem changing with the times. Which is why he stuck with the "cartoon" gimmicks up until 1996. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted February 28, 2002 Nope Vince and Patterson WEREN'T the head writers. Of course Vince saw over everything as always, but if you read the WM 3 portion of the Mania insider history book it states who was writing the shows. I also don't think the wwf was really a cartoon based show until 1989 after WM 5. It had the "superhero" tendencies and dumb skits, but not the outright cartoonish angles and whatnot. The wwf still use to call itself a sport most of the times. Around Royal Rumble 1989 the wwf started to really call itself sports entertainment more often than not. After Vince's admission in 1989 to prevent himself paying sports taxes. The wwf became a real cartoon when it started that "family entertainment" crap in 1989-early 1992. It's not a coincident stuff like Red Rooster, Rhythm and Blues, Blue Blazer(RIP), Mr. Perfect(although he ruled), Genius(stupid Leaping Lanny Poffo) and Macho King etc started to hit the airwaves. Stupid angles like Earthquake squashing Jake's snake and "crying". This nonesense creeped in after WrestleMania 5. The head writer had a fall out with Vince before all that junk hit our screens. That is where Vince got stuck with the times. I think this era of the wwf was the wwf's downfall and Vince still pushed it into the dark ages. Luckily someone woke his out of touch $^%. You know look at the Manias and their storylines BEFORE WM 5 and after(WM 6-9 especially with the exception of stuff like Savage/Warrior or Flair/Savage or Hogan/Warrior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 28, 2002 I haven't read the WM insider book. So, who was the booker during the 80s? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 28, 2002 That makes perfect sense because I was really getting away from wrestling during those 'cartoon' years (90-92) and now I can reflect back and see why. When you watched Magnum-Blanchard or Flair-Steamboat, you were watching some wars. It's hard to get excited about some of the crap the WWF was dishing out and it was even worse when the nwa/wcw tried to follow suit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted February 28, 2002 Quote (Guest @ Feb. 27 2002,11:41) It has been reported many, many times that she would like to write herself off TV(as did Shane during the Invasion) but the idea wasn't recieved well. "Call me cynical, but I just don't believe this for a second." Well, it was said that she didn't want to return to TV until HHH came back...and that is VERY believeable. And Shane doesn't like being on camera that much. His history of showing up/disappearing shows that. he just got put in the forefrount of the biggest angle and HAD to be there. As soon as the invasion was over....well have you seen him since the night after? I truely believe that Steph wanted to take that time off with HHH if for no other reason just to be with her man while he was rehabing and/or sitting at home after the surgery. That would have been 8 months no steph. But they decided the Alliance needed to REALLY be heels and who better than the instant heat machine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted February 28, 2002 That would have been 8 months no steph. But they decided the Alliance needed to REALLY be heels and who better than the instant heat machine? That would have been 8 months no steph. But they decided the Alliance needed to REALLY be heels and who better than the instant heat machine? A heat machine who got more spotlight than the wrestlers in The Alliance did....which really hurt the whole angle in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted February 28, 2002 That would have been 8 months no steph. But they decided the Alliance needed to REALLY be heels and who better than the instant heat machine? A heat machine who got more spotlight than the wrestlers in The Alliance did....which really hurt the whole angle in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted March 1, 2002 Steph should have her lips superglued and sewed to Triple H's dick, that way we don't have to hear her anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted March 1, 2002 dude you really expect us to believe a mcmahon doesn't want to be on tv constantly? Bull Shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anorak Report post Posted March 1, 2002 Despite some of the garbage Russo served up (especially later on) he had a good run for a time when things were booming. He had a real influence for a period when his writing helped define the key image of a hot product. Stephanie's contributions have so many holes in that they are increasingly harmful to the WWF's ongoing success and she more than matches the outlandishness Russo's work had from time to time. Russo may have been a hack who managed to capitalise on the changing scene for a time but Stephanie appears just clueless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted March 1, 2002 in russo's favor the KOTR where rock turned and joined up with vince was awesomely booked...storyline wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 Actually that happened at Survivor Series 1998. It was still a well booked swerve and show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
