Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted September 27, 2002 No tag ropes this week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 No tag ropes this week? I didn't notice. That's gay if they took them out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I taped the 1st 45 minutes, and just watched the tag match. I didn't see any tag ropes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Wow, Edge and Eddy match was very entertaining. It's good that the crowd showed appreciation for Eddy and Edge. I also enjoyed the Main Event. Rey jr looks to have some of the dangerous wrestlers after him...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I fell asleep during the original airing, and I'm watching the tape now...LMAO @ punch drunk Taker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted September 27, 2002 The woman (Im guessing) that was screaming during the Eddie Edge match got very annoying. 2 Really good matches (Eddie vs Edge, Triple Threat) 2 Really bad matches (Chavo vs Rikishi, Matt Hardy vs Taker) 1 Average match (Billy/Chuck vs Noble/Tajiri) 1 Pointless Segment (Brock beating up Smackdown's #1 Announcer, Funaki) Overall, it was a good show wrestling wise. The really good and average matches outweighed the really bad matches.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 And Chavo/Rikishi was still pretty watchable since Rikishi sold well for Chavo and took a lot of his offense, which was more than can be expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I love Smackdown. That's all I really have to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I just got done watching the Edge-Guererro match and that might be WWE MOTY IMO so far. It was even better than Benoit-Angle to me, and thats saying alot since that was a hell of a bout too. The last 4 spots were all sickly great, and both guys will hopefully benefit from the blowoff here, pushes to the max for both of them if you ask me. Edge's one negative to me was his lack of selling things properly but he did it right tonight. Guererro straight up can't do anything wrong in the ring, period. The crowd impressed me again much like Angle-Benoit too with the ovation for Eddie after the match. Taz and Cole have gotten so good on putting things over on SD too, and they get an A++ for their announcing in this one. A definate must see match to say the least. It's hard to believe in one sense there is stuff like the bad booking at the ppv and then a boring ass Raw, and then there is this. Thank god for Heyman! First hour was all pretty good too. The Rikishi-Chavo match was short, the women were used the way they should be, and the impromptu tag was decent enough for TV. The Lesnar angle worked for me just because he was throwing Funaki around like a pillow. Plus any airtime for Funaki on SD is a good thing! Still got more to watch, I can imagine the ME will be something too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Second hour was just as good as the first, ME kicked all kinds of ass and definately was a solid *** 1/2 or 3/4 Hell, I even enjoyed Taker being taken out by Brock, and the subsequent blade job drunk sell. Good stuff. I seriously would think that after tonight too, Guererro will be a face. That match with Edge tonight made that happen, probably not predicted though. Best Smackdown of the year if you ask me........two really really good matches and everything else having purpose too, for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted September 27, 2002 One thing I liked about this show is that it felt like a wrestling show. No 20 minute promos, very few skits. Everything that needed to be said and should have been said was dealt with in the ring. And surprise, surprise we get two amazing matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I'm going to watch the show now, finally. I may just fast-forward to the Funaki interview because I got to see the first parts of the show before I went out. I have a lot to look forward to, I guess. One thing I noticed: Anglesault has the most fitting avatar. He is a overbearingly cynical, yet humorous poster. Daria is an overbearingly cynical, yet humorous character. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Eddie just changed the whole fucking match up just so he could get Edge to just sell fatigue, by going after the neck at first, and then just murdering him after that, and basing the story, rather than on body part psychology, but on the Eddie veteran, Edge youth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Yeah, I noticed that Eddie wasn't really focusing on anything in particular for the whole match. He went for the head first, then when that didn't go anywhere, tried the arm, and when that didn't go anywhere either, he went for the vague area of the back/ribs. He did his damndest to sell his back though. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 He really didn't go for the arm that much except to transition into his move, that hurricanrana. But yeah, basically he was just trying to kill Edge last night. That and he totally built the match around the fact that he was the vet, not taking his time and if he did, he was playing possum, and when Edge finally learned it was at the end on the ladder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest humongous2002 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Best Smackdown ever.Rey, Angle, Benoit, Eddy and even Edge really busted their asses, those first 4 I've mentioned are the future of WWE put RVD in that group and you got wrestlers that love to wrestle for the fans. I hope Vince realizes that all those skits and that soap opera bs is not doing anything for the ratings, just let these talented wrestlers do what they do best.......wrestle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Eddy/Edge ****1/2? Hmmm, didn't seem like anything special before the commercial break. If that rating is for the 4 ladder spots, then how did it get the same rating as the Eddy/RVD ladder match, which had constant great action and plenty more ladder spots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Eddie/Edge were just like 'fuck this bullshit, we've worked the arms and shit before - let's just beat the livin fuck outta each other with ladders' ... and it was good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Because Eddie/RVD was a pretty unstable match, and last night was a great match. The way Eddie just way straight after Edge trying to slow him down and keep him grounded and working over each body part, with Edge selling ocnvincingly and Eddie assuming the role of the veteran, sly wrestler who takes control of every opportunity and beat's Edge ass down, and plays possum at times. And the way they built off of other matches. And how it took Edge at the end basically doing what Eddie was doing in just beating the crap out of him and leaving no openings and putting it all out to win. That finish was super climatic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Eddy/Edge is my MOTY right now, without a doubt. I just wish the feud could have went to No Mercy and they did this match there so I wouldn't be burdened by a damn commercial break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Eddie/Edge were just like 'fuck this bullshit, we've worked the arms and shit before - let's just beat the livin fuck outta each other with ladders' ... and it was good. But that was only 7 minutes of the match! Does the first 10 of average wrestling mean nothing? Average wrestling + 4 awesome ladder spots doesn't automatically = MOTYC. Everyone yelled at me when I said HIAC2 was good, well that had 4 huge spots and decent wrestling surrounding, so how's that different? And since when does building off old matches = repeating spots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 They built off the neck work at the beginning, they built off the arm work with both guys. Eddie built off the RVD match by grabbing a second ladder, and he used ladder spots from the RVD match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted September 27, 2002 They built off the neck work at the beginning, they built off the arm work with both guys. Eddie built off the RVD match by grabbing a second ladder, and he used ladder spots from the RVD match. How did they build off the neck work? And I saw the "arm work" if you mean the 3 second hammerlock Eddy did. An entertaining match, but the psychology of their Unforgiven classic wasn't there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 The headlock, superplex, sleeper, backdrop, necksnap, the guiri kick, the first chair shot, hurricanrana, sunset flip off the ladder, need I go on. All focused around the neck. The arm work was the opening, the other way around as edge tried to tak the advantage early by hitting the ram because Eddie used it to bomb him on the Unforgiven match but that didn't really go any where because Edge took control. The other way around was Eddie just setting up his move, my memeory was fading earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I may see the neck work but a lot of those moves are known to work the back, not the neck. Even so, then everyone always complains that all the work on the bodypart(s) went nowhere. How did the end have to do with Eddy working Edge's neck, the alleged arm work, or anything else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 "How did the end have to do with Eddy working Edge's neck, the alleged arm work, or anything else?" Because this match wasn't about the body part work. It was the blow-off to a feud, dripping with pure hatred for each other where each guy was just trying to beat the hell out of each other; and that Eddie was the veteran wrestler coming off two wins with a lot of confidence but also just generally smarter than Edge in the ring. It just so happened that Eddie tried to work the neck because it won him the last match, and Edge tried to get a hold of the arm early to no success to try and counter Guerrero. But the match was more squarely built around a strong brawl with Eddie taking of control of every gap in time, constantly pounding away on Edge (pretty boy), working the neck (last match), beating him all over the body (just trying to kill him in the no DQ situation), and knowing when to play possum and get the hurt Edge when he was in control but unable to capitalize. It was just so well worked and felt so much like the kind of match that would be the finish to a heated feud. Of course Edge's arm work didn't figure into anything; the wily veteran Eddie Guerrero went straight to work on the neck and allowed him no openings to continue with it. And of course Eddie's neck work didn't figure into the finish; he was the heel in the blowoff match of the feud and there was no way he was going to win. Sure, it may have made the match feel more realistically but basically the neck work was just a vehicle to include parts of other matches within the context of this match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted September 27, 2002 A great show and 7 pages. Is it because there's less to complain about? I hope so. Oh, and fuck Rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted September 28, 2002 I accept your argument as quite valid, Brian, and I will now have to rewatch the match. Maybe it's a true classic that I disregarded the first time around (I did it with Bret/Owen too), or maybe the Unforgiven match really is better. I'll get back to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted September 29, 2002 Plus Eddie was tryin to work the ribs - but no dice and he missed the frog splash edge had scouted. The fact that it did play off the other matches is what made it so good. The first 7 minutes was reflected of their first encounters - it was also there to make us appreciate the big spots at the end. I give HITC2 praise, not for it's bumps, but for it's drama/emotion. Foley coming back to the ring, Taker looking at him at the other side, and both going back up as to say "You wanna keep goin? Let's go!" is just beautiful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
