Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I really don't see HOW Eddie could not be in the main event eventually, other then sheer stupidity on the part of the bookers (Not like that'd suprise me). I mean, the guy has charisma melting out of his ears. He got his ass kicked by face Edge, and even though he was a HEEL, he got cheered like mad crazy tonight. That may well just have been San Diego, but whatever... The thing is, the charisma is there. Also, I think he has a more exciting moveset, to the average fan. He can fly, when he wants. I don't see how people can't like that. As far as Rey goes, I think this is the one time that the "Too Small" argument fits. Outside of Rey getting a fluke Rumble win and doing the "only chance" angle to build to a WM match, I can't see him in the main event, because he's fucking tiny. Not that I'd mind it, but he is a bloody runt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Rey will never be a main eventer. Eddy will never be a main eventer. If Benoit wins the title, it will probably only be as a transitional champion. Edge will probably win the title at WM...even though it should be RVD. Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 27, 2002 No matter how you slice it, Angle is in the higher echelon of WWE stars. You can dispute it all you want, but he is there. If you want to consider "being too high to contend for IC title but also the guy that any real main eventer knows he'll beat at will" tippity top, then so be it. I don't. Angle's homegrown and at this point what's holding them back is the fact that he hasn't commited to the Olympics or not, and they're afraid to push him either way until they figure it out. I would push him to try and convince him to stay. Not not push him and waste him, because that's as good as telling him to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Yeh but if the WWE pushed him to the top let's say and hot shotted the title to him at Survivor Series let's say, and then he does decide to leave. You have to see the horrible position that would leave Vince in, it'd be like Rocky all over again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 The thing is the WWE doesn't want to invest in a guy they're not sure they'll have later. That's why they're building up around a guy like Brock; he'll be there forever and basically you can teach him to do things however you want to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Well Taker's like 80 so he should have a heart attack and die any day now. Which means one of these dudes has to be in a PPV main event before the year is out. If Edge is in, say the november and december ppv main events, is he a main eventer? Or does he has to be champion first. Niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 im not liking the tread their doing with rey. He is a cruiserweight, and yet they are putting him in heavyweight matches. Including those velocity matches with other lightweights. It looks like they are deconstructing the cruiserweight division. Thats just screwed up. and when they do their gonna blame the fans, like as if the fans are not interested in Cruiserweight action. Oh No Vince and JR they aren't interested in Cruiserweight vs Heavyweight, they want cruiserweight vs cruiserweight, in their own angles, and more than one match. You Sick freak! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted September 27, 2002 He's (Kidman) been given a few PPV matches, a lot of smackdown matches, and has still done nothing spectacular. Not even anything close to spectacular. Kidman had a very good match w/ Angle on SD, and the SSP always seems to get a good pop from the crowd. But to say he's had a lot of matches on SD would be wrong. I'd be willing to bet Mark Henry has had more matches on SD than Kidman over the last 2-3 months. In fact, I think the match w/ Angle was Kidman's last appearance in SD. Rikishi hasn't done anything *close* to spectacular in what seems like forever, yet he's on SD practically every week. I'm not pushing for Kidman to ME, but he should at least be on SD more often than once every 1.5 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smark Hammill Report post Posted September 27, 2002 No matter how you slice it, Angle is in the higher echelon of WWE stars. You can dispute it all you want, but he is there. I don't understand why people whine and complain about Helms and Kidman being held down. These guys are above average wrestlers at best, and really don't have much natural charisma. The Hurricane gimmick helps out Helms but really, is he THAT good? Could he have a ****+ match with Kurt Angle? I don't think so. Kidman has been given several oppertunities to get over, he just can't do it. Chavo has done more with his 3 weeks push than Kidman has in the past year. One thing you can say about Helms, atleast he took the ball and ran with his gimmick. Kidman has done squat. I agree. I have never understood the whining and complaining smarks do about Kidman, Shannon Moore, Shane Helms, Jamie Knoble, etc. not getting big pushes. These guys, IMO, are a bore. Just my opinion, but if these guys were in the NWA in the mid 80's, they would be jobbers, with the exception of maybe Kidman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smark Hammill Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Rikishi hasn't done anything *close* to spectacular in what seems like forever, yet he's on SD practically every week. You have to go with Vince McMahon logic here. He's big, and the crowd popped for him for a little while when he first debuted. Therefore, he gets pushed. Vince McMahon is and always has been behind the times in terms of what his fans want. He's still living in the Attitude era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest New World Order of Wrestling Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Jamie Noble can put on a solid *wrestling* match, thats all I ask. Moore, Helms, and sometimes Kidman just don't do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest humongous2002 Report post Posted September 27, 2002 I don't mind that Rey is getting to wrestle heavyweights, because in my eyes and the fans eyes the cruiserweight division is full of jobbers. Sad but true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Jamie Noble can put on a solid *wrestling* match, thats all I ask. Moore, Helms, and sometimes Kidman just don't do that. Did you watch them in WCW? All of them did good stuff there. The problem w/ them in the WWE is that they've been ordered to "dumb down" their offense, to the point where Helms is practically a totally different performer in WWE than what he was in WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Yeh but if the WWE pushed him to the top let's say and hot shotted the title to him at Survivor Series let's say, and then he does decide to leave. You have to see the horrible position that would leave Vince in, it'd be like Rocky all over again... If he gets the belt, he isn't leaving. Simple as that. I'd venture a guess and say if he got pushed AT ALL he isn't leaving. But really, I don't see him leaving. The man is (or will be, something like that) 34. That's like 75 compared to the guys he'd face. He ISN'T going to the Olympics again. I have a feeling that this whole "I may go to the Olympics" thing was nothing more than a ploy to get some character direction. Unfortunately, Vince saw right through it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 27, 2002 The thing is the WWE doesn't want to invest in a guy they're not sure they'll have later. Oh, so those Hogan/Taker/Rock BACK TO BACK TO BACK reigns were all some bizarre dream like that season in Dallas? . That's why they're building up around a guy like Brock; he'll be there forever So will cockroaches. and basically you can teach him to do things however you want to. Play Dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Yeah, I doubt he's going too, but why take the chance? Vince is very, very afraid of getting into that type of situation. He just had Austin walk out. Giving somone a push with the remote possibility of them leaving, he just won't do. They way Angle looked after that Confidential piece you can definately see that he wants to do it, but he probably has doubts himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 27, 2002 Yeah, I doubt he's going too, but why take the chance? Vince is very, very afraid of getting into that type of situation. He just had Austin walk out. Giving somone a push with the remote possibility of them leaving, he just won't do. I don't see how you can POSSIBLY bring Austin up. Vince did that happy dance when Austin walked out. For whatever reason, he was trying to make Steve quit. Do you really think Angle would walk out with the belt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2002 No. But Vince is paranoid and looks at things in a totally different way. Look at how he treated Bret. How did you get the he was trying to get Austin to quit? Is there some new news I've been missing out on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 28, 2002 How did you get the he was trying to get Austin to quit? Is there some new news I've been missing out on? After carrying the company on his back in 2001, he is shoved into a MIDCARD level match with SCOTT HALL and booked to lose. Then they make his semi-feud with the fucking BIG SHOW of all people? And they want him to job to the Useless Wonder in some King of the Ring match (Which he entered for lord knows what reason) after two hours of build up? Yeah, Vince WANTED Austin to stay in the company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Well, I wouldn't say he wanted him to quit, but he wanted Austin to elevate his big feud at the time (NWO). Even though everyone but Vince knew it was wrong. And elevate Lesnar even though it would have done nothing for him and put all the feul on the Eddie feud. But Austin's way too smart to quit; Vince was just making bad decisions trying to milk out Austin's drawing power and put things over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Here's my opinion. Vince got bored with Austin, and was just using him to put Eddy and Benoit over before he Montreal'ed him in some way. However, Vince, thinking he could live with HHH and Taker, and fueled by his hatred of small guys like Benoit and Eddy, decided to piss Austin off to the point where he would quit without putting Benoit or Eddy over, making Steve look like the bad guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Didn't Austin suggest the program with Eddy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Didn't Austin suggest the program with Eddy? Yes he did. Austin wasn't happy with well, just about everything. So instead of the writers pissing off Steve even more, they allowed him to pick a program of his choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Report post Posted September 28, 2002 He's been given a few PPV matches, a lot of smackdown matches, and has still done nothing spectacular. Not even anything close to spectacular. Are you watching the same Smackdowns I have been watching? Didnt Kidman do a Slingshot Shooting Star Press from the ring to the floor? That isnt spectacular? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Didn't Austin suggest the program with Eddy? Yes he did. Austin wasn't happy with well, just about everything. So instead of the writers pissing off Steve even more, they allowed him to pick a program of his choice. And then proceded to piss him off again. They didn't want him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Report post Posted September 28, 2002 No matter how you slice it, Angle is in the higher echelon of WWE stars. You can dispute it all you want, but he is there. I don't understand why people whine and complain about Helms and Kidman being held down. These guys are above average wrestlers at best, and really don't have much natural charisma. The Hurricane gimmick helps out Helms but really, is he THAT good? Could he have a ****+ match with Kurt Angle? I don't think so. Kidman has been given several oppertunities to get over, he just can't do it. Chavo has done more with his 3 weeks push than Kidman has in the past year. One thing you can say about Helms, atleast he took the ball and ran with his gimmick. Kidman has done squat. I agree. I have never understood the whining and complaining smarks do about Kidman, Shannon Moore, Shane Helms, Jamie Knoble, etc. not getting big pushes. These guys, IMO, are a bore. Just my opinion, but if these guys were in the NWA in the mid 80's, they would be jobbers, with the exception of maybe Kidman. Yeah, because people with talent are boring. Your a Big Show fan arent you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
