What Is Hardcore To You?

[Guest Sandman9000]

This is something that has bothered me for a while. The term "hardcore" is constantly thrown around, but it varies for so many people. I mean, is it hardcore when you hit a person in the head with a chair? When you have blood in a match? When barbed wire and glass are involved? Or can hardcore exist without any weapons whatsoever?

 

I'm just curious, what do you of you consider "hardcore?"

[Guest Ravenbomb]

if you see the actual sex organs (more than just the breasts) then it's hardcore

[Guest razazteca]

whenever there is a shopping cart of plunder full of weapons then that is hardcore.

 

FMW was hardcore

 

gimmick cage matches can be hardcore

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I think an intense match can be hardcore mostly no dq matches.

 

The crazy weapons are garbage matches, but without the intensity I just can't call them hardcore.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

I think that hardcore needs to involve some serious weapon shots, with non-cutting weapons.

 

Under that, you can have intense, brutal matches, but I really wouldn't call them hardcore. If they're not using weapons to a large extent, but there's still blood, then it's not hardcore, but it could easily be intense. I think the best way to put it would be to say that the weapons have to be a primary focus in the match.

 

Like, Rock/Austin from WM X7 used the chair and had blood, but the chair wasn't the primary focus. The wrestling was - the chair was an aid.

 

However, once you get into weapons that can cut people (lightbulbs, thumbtacks, barbed wire) and make those the primary focus, then I think you're looking at an extreme, or garbage, match.

 

Again, it should be the main focus though. Like, HITC II had thumbtacks, but only for a moment, and they weren't the primary focus. Thus, it's not an extreme match.

[Guest MaxPower27]

What bothers me is the term "hardcore" being thrown around. "Hardcore" isn't a type of match, its how you wrestle said match. If you wrestle with extreme intensity, take good (not stupid) bumps and put on a non-wrestling match, that's hardcore.

 

CZW/XPW and the other garbage feds aren't "hardcore" they're stupid. Any person that thinks they're going to get anywhere in life by diving off of a balcony, or onto barbed wire in front of 150 people is a fucking idiot. At least when Mick did it @ KOR 98, he did it in front of a lot of people, and got paid handsomely to do it. Most of the indy "wrestlers" that do said stupid bumps are just shortening their own lives, and souring people on pro wrestling, when all they are are glorified backyard goons.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

Magnum TA-Tully Blanchard, I quit match in a cage ... that was hardcore.

 

Two guys walking around an arena (with the old "I have my hand on your head so you obviously are drawn to follow me up these stairs, through this doorway, and down the hall" trick) is not.

 

Raven getting hit with an emotional "chairshot heard 'round the world" is.

 

Two guys attacking each other with contrived, makeshift weapons is not.

 

Stapling someone's face is not.

[Guest MaxPower27]

Exactly. Tully v. Magnum or Tully v. Dusty was hardocre before there was hardcore. They were some intense fucking battles.

 

Stapling someone's face is just stupid and shouldn't even be called "wrestling"

 

The "grab someone by the hair and pull them up some stairs and down a hallway" is the WWF/E's version of hardcore.

[Guest netslob]

my definition of hardcore:

 

taking a beating, a hard beating, and getting back up. no matter what they throw at you, getting back up and giving them more. weapons are optional. i firmly believe that a good hardcore match can exist without the use of any weapons at all. it just depends on the participants. none of those contrived "i got you by the hair so you follow me" spots, none of those shitty WWF/E "hardcore" matches. those weren't hardcore, those were Vince McMahon pissing on groups like ECW, FMW and Big Japan. REAL hardcore is about taking the beating of a lifetime and still , by some miracle, still being able to continue. in an ideal world, that is what hardcore would mean.

[Guest TheHulkster]

My definition of Hardcore: A wild brawl that always ends up with someone bleeding. It doesn't really have to have weapons to me, as long as it's a wild, bloody brawl. Bruiser Brody, Terry Funk, and Abdullah the Butcher were having some hardcore brawls when Paul Heyman was in Junior High. Brody and Funk didn't need gimmicks, they just beat their opponents to a bloody pulp (can't really say the same for Abby, but he still was pretty hardcore for his day).

[Guest dpac]

What bothers me is the term "hardcore" being thrown around. "Hardcore" isn't a type of match, its how you wrestle said match. If you wrestle with extreme intensity, take good (not stupid) bumps and put on a non-wrestling match, that's hardcore.

 

CZW/XPW and the other garbage feds aren't "hardcore" they're stupid. Any person that thinks they're going to get anywhere in life by diving off of a balcony, or onto barbed wire in front of 150 people is a fucking idiot. At least when Mick did it @ KOR 98, he did it in front of a lot of people, and got paid handsomely to do it. Most of the indy "wrestlers" that do said stupid bumps are just shortening their own lives, and souring people on pro wrestling, when all they are are glorified backyard goons.

i couldnt agree more, czw is just retarded in my book, do the fans of the fed actually like seeing a man take a weedwacker to another man? if they do i suggest they get some counseling

[Guest Sandman9000]

I'll say this. I'm most likely the biggest CZW fan on this board, and I thought that the weedwhacker shot was unncessary and unenjoyable.

[Guest MaxPower27]

I dig some of CZW's stuff, but I loathe barbed wire matches and all that unnecessary crap. I liked their Best Of The Best Jr. Tournament 1, but most of it sours when they just maim themselves for no good reason.

 

I saw the weedwhacker thing, complete with them putting salt and lemon juice in the wound, and was almost sick to my stomach. Thankfully, I didn't have to pay for the tape, I was watching it when I worked for RFVideo.