Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted September 27, 2002 AL MVP SS-Miguel Tejada, Oakland MVP means Valuable.. IMO. He has great numbers and his close to the top in game winning hits. NL MVP LF-Barry Bonds, San Fran. The numbers are awesome. The On-Base and Slugging are off the charts, close too or more than 200 Walks and maybe most impressive less K's than HR's. AL Cy Young Pedro Martinez, Boston Despite Pedro shutting it down. He's got the best numbers of any pitchers in the American League. NL Cy Young Randy Johnson, Arizona Most wins, most K's, most innings and best ERA. AL ROY 3B-Eric Hinske, Toronto Good numbers, clearly the winner. NL ROY P-Jason Jennings, Colorado The ERA is a little high. But he does pitch and Colorado and the 16 wins and weak field seal the deal. AL MOY Mike Scioscia, Anaheim Just edge out Howe, and Gardenhire. Taking a team that was picked to finish in last place to a team that has a chance to win 100 games. NL MOY Tony LaRussa, St.Louis I don't like LaRussa or the Cardinals. But the death of Kile and all the injuries to the pitching staff is enough for me to give him the award. AL Improved Tim Salmon, Anaheim NL Improved Chris Hammonds, Atlanta It's more of a comeback but Hammond was out of baseball for 2 years and this year his ERA is under 1.00 AL Executive Bill Stoneman, Anaheim. Since I don't know how they choose the winner. Stoneman wins because he dumped Mo Vaughan. Addition by Subtraction. NL Executive Walt Jocketty. Picked up Finley and Rolen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bricks Report post Posted September 27, 2002 AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez. I know I know. But if Dawson could win MVP for a last place team, then surely A-Rod can too. NL MVP: Barry Bonds. The best on base percentage ever. Beat his own record for walks. Most feared hitter in the league. AL Cy Young: Pedro Martinez. Lowest ERA and most strikeouts I believe. NL Cy Young: Randy Johnson. Schilling went on a mini-slump, while Randy was dominating throughout the season. AL Rookie: Eric Hinske. Good stats for a rookie, although he slowed down a bit. If Josh Phelps was called up earlier and played more games though, I'd give him the nod. NL Rookie: Brad Wilkerson. His batting average and HR numbers are just a little lower than Hinske's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted September 27, 2002 AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez. We've gone over this before. I just feel MVP is meant for the best player in the league, period. By that standard, its clearly Rodriguez. NL MVP: Barry Bonds. He's going to break the single season on base percentage record. That says it all. AL Cy Young: Barry Zito. To be honest, Pedro's decision not to make his final start swayed me. It's neck and neck between Zito, Lowe, and Martinez, but I picked Zito because he's made 34 starts compared to Pedro's 30 and Lowe's 32. NL Cy Young: Randy Johnson. Arizona signed Johnson in '99, and in 4 years, he's won 4 Cy Young Awards. Has there ever been a more successful free agent signing? AL RotY: Eric Hinske. NL RotY: Jason Jennings. 16 wins in Colorado is no small feat. Random note about Colorado, they're 47-34 at home this year, but only 26-52 on the road. AL Manager: Art Howe. NL Manager: Tony LaRussa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted September 27, 2002 AL MVP: Tejada (They lose a $125 million player and still win 100 games because of this guy). NL MVP: Bonds (Nuff Said) AL Cy Young: Zito ( I try to pick pitches on winning teams and, Zito is the best pitcher on any of the playoff teams) NL Cy Young: Johnson (Again Nuff Said) AL ROTY: Hinske (Clearly, No Contest) NL ROTY: Ishii (Though I like jennings I think ishii was really dominant for a rookie before the injury.) AL MOTY: Scioscia (Just great what he does for that team) NL MOTY: LaRussa (Although it was close for me, between him and brently, larussa was the winner) AL Most Improved Player: Robin Ventura NL Most Improved Player: Brain Jordan --Rob OFF TOPIC Good shit kieper for beating me in both baseball leagues. Next year I would like a shot at dethroning you though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted September 27, 2002 MVP means valuable...IMO Let's settle this "Valuable" argument by finding the real value of each player: how would their teams fare without them? Take Tejada away from the A's...what do you have left? A 90+ win team with Chavez, Dye and Long and the best pitching staff in the league (who alone will win them 70+ games) Take A-Rod away from the Rangers...what do you have left? A 40+ win team with Rafael Palmeiro and cripples. There is no question to who is more VALUABLE. And Tejada's numbers are not even in the same town as Rodriguez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted September 28, 2002 MVP means valuable...IMO Let's settle this "Valuable" argument by finding the real value of each player: how would their teams fare without them? Take Tejada away from the A's...what do you have left? A 90+ win team with Chavez, Dye and Long and the best pitching staff in the league (who alone will win them 70+ games) Take A-Rod away from the Rangers...what do you have left? A 40+ win team with Rafael Palmeiro and cripples. There is no question to who is more VALUABLE. And Tejada's numbers are not even in the same town as Rodriguez. Did you mention long as a threat? haha, he is not even in the top 10 in his position in his league (AL) Come on, without tejada they would have been a .500 team --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Yeah Rob, the A's success had nothing to do with Zito, Hudson, Mulder, or Chavez. The problem with Tejada is, what are we measuring? Give the award to a guy because he was on Baseball Tonight a lot? What are the Game Winning RBI numbers on other candidates? Did we even look? Far too many people are giving Tejada the nod just because they've seen his name a lot, and not because of any objective analysis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad the Swine Report post Posted September 28, 2002 AL MVP Miguel Tejada NL MVP Albert Pujols. The Cardinals wouldn't even be close to where they are now without him. I think Bonds is extremely overrated. AL Cy Young Derek Lowe. NL Cy Young Curt Schilling. AL ROY Is Vernon Wells eligible? If not, Hinske. NL ROY Jason Jennings. AL Manager Scioscia. NL Manager Bobby Cox. I don't believe in awards simply merited on sympathy. Cox has dealt with as many injuries as LaRussa. And if you look at the Braves lineup individually (Lopez, either Franco, DeRosa, Furcal, Castilla, Sheffield, Jones, Jones), it's hard to believe. With the exception of the outfield, this isn't a pretty lineup. AL Improved Raul Ibanez. NL Improved Odalis Perez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted September 28, 2002 AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez, Texas. NL MVP: Barry Bonds, San Francisco. AL Cy Young: Barry Zito, Oakland. NL Cy Young: Tie (which should happen) - Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, Arizona AL Rookie of the Year: Eric Hinske, Toronto NL Rookie of the Year: Jason Jennings, Colorado AL Manager of the Year: Mike Scioscia, Anaheim NL Manager of the Year: Dusty Baker, San Francisco AL Executive of the Year: Billy Bean, Oakland NL Executive of the Year: Omar Minaya, Montreal Jackass of the year: Bud Selig, MLB Commissioner. Just felt the need to say that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted September 28, 2002 AL MVP I'm kind of at a toss up. I mean, I like A-Rod, part of me says "goddammit John, he makes 25 million a year", but part of me feels bad for him. I mean, he deserves to win. He's a great player, his team would be contending with the Mighty Devil Rays for the worst record in the league if not for him. But, then I look at Tejada. I mean great numbers, replacing a guy like Jay Giambi isn't easy to do, but he did it, and he put up Giambi numbers. A-Rod gets my nod, I think A-Rod will win it, but it'll be close with Tejada. NL MVP Now, alkeiper knows, because he's ripped me a new one everytime I say it, but I strongly dislike Barry Bonds. I mean really strongly dislike. But, he deserves the MVP. I tried thinking of other contenders for this, but there really aren't any that stack to Bonds' major thing, the OBP stat. I like the Cardinals, I like Pujols, Rolen, Drew, etc. I think Pujols is a future MVP, and will eventually lead the Redbirds to the World Series. But, Bonds this year. He's had a great year. A compliment about Barry Bonds from me, man, what's in these cigarettes? AL Cy Young Another good race. I'm a Red Sox fan, but I really like Zito's stuff. The numbers from Lowe and Pedro are great, but when the time came for them to step it up, they kind of dropped the ball. Zito went on a run during that 20 game win streak. Lowe and Pedro's numbers are better. (1-2 in the league in ERA still?), but I give my vote to Zito, a member of the 2002 World Series Champion A's*. I think that Pedro will probably win it, and I'll be happy any way. *-Not yet determined, but wait for it... NL Cy Young Geez, just when we thought that Schilling was running away with it, RJ just has to ruin it for him. Great #'s from both, either way, Arizona wins it. AL Rookie Eric Hinske NL Rookie Kazuhisa Ishii AL Manager Mike Scioscia. What a great job he's done. I think this award should be cut into 3 pieces and given to Scioscia, Art Howe, and Ron Gardenhire. NL Manager Tony LaRussa. Yeah, everyone will bring up the same things about DK and Jack Buck, but that's exactly why he deserves it. Not only did he guide them through that tough time, but they won the division. Great job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted September 28, 2002 Who cares if the Rangers lose 90 games or 100 games. It's still last place. No one is arguing Rodriquez is the best player in the American league. But the award is about who means the most to a team and if your team sucks (not blaming A-Rod)you can't be that valuable. Tejada has stepped up everytime for the A's. He won 2 games against the Twins that I know of, had a game tieing homer against Seattle Thursday, and according to Baseball Tonight has the most game winning hits in baseball. A-Rod can win the Hank Aaron Award. Which is for best player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted September 28, 2002 --If you don't attribute the Ranger's losses to A-Rod, how can you contribute any A's win to Tejada? Tejada has a pitching staff around him that rivals an all-star team, whereas Alex's staff resembles the Andreas fault line. --If you feel that the Rangers could've won 70+ wins by this point considering their roster WITHOUT RODRIGIUEZ, seek professional help. --Yes, the A's could've won 90+ games WITHOUT Tejada. --People like to argue that Tejada is clutch...You want clutch? You want pressure? How about A-Rod basically PLAYING for his contract year by year, because Hicks is so retarded he feels A-Rod can be dealt like any set-up man? 10 years means a little contract security, Tom. --A losing team can't have exceptionally valuable players? If you just wanna go out and say Tejada is MVP because he's on a winning team, go ahead. I'll agree with you. But stating that Tejada=MVP because he's more valuble to his franchise than Alex Rodriguez is, well, absolutely ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted September 28, 2002 A-Rod can win the Hank Aaron Award. Which is for best player. Too bad MLB seemingly abandoned the award last year. I always figured when the baseball gods got together, they said.... "let's give an award to the best player." "ok, what should we call it?" "How about the MVP award?" "Great, that sounds like a classy name for a best player award. Now, how about an award for the player who's on a team that's been in contention yet hasn't won so many games that it hasn't been too dominant, and who's been fellated by sportswriters low on column ideas trying to be different, plus had a game winning hit or two?" (uncontrolled laughter) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted September 29, 2002 AL MVP - Miguel Tejada, Oakland Athletics. NL MVP - Barry Bonds, San Francisco Giants AL CY YOUNG - Barry Zito, Oakland Athletics NL CY YOUNG - Randy Johnson, Arizona D-Backs NL ROY - Eric Hinske, Toronto Bluejays NL ROY -Ryan Jennings, Colorado Rockies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted September 29, 2002 --If you don't attribute the Ranger's losses to A-Rod, how can you contribute any A's win to Tejada? Tejada has a pitching staff around him that rivals an all-star team, whereas Alex's staff resembles the Andreas fault line. --If you feel that the Rangers could've won 70+ wins by this point considering their roster WITHOUT RODRIGIUEZ, seek professional help. --Yes, the A's could've won 90+ games WITHOUT Tejada. --People like to argue that Tejada is clutch...You want clutch? You want pressure? How about A-Rod basically PLAYING for his contract year by year, because Hicks is so retarded he feels A-Rod can be dealt like any set-up man? 10 years means a little contract security, Tom. --A losing team can't have exceptionally valuable players? If you just wanna go out and say Tejada is MVP because he's on a winning team, go ahead. I'll agree with you. But stating that Tejada=MVP because he's more valuble to his franchise than Alex Rodriguez is, well, absolutely ridiculous. Who contributes the losses to A-Rod. He however doesn't do enough to warrant the MVP. If A-Rod was hurt than they'd be worse, but if he wasn't on the Rangers they would find 3 guys to replace him and who knows if the team wouldn't be better. They might? It really depends on who replaces Tejada. A-Rod contract is guaranteed. He's not dogging it but that's hardly clutch or pressure. A-Rod hasn't been in a pressure situation since April. I don't have any problems if someone wants to pick A-Rod for MVP, because he's got the best numbers. But sayings the Rangers would be worse without him means jack, they're already bad with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted September 30, 2002 If Austin Kearns hadn't got hurt he would have won the rookie of the year easily with a .315 batting average while leading all rookies in home runs, sluggling percen., RBI, and runs when he pulled his hamstring Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted September 30, 2002 Has everyone forgotten how bad Derek Lowe was last year? Geez, he wasn't even wanted by the RED SOX BULLPEN and that's saying something. Unquestionably, the AL Most Improved award goes to Lowe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
