WWF No Mercy

[Guest mesepher]

Just wanted to know what the Pros and Cons of WWF No Mercy are?

 

Some people have claimed it's too slow?

How are the ladder matches

Does it top WCW/nWo Revenge?

 

any info you guys could give would be great.

[Guest Zero]

"Some people have claimed it's too slow?"

 

If you've already played SD!3, or X-Box or something, it's definetly going to be slow for you. After playing all the next-gen stuff, N64 is frame-rate hell.

 

"How are the ladder matches"

 

More exciting than the SD series.. slow climbing, and better selling of the opponents, it's always a race.. plus, being able to slam them on the ladder is cool enough.

 

"Does it top WCW/nWo Revenge?"

 

I think WM2000 did that job already.

 

Overall, if you don't mind frame-rates, buy it. I think it's the best wrestling game out in America..

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Just wanted to know what the Pros and Cons of WWF No Mercy are?

 

Some people have claimed it's too slow?

How are the ladder matches

Does it top WCW/nWo Revenge?

 

any info you guys could give would be great.

Well, its not really slow to me, but compared to Smackdown 1 or 2 (not sure about 3 or RAW for X Box) it is.  I myself prefer the pace of No Mercy but thats just a personal preference.

 

The ladder matches pretty much stink because you can only do one move off the top and although you can use the ladder as a weapon, its not that great. The guest referee mode is cool when you have friends over, but is a bore fest when you ref a cpu vs cpu match.

 

It is much better than Revenge, if only for the extensive create a wrestler that Revenge doesnt have.

But the graphics are way better and the extra gameplay modes and moves make it a no brainer over Revenge.

 

Just hope you dont get a copy with *the glitch*.  My copy has it, and being to lazy to take things back I've just delt with it, and I've been pretty lucky not to have any random erasures in the last 6 months now (knock on wood).

 

No Mercy is definitely the best Wrestling game I've played on the N64, and until Wrestlemania X-8 comes out in June for the Cube is one of the only reasons to keep the N64 out.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

If you like the AKI style of wrestling games, definitely get it.  I only have 1 minor quibble, which is no mask editor in the CAW mode.

 

If you really want to go all out, get Virtual Prowrestling 2 (import from Japan).  Made by AKI, virtually the same as its American counterpart, except w/ Japanese wrestlers.  Plus mask editor in CAW

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I love no mercy.  

 

Two Main Flaws

 

-Lack of Masks.

-Slow as hell game play in tag matches.

 

My suggestion for ladder matches... Get a gameshark.  Find codes where you can bring in a ladder so you can pin, reg ladder matches do not do that (duh).

 

Well, Revenge was cool because it had masks... But No Mercy is much better.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I agree, it still is the best wrestling game ever made.

[Guest Scotsman]

Yeah I still play No Mercy non-stop.  Worth buying without a shadow of a doubt.

[Guest DrEvil]

The best wrestling game THQ put out on the 64.  The premise is the same as Revenge, but the graphics are better, there's an awesome CAW section, the ladder and cage matches, plus they took out the annoying punching combos that so many wrestlers had.  The championship mode and earning money are fun too because it actually gives you something to accomplish.

 

It slows down when you've got 4 guys on screen, but it's pretty good for singles matches.

 

A couple of annoyances:

- no pins in ladder or cage matches (get a game shark)

- can't edit moves on existing wrestlers

- can't edit masks

- can't edit "accompanied by" (just an annoyance because of the slowing down problem)

- the infamous glitch - the memory randomly erases on some copies, I thought mine was okay, but I got hit a while ago

 

But if you liked revenge, then NM is definately worth the money, it's the best wrestling game I've played.  I'm hoping THQ puts out one more N64 game to deal with these problems.

[Guest ])r. ])eath]

There is slowdown in gameplay when there are more than 3 wrestlers on the screen at one time. This is due to AKI/THQ attempting to cram way too much shit into one cartridge.

 

The N64 AKI/THQ wrestling games are known for their multiplayer fun.. this game lacks that due to slowdown.

 

The cage sucks. You have to "tap it" to get out, and can't do moves off of the top of the cage. Same with the ladder match.. to win you have to "tap it."

 

WCW/NWO Revenge is still the best of the series in my opinion. It wasn't topped by Wrestlemania 2000 that's for sure. All WM2k did was change the roster. The CAW was mediocre in WM2k but at least it was there. In No Mercy the CAW is greatly improved.

 

I say get it.. it is fun if you don't want to play 4 player.

[Guest converge241]

imo No Mercy is the all around best wrestling game ever.

Graphics are bad compared to some other games but that grappling system is the best, especially for multiplayer.

I could do without the problems with multiple wrestlers or managers on screen

The cage match and the limits on edits.

Dr Evil pretty much summed up all the flaws.

All in All I like it much better than Smackdown 3, which I have, and Raw on XBox

[Guest MaskedDanger]

Let me add my voice to chorus singing the praises of No Mercy. It's an awesome video game. True, it suffers from all of the flaws discussed in this thread (some of which will piss off some players more than others...me, I'm not really put off by any of them except the lack of a mask editor and even that is minor) but the gameplay is great (more substance than Smackdown, nowhere near as boring, glitchy and pissy as Raw, whose system I despise) and I think the graphics have a kind of...charm to them. I still play the game almost every day, even though I have a PS2.

 

Let me also suggest to anyone who loved No Mercy (if you're able or willing) to pick up its Japanese counterpart, Virtual Pro Wrestling 2. If there's a wrestling game that's better than No Mercy, it's this one (although it'd be a close contest). It's another AKI game made and released for the N64 only about a year before No Mercy. It has the same AKI system, the major differences being that VPW2 has a few more moves than No Mercy (mainly about ten million extra striking moves, but one or two extra grapples and ground submissions too), an AWESOME mask editor, three character types (wrestler, shootfighter or martial artist) and a roster than sports about every Japanese wrestler and shootfighter who was around at that time (if you like that kind of thing, and I do...copywrite laws in Japan are a lot looser than they are here, so the game has wrestlers from more feds than just All Japan Pro Wrestling, for whom the game was actually licensed). It also has a shootfighting mode that's like a whole other game; that's very cool. Throw in there a decent CAW system (quality falls about halfway between No Mercy and W2K), all the match types from the other games (except for ladder and, I think, cage), an interesting twist on the finisher system (everyone gets two front and back finishers, one for your standard finisher and the other for your super, one time only power-finisher) and a tournament mode that makes King of the Ring looks sick and you get one hell of a cool game.

 

Two other cool things about the game is that it doesn't slowdown like No Mercy and, overall, the AI is a LOT sharper than No Mercy. The AI on Mercy is okay, but no matter how much I play VPW2 I always have to struggle to win a match. Just seems more fun that way.  

 

Now, the bad side. It's Japanese, which means three things: (1) You might not find it stateside, at least for cheap, (2) if you do find it you need a converter to play it and (3) if you do play it it's all in Japanese. But, if you liked No Mercy, all of these things will be worth it (if you keep the price you pay to a reasonable amount). I got extremely lucky and won the game and the converter I needed to play it (along with an N64 and a copy of No Mercy) off of eBay for a STEAL. Also, the previous owner had already converted some of the game menus to English (an option you have in the game) before I got it, so, after printing off an English translation FAQ from Gamefaqs, I was ready to go.

 

Sorry to rant about this other game here in the No Mercy thread, but since it was an AKI game and I figured some of you guys might want to get it (or might already have it and want to talk about it), I hoped no one would mind.  

 

Now, I'm off to decapitate someone with a Strong Lariat...

[Guest Kaoz]

DrEvil,anyone would know you can't pin a wrestler in a ladder match.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

The game has a decent enough engine, but it is kind of slow.

 

My copy would erase sometimes, which prevented me from getting into the game like I thought I would. This was a pain not only when I created wrestlers, but when I bought stuff from the Smackdown Mall as well. Why bother doing something that will be undone?

 

If you were to buy it, you would have to tolerate out of date rosters.

 

The quest mode was somewhat questionable as well. You had to lose matches to access certain scenarios, which seemed kind of dumb sometimes.

 

These are the only knocks I have against the game. It was enjoyable for the  little while that I played it. If you really wanted to find a good wrestling game, I would reccomend Fire Pro D for Dreamcast. I got my hands on a copy of it this weekend aand was thoroughly surprised by how much I enjoyed the game. You might want to go online and find a guide that has english translations in it though since the menus are in Japanese. While this might seem like a pain in the ass, it is worth it since the Japanese aren't resticted by the licensing and copyright stuff. You can play many dream matches with wrestlers from all over (they have WWF, WCW, ECW and Japanese wrestlers) which adds appeal to it. The create a wrestler stuff is pretty good too. The game doesn't have ladder matches or guest referee matches or any backstage fighting or tables, but it does have exploding cage matches and barbwire matches.

[Guest BlackRainbow1025]

No Mercy is a cool game, if you are willing to deal with the slowdown and that fucking glitch.  If you have any interest or knowledge of puroresu, I'd get VPW2.  I think it's superior to No Mercy in many ways.  The post from MaskedDanger basically sums it all up.  As for the converter, just get a new GameShark.  It works fine.  It's all in Japanese but if you have Wrestlemania 2000, you'll figure out the menus pretty quick.  If not, there are lots of translations around online, give them a look.  I've seen VPW2 for as low as $20 in some video game stores so shop around.  I think it's worth it.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I'll just add in another voice of praise, yes No Mercy is the best wrestling game ever made. I keep around my N64 specifically for it, and still play it quite often.

The best game engine ever instituted for a wrestling game, the grapple system, and the way it works is easy to use, and allows execution of tons of moves.

It also has the best and easiest to use create a wrestler too. Doesn't take an hour, it's easy to create and tons of moves to choose from. Half the fun is creating and editing wrestlers to your liking.

It also has the best story mode. It isn't the greatest, but it is challenging, fun and logical (damn handicap matches though!)

 

Very few flaws, are the inability to edit current wrestler's move sets (which would have been nice), some slowdown with many players on screen and a crapy cage match that's hard to escape.

 

Otherwise there are many modes, (Royal Rumble and Survival are great fun), and collecting money for the Smackdown mall gives the game ENORMOUS replay value, being that I'm still buying new stuff to this day and updating the game, with more moves, outfits, secret wrestler, arenas and weapons.

 

Best Wrestling Game ever. I just wish the sequel was on PS2 and not Gamecube :-(

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

The flaws have pretty much been detailed by others, so I won't get it into.

I'd just like to add that the Championship mode is my favorite part of the game. The sheer amount of paths to earn the title is disturbing, really. Especially the IC title. Sure you have to lose some matches, but that's not really a flaw. Just weird.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Buy the game already. It's fun, just avoid tag team ladder matches. My second favorite create-a-wrestler of all time (behind Firepro-D).

[Guest mw679]

Just had to chime in on No Mercy...Yes, I would get the game. I still play it from time to time, when I can can pry myself away from Fire Pro D or my PS2. Anyway, I've read that a lot of people don't like the slow down, which is true, the game does slow down, but if you turn off the background music, the game doesn't slow down as much as it would if the music was on. Not sure if people knew that already but I didn't see anyone mention that point so...that's my 2 cents, get the game!

[Guest mesepher]

thanks for the help guys. Got the game for my birthday last Saturday and have been enjoying it. Does anyone know of any good CAW sites that have photos? I hate writing the specs down then having a crummy CAW.

 

thanks.

[Guest Jericholic82]

I love it.  Have been playing almost non-stop since I got it in November 2000. I am still finding new paths in the championship mode!  As for the glittch, mine seemed fine for awhile, but one time it did erase.  but maybe I accidently initialized the catridge? since that time I have had no probs.

 

its the best game of the old gen systems.I still havent gotten a next gen system so im stuck with my n64 (which i only have 8 games for, hey those games were expensive, but goldeneye 007 still rocks)

 

I updated the title changes, and when some one not in the game wins one, ill create them

and I just made a pretty good caw of maven

[Guest DubWiser]

goldeneye 007 still rocks

 

Indeed, and on a related note, if you still use the N64 and don't have "Perfect Dark", you're sleeping. Zzzzz...

 

Proceed.

[Guest DrEvil]

DrEvil,anyone would know you can't pin a wrestler in a ladder match.

Yeah, thanks, but finishing a match with a frog splash off the ladder through the announce table would so rule.

 

 

The CAW section at 411 is pretty good, they've got images of most wrestlers.  I can't speak for the quality because I just go there when I can't figure get stuck on something and need an idea. 411 Wrestling caw

[Guest Jericholic82]

Well I guess I am cheap.  Then again I have never had a job and I am 19, so I guess that also makes me lazy.  Ont he negative side, i don't drive so.

 

MAN IM A LOSER

 

MY DREAM HAS BEEN REALIZED!!!!

[Guest Cataclysm911]

DrEvil,anyone would know you can't pin a wrestler in a ladder match.

Yeah, thanks, but finishing a match with a frog splash off the ladder through the announce table would so rule.

 

 

The CAW section at 411 is pretty good, they've got images of most wrestlers.  I can't speak for the quality because I just go there when I can't figure get stuck on something and need an idea. 411 Wrestling caw

LMFAO@ their CAW's

 

HAHHAAHAHH

 

Apparently, whoever made them creates doesnt realize how big wrestlers are. He used the same medium build for every fuckin wrestler.

 

What a dumb shit.

[Guest]

If you don't have a Gamecube and aren't waiting for Wrestlemania X8 then yes, buy it.  It's great to create your own wrestler and wrestle your doosh bag friends and beat them into submission.  It's better than the Smack Down!(not sure about SD3) series because you can't hit your opponent from all the way across the ring without even being near each other.  And for another great wrestling game, get the import Fire Pro Wrestling D for the Dreamcast, ultimate customization baby!  You can get a translation guide for it at gamefaqs.com.

[Guest dreamer420]

Some people have claimed it's too slow?

- I have only found the game to be slow when four wrestlers are on screen at the same time.  A singles match with two wrestlers who have managers will make the game drag too.

 

How are the ladder matches

- Hard to win, but I guess that is a good thing.  

 

Does it top WCW/nWo Revenge?

- The matches are more smooth and more fun in Revenge, but the roster for No Mercy is wicked, and there are some really great features that No Mercy has that Revenge didn't.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

No Mercy is the best game so far, IMO. Its wrestling system is the most superior compared to the others released in the US (sans Fire Pro's since I haven't played it yet). The only major weak point was the countering system which was basically mash the button and try to counter when I played.

Sure the graphics are dated now, but it's still a great game to play.