Rob Black vs. Jay Bower

[Guest JJBotter]

This is straight from Rob Black's website...

 

"Rob Black says you can thank all the bleeding heart e-mails and phone calls that came into Extreme Associates today for his decision to bump up the "execution" of Bruiser the Chihuahua puppy. Originally scheduled to be snake chow for Snake Vegas the Burmese Python on Friday afternoon at 5 pm, Black says Bruiser can expect to go tomorrow.

 

Black: Today I came in and Kevin Kleinrock, general manager extraordinaire, informed me that we've been getting inundated with calls from Animal Control and the police department. On top of that there's wrestling websites reporting on this. There's this one website by this Jay Bower a columnist. He's a fucking douche bag. I want to go on record and say that Jay Bower is a douche bag. And let me tell you something, Jay Bower. Your mother sucks cunt. That's what your mother does. She sucks cunt. He said I'm a psychologically twisted individual. So Jay Bower, your mother sucks cunts. And your dad- when you're not around- when he's supposed to be at work, he's down he at our office getting fucked up his ass by six black guys pumping cum up your father's ass. But enough of you, Jay Bower. And then there's Stu Staks who is the editor-in-chief of Pro Wrestling Illustrated. A magazine which by the way gives us no press. He puts companies like Pocono Championship Wrestling in his fucking ratings category but he will not put XPW. We are ten times bigger than 70% of the garbage that he fuckin' covers but he doesn't cover us. So he called today to talk to Kevin Kleinrock. We thought he was he was calling to see how Vic Grimes was after the scaffold match. The biggest scaffold match in the entire wrestling business. The biggest fall. And he calls and says I didn't even know you guys had a show. Stu Staks, you're a fuckin' faggot. I heard you like to suck cock. I heard you love fuckin' taking cock up your ass. You love to be around all the young wrestlers, the young boys rollin' around in tights. And what do you ask Kevin? 'I didn't know you had a show. I was calling about the puppy that Rob was going to feed to the snake. And that it's wrong and I've been getting inundated by calls and you guys shouldn't do that.'

 

So this motherfuckin' guy of Pro Wrestling Illustrated- that's what he calls up to tell Kevin not to feed the fuckin' puppy to the snake. Stu Staks, let me tell you something. I wouldn't even give the pleasure of having you fuckin' suck your mother's cunt. Or your father gets fucked up the ass. No, no, no. That's too nice for you. You, my friend, we will have you come down our office and we will have seven fat ladies take turns shoving things up your ass because you're a homo faggot who loves sucking cock. And we'll film it and make a million dollars because the editor of Pro Wrestling Illustrated loves to suck cock. Alright you fuckin' scumbag. So let me tell you something. Because of the police, because of the magazine writers, the Stu Staks', the Jay Bowers and Animal Control- because of all of this- we are moving UP the execution day on Bruiser. We are stepping it up. And let me tell you something else. Because all you motherfuckers think you're smart and think you're savvy, because I said five o'clock, here it is. The video will be on the webvsite. But we're not doing it live. Oh no because we're bumping up the execution.

 

Tomorrow by midnight, Bruiser is going down and all you people out there can thank Jay Bower and Stu Staks for pushing up the execution date on fuckin' Bruiser. Let me tell you something. Brusier has been eating non-stop. He's already gained four pounds. We haven't fed the snake in three and a half fuckin' weeks. And Bruiser is going to be gobbled down in less than two and a half fuckin' minutes. So instead of it going down Friday night, it's going down tomorrow. And you can thank all you motherfuckers out there for creating such horrible press. There's nothing you can do about it. Because after Bruiser gets eaten by the snake we're going on because our receptionist has a fuckin' cat. She's got a Persian cat that weighs 21 pounds and that cat is going to be fed in three weeks to the snake. And if she doesn't give us the cat, she's going to be fired. So you can go to the fucking Labor Board because she's going to be fired unless she hands over the cat. She's bringing the cat tomorrow so we can start fattening him up. Because I told her when the snake eats the cat, the fuckin' thing has to go about 30 pounds. So Jay Bower, Stu Staks, Animal Control, police you can all thank yourself. The execution's pushed up. The dog's going down tomorrow and the cat is coming down three weeks later and you can all fuck yourselves! Thank you very much."

[Guest EI Cubano]

I don't think a 50 year old man could possibly sink any lower than holding a fucking CAT for ransom. His parents must be proud.

[Guest mykatissatan]

This guys a class act.  ::sarcasm::

 

If this isnt a work, which I have a feeling it is, then hes on my distinct list.  

 

He joins Osama bin Laden as one of the people I wanna feed to a hungry pitbull.

 

Seriously, what has gotten into people?  Makes me sick just thinking about it.

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

Of course, the reason I can't stand the lowlife is because he's feeding the dog, which shows he cares more about it than about Vic Grimes.

 

I like his comeback, too.  

 

Jay:  "I think that it's immoral for someone to make money off of cruelty to animals."

 

Black:  "Oh, yeah?  Well, your mama's a dyke!"

 

That speaks volumes about the ... well, I can't use the word "human" without insulting humans everywhere ... of course, I can't really use "lump of carbon" either, then ...

 

Ah, screw it.

[Guest muswp1]

And people wonder about why Paul Heyman told him to f%&$ off when he and his crew tried to get into ECW in 2000.  There is a reason only low life rejects and complete idiots are in his little group.  The comments he made about Jay were totally uncalled for and prove two things:

 

     1) Many, many people have seen Jay's writing on the website, have agreed with him, and are taking action.

 

     2) Rob Black needs therapy bad.

 

I honestly hope he finds some serious jail time in his future.

[Guest Nuinitari]

Any chance of feeding Rob to the snake?

[Guest muswp1]

Now THAT I would pay to see!

[Guest The Masked Yodeler]

I all I have to say is:

 

Jay, you're a good human being.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I'm glad that he is getting press because it exposes these assholes for what they really are. I believe in karma and one day Rob Black will be afflicted by a horrible event. I wouldn't pay to see one of his crappy shows or pornos, but I'd pay to see the man get his comeuppance.

[Guest Denny Burkholder]

What I find most intelligent about Black's whole spiel is that if he feeds a puppy to a snake, it's JAY and STU's fault. Think about that. "Two writers don't like me, so I'm going to kill an innocent animal, and it'll be THEIR FAULT!"

 

Well Jay, I believe the ultimatum has been laid down. You have just under 24 hours to save Rob Black from his own twisted sense of revenge. Of course, claims of "Jay Bower doesn't like me" probably won't earn him much sympathy from the police. "We declare Rob Black innocent on the grounds that he is not universally well-liked, and therefore is exempt from the laws that bind citizens who actually get good press."

 

Seriously, I'd like to see someone report this goof to the police just so I can see him try and use that defense. I'm not a pet person by any stretch, but I LOVE seeing idiots get theirs. I mean, this guy isn't just planning to commit a crime, but he's PREMEDITATING it for thousands of people on the Internet to read (which can be used as evidence), and defending his actions with reasoning that even the stupidest numbskull ought to find ridiculous.

 

Does he really think that if he kills two house pets, Internet fan will hold JAY responsible? Since when is it Jay's responsibility to protect Rob Black from his own idiotic actions? Is Black not a grown human being capable of making his own decisions?

 

Jesus... I feel stupider for even having to discuss this.

 

Denny

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hmm.  Someone should call Jerry Springer and send him over there ASAP to film it.  He could probably use the ratings.  It fits with the rest of the trash thats on that show.

[Guest GeorgeSouth73]

All I can say is that I'd much rather be a "douche bag" than "cool"  in Rob Black's eyes

[Guest J*ingus]

[lets cat out of bag]  Jerry Springer is a work, people.  As in, not real.  Kinda like wrestling.  

 

And also, I'd bet that the whole puppy deal is a work, too.  XPW and Black have a long history of promising/threatening things that never happen, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't just the latest of that proud linneage.  

 

A question.  What's worse: to feed a puppy to a snake and sell the videotape, or to claim that you're going to do it when you know you're lying?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Rob Black is a bitter piece of horseshit who shouldn't even be allowed to see the light of day. I hope he gets thrown in jail and gets used like he said Jay's dad gets used.

 

I would like to end this by saying Rob Black can burn in Hell.

 

What a fucking lowlife.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

You know, Jingus, you're probably right. It will more then likely end up about BS promotional stunt by Black that he can't deliver on.

 

BUT...

 

I still stand by what I said previously, even if he doesn't go through with it.

[Guest HybridNetwork]

What I find most intelligent about Black's whole spiel is that if he feeds a puppy to a snake, it's JAY and STU's fault. Think about that. "Two writers don't like me, so I'm going to kill an innocent animal, and it'll be THEIR FAULT!"

 

Well Jay, I believe the ultimatum has been laid down. You have just under 24 hours to save Rob Black from his own twisted sense of revenge. Of course, claims of "Jay Bower doesn't like me" probably won't earn him much sympathy from the police. "We declare Rob Black innocent on the grounds that he is not universally well-liked, and therefore is exempt from the laws that bind citizens who actually get good press."

 

Seriously, I'd like to see someone report this goof to the police just so I can see him try and use that defense. I'm not a pet person by any stretch, but I LOVE seeing idiots get theirs. I mean, this guy isn't just planning to commit a crime, but he's PREMEDITATING it for thousands of people on the Internet to read (which can be used as evidence), and defending his actions with reasoning that even the stupidest numbskull ought to find ridiculous.

 

Does he really think that if he kills two house pets, Internet fan will hold JAY responsible? Since when is it Jay's responsibility to protect Rob Black from his own idiotic actions? Is Black not a grown human being capable of making his own decisions?

 

Jesus... I feel stupider for even having to discuss this.

 

Denny

It would be pretty hard for Black to blame Jay and Stu for the killing as a way to get out of it. Black's comments were XTREMELY (HaHa! I'm witty like Rob Black! I spelled extreme with just an "X" instead of "ex". I'm proud of myself, I think I'll try to start a feud with Paul Heyman that I know I won't win) stupid. Aside from the retarded insults, he claims that Jay and Stu will be to blame for the killing of the dog. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't he going to kill the dog anyway? The only thing Jay did was attempt to stop the killing from occuring. Therefore Black got all "your mother sucks cunt" and decided to blame it on him. What a retard.

[Guest EI Cubano]

If you check out the XPW website (www.xpwrestling.com, but I'm sure all of you had it bookmarked anyway eh?), Rob has posted another similiar statement that makes it all the more obvious that the killing the dog a day early thing is just a publicity stunt to try and use the negative energy to promote himself as a badass. The feds are after him as we speak for a number of reasons so again I think it would be best to just remain silent and not give him the publicity that he wants.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

So it's not gonna happen, right? Is he gonna get charges filed against him as a result of his inhuman, psychotic behavior? What about this cat thing?

 

I called the North Hollywood ASPCA and they told me it was a hoax. I wanted to ask how they got that, but the guy hung up. Anyway, here were their numbers. They have two in two different area codes and I got 'em mixed up. So one in each pair is right.

 

 

(310) 644-7739

(310) 678-2839

 

(323) 644-7739

(323) 678-2839

 

 

I don't like to be civil too often, but thanks to everyone who called. I probably still don't like a lot of you, but at least you're decent human beings.

 

Kisses!

[Guest theWCWRaider]

I don't know what to say about Rob Black other than he needs to be taken out of society, and he must never ever be allowed to return.

 

I believe I read in one of Jay's posts that even his family bad mouths him...I don't know why that struck me as so ironic, but it did, and Rob Black is a sad psychotic creature.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

This guy sounds like he's 15 years olds. And he's a running a "wrestling" promotion? He makes Erich Bischoff look like a frickin' genius.

[Guest baghandz]

well, if nothing else it's certainly got a lot of people taking notice of rob black and xpw that wouldn't usually take notice of him........hmmmmmmm, interesting.

[Guest AaronMarco]

I'm thinking this is a work on the animal people...and everybody else, for that matter.

[Guest EI Cubano]

I don't think it started out as a work because the only place it was posted was on one of Rob's porno sites which gets an extremely low hit count. XPWrestling wasn't even linking to the story. From what I have been told by several people is that weirder stuff has actually gone down on the site so I wouldn't be surpised. Now that he has a shit load of people are after him he will probably try and play it off as though it was he is a genius who was working everyone and the "the puppy dies early" thing is obviously him trying to stir up more publicity which is why I am not really commenting any further on it.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Out of impatience, I ask again:

 

So it's not gonna happen, right? Is he gonna get charges filed against him as a result of his inhuman, psychotic behavior? What about this cat thing?

[Guest bob_barron]

looks like Mr. Black pulled a Vinnie Ru and SWERVED us.

 

Good job Jay getting this out in the open

[Guest Stupendous Man]

While reading Rob Black's little diatribe, only one image popped into my head, an extremely foul mouthed Dick Dastardly twirling his moustache in evil glee.  I half expected him to say, "Ah fuck feeding the fuckin' dog to the fuckin' snake.  We're gonna tie that little douche bag to the mother fucking train tracks and let the mother fucking train run the little douche bag over.  Coincidentally, the mother of the douche bag engineer sucks cunt.  That's what she does."

 

I honestly got flashbacks of 5th grade when swearing and mom jokes were badass.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

This guy is just making himself look like more of a jackass. Anyway, I hadn't read anything previously about Jay Bower calling him out (congrats on that btw), because the site isn't loading for me. So if there's a column up, could someone be so kind as to copy and paste it here so I can read it? Thanks!

[Guest RetroRob215]

As per request of Slapnuts...

 

Column #1: ...And People Say Vince McMahon is Satan

by Jay Bower

2/27/02

 

 

Anyone who has been reading my columns lately knows that I am not a fan of the XPW or it's owner Rob Black. In my last few updates I have been quite vocal about my thoughts on the way that he does business and protects his "wrestlers" and I felt as though I had harped on it long enough and it was now time to move on. Guess again...

 

This morning Zach Arnold from puroresupower brought something to my attention that really proved what a sick human being Black really is. As most of you know, Rob Black is a high roller in the world of pornography and specializes in the bizarre, much like his wrestling promotion does. Well his latest greed driven project is one of the sickest things that I have personally ever seen.

 

For the last week he has been photographing a "barely legal girl" (translation, she is 25) while she feeds a puppy plenty of nutritious food to fatten him up. At the end of the week the puppy will be in the perfect condition to be tortured and fed to a giant snake on a live webcast in the premium area on of his adult websites. The fact that there is even a market for this garbage makes me want to divorce myself from the human race. How a puppy being mutilated fits the mold of pornography I haven't a clue, but in my opinion people who enjoy scenes of rape, torture, and the death of an actual puppy are the kind of people who are very prone to repeat the acts and who have serious emotional issues that make them unsafe to the public.

 

The below link is the website advertising for this. Note that the cute little puppy is sitting in a fucking ELECTRIC CHAIR in some of the pics.

 

ExtremeAssociates.com

 

This practice is obviously illegal and hopefully can be stopped if brought to the proper authorities. I have never been one to try and save the world, but as a puppy owner and a guy who can recognize a man with psychological issues so deep seeded that he borders on evil, I would like to highly urge that you contact one of the following and let them know how you feel about this.

 

City of Los Angeles

East Valley Animal Care and Control Center

(818) 756-8445 and/or (818) 756-8446

 

The Webmaster of Rob Black's Website : Robert Zicari

(818) 779-6479

 

The XPW offices: (818) 755-8757

 

West Hollywood Animal Shelter: [email protected]

 

I appreciate it and while I feel like I have spent far too much time talking about XPW and Rob Black as it is, hopefully something good can and will come out of this. The dog is set to be tortured and killed on Friday so if you are going to contact someone please do it as soon as possible.

 

For those curious on just a little more background on Rob, a reader by the name of Mark sent this my way...

 

"He and Heyman were working on an agreement at one point to bring Black and

his porn crew into ECW. The deal did see Jasmine St Claire in ECW, but died

before Black could get himself and his protégé' Van Damage into ECW. When

the deal fell through, Black went to any publications, adult or otherwise,

that would listen and basically begged Heyman to take him back. He promised

to do anything, including steroids, to be a part of the action.

 

Black was born in Rochester, NY and is a relative of the Zane family (an

extremely large name in Porn) . The head of the Zane porn industry set up

both his son and his nephew (Black) with jobs in porn when each was down on

his luck. The family has since ostracized Black and verbally bashed him when

ever they are given the chance.

 

Black is the creator of such films as Ass Clowns (did Jericho get the name

from here?) and Sexual Atrocities. The latter features a woman being

violated with fish, witches being raped by witch hunters, and women, buried

up to the waist and dressed like flowers, oral pleasuring a rather large

crowd of men. Many of Black's films feature scenes of violence and rape. Not

my cup of tea.

 

On most of the Black produced films, he does wrestling style promos. On the

latest of these, you can usually see wrestlers working out in the

background. He has even used the XPW rings to film a few gang bang scenes.

 

He may have been married to Lizzy Borden (the porn star, not the axe

murder or the metal singer)"

 

And to think that all these years I thought I was the only one who got aroused by pleasuring my women with a trout.

 

For those of you who have been emailing me and asking, here is a link to a video clip of Vic Grimes nearly falling to his own death in a spot that could be seen as disastrous long before Grimes ever even started his descent...

 

XPW : Blatant Stupidity

 

I apologize for that tirade and after I let you guys know what happens with this situation I plan on never mentioning either Black or XPW again as they really don't deserve the publicity.

 

I will be back with a news update tomorrow and until then thanks for the support.

 

 

 

 

Column #2:In Follow Up to the Rob Black Story:

by Jay Bower

2/27/02

 

 

Hey,

 

Allow me to say how greatly thankful I am to everyone who has taken the time and effort to help out this cause. Zach Arnold of puroresupower.com broke this story this morning and as of the time I followed up on it this afternoon on the Smarks and A1wrestling I have received over 300 emails from readers offering to help, recounting their phone calls, and some even making threats. From lawyers to animal rights leaders and from retired police officials to fellow columnists, everyone has wanted to aid the puppy. Scores of calls have been made and the proper authorities are now aware of the situation and working to stop it. With that said, Please Halt All Calls and Emails To the Previously Listed Authorities. They are well aware of the situation and it is in their hands now. We did our part and we should be proud of that. They are on the case now and continuing to flood their boxes just serves to make it harder for them to find other viable complaints that haven't been brought to their attention yet.

 

Rob Black has responded and is now stating that the puppy will die tomorrow and there is no one to be blamed but ME. His response is a tirade against myself and Stu Staks of PWI. Amongst other things,  "My Mother sucks cunt". The response reads as follows...

 

Wanker Comments: In a stunning display of insanity, Rob Black smashed through the door of my office in a violent tirade and grabbed Bruiser by the collar and whisked him away! He was screaming at the top of his lungs blaming me for commiserating with Animal Rights Activists in an attempt to stop the impending execution of Bruiser, our chihuahua puppy. "You fucking gook! You trying to fuck with my shit! We're going to feed that fucking mutt tomorrow, you douche bag! If you don't fuck Blue Virus tomorrow, I'm gonna stab you with a fucking fork, you fucking Nipper! You like that?" He then grabbed a hunk of tobacco out of his mouth, threw it at my eye and punched a hole into my computer monitor!" He left my room after thoroughly trashing my room and threatening my life if I ever cooperated with authorities again! He had the following to say to Gene Ross in a late afternoon interview ...

Rob Black says you can thank all the bleeding heart e-mails and phone calls that came into Extreme Associates today for his decision to bump up the "execution" of Bruiser the Chihuahua puppy. Originally scheduled to be snake chow for Snake Vegas the Burmese Python on Friday afternoon at 5 pm, Black says Bruiser can expect to go tomorrow.

 

Black: Today I came in and Kevin Kleinrock, general manager extraordinaire, informed me that we've been getting inundated with calls from Animal Control and the police department. On top of that there's wrestling websites reporting on this. There's this one website by this Jay Bower a columnist. He's a fucking douche bag. I want to go on record and say that Jay Bower is a douche bag. And let me tell you something, Jay Bower. Your mother sucks cunt. That's what your mother does. She sucks cunt. He said I'm a psychologically twisted individual. So Jay Bower, your mother sucks cunts. And your dad- when you're not around- when he's supposed to be at work, he's down he at our office getting fucked up his ass by six black guys pumping cum up your father's ass. But enough of you, Jay Bower.

 

And then there's Stu Staks who is the editor-in-chief of Pro Wrestling Illustrated. A magazine which by the way gives us no press. He puts companies like Pocono Championship Wrestling in his fucking ratings category but he will not put XPW. We are ten times bigger than 70% of the garbage that he fuckin' covers but he doesn't cover us. So he called today to talk to Kevin Kleinrock. We thought he was he was calling to see how Vic Grimes was after the scaffold match. The biggest scaffold match in the entire wrestling business. The biggest fall. And he calls and says I didn't even know you guys had a show. Stu Staks, you're a fuckin' faggot. I heard you like to suck cock. I heard you love fuckin' taking cock up your ass. You love to be around all the young wrestlers, the young boys rollin' around in tights. And what do you ask Kevin? 'I didn't know you had a show. I was calling about the puppy that Rob was going to feed to the snake. And that it's wrong and I've been getting inundated by calls and you guys shouldn't do that.'So this motherfuckin' guy of Pro Wrestling Illustrated- that's what he calls up to tell Kevin not to feed the fuckin' puppy to the snake. Stu Staks, let me tell you something. I wouldn't even give the pleasure of having you fuckin' suck your mother's cunt. Or your father gets fucked up the ass. No, no, no. That's too nice for you. You, my friend, we will have you come down our office and we will have seven fat ladies take turns shoving things up your ass because you're a homo faggot who loves sucking cock. And we'll film it and make a million dollars because the editor of Pro Wrestling Illustrated loves to suck cock. Alright you fuckin' scumbag. So let me tell you something.

 

Because of the police, because of the magazine writers, the Stu Staks', the Jay Bowers and Animal Control- because of all of this- we are moving UP the execution day on Bruiser. We are stepping it up. And let me tell you something else. Because all you motherfuckers think you're smart and think you're savvy, because I said five o'clock, here it is. The video will be on the webvsite. But we're not doing it live. Oh no because we're bumping up the execution.

 

Tomorrow by midnight, Bruiser is going down and all you people out there can thank Jay Bower and Stu Staks for pushing up the execution date on fuckin' Bruiser. Let me tell you something. Brusier has been eating non-stop. He's already gained four pounds. We haven't fed the snake in three and a half fuckin' weeks. And Bruiser is going to be gobbled down in less than two and a half fuckin' minutes. So instead of it going down Friday night, it's going down tomorrow. And you can thank all you motherfuckers out there for creating such horrible press. There's nothing you can do about it. Because after Bruiser gets eaten by the snake we're going on because our receptionist has a fuckin' cat. She's got a Persian cat that weighs 21 pounds and that cat is going to be fed in three weeks to the snake. And if she doesn't give us the cat, she's going to be fired. So you can go to the fucking Labor Board because she's going to be fired unless she hands over the cat. She's bringing the cat tomorrow so we can start fattening him up. Because I told her when the snake eats the cat, the fuckin' thing has to go about 30 pounds. So Jay Bower, Stu Staks, Animal Control, police you can all thank yourself. The execution's pushed up. The dog's going down tomorrow and the cat is coming down three weeks later and you can all fuck yourselves! Thank you very much.

 

Oh, and by the way...CREDIT: www.extremeassociates.com/webmaster/snake00/ , I am sure they can use all the hits they can get.

 

 

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I am not quite sure how me, Zach or anyone can react to this except to play it by ear and trust that the authorities are dealing with it the best they can. I will do my best to keep you updated, but as I said, I am stepping away from the situation from here knowing that nothing else can be done on my part. Thanks again to everyone who contributed.

 

A grown man holding a cat ransom?

 

 

 

Now, for my thoughts.  I agree with what everyone else has said, but there is only one way to end this shit with Rob Black and the XPW.  All the of the big wrestling sites just have to stop giving him and his merry band of assclowns any publicity at all.  Don't mention his latest publicity stunts (unless he is breaking the law), don't mention the main events of his cards, don't mention the results of his shows (unless someone gets injured).  Obviously with his latest publicity stunt, he has caught the attention of people who never noticed him before.  And who's to say that some of the those people may now be more interested in purchasing XPW videos or frequenting their website on a regular basis?  Russo was right when he said, "Bad publicity is better than no publicity at all."

[Guest dreamer420]

I think we all knew what Rob Black was before this thing even started.  This just confirmed my opinion on him.  What he is doing is disgusting and hopefully he'll get what is coming to him one day.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I'm sure most of the people around here knew about him, but there are probably a few people who just found out how sick he can be.  I'm sure other wrestling sites have brought up the subject and we can't really speak for the people who frequent those other sites.