Help me out here, people.

[Guest Kibagami]

Okay, I have downloaded 6/3/94 and watched it. It is a swank fucking match. However, everybody who's been pimping this match out to me has emphasized the history and the backstory that makes the match -- the history and backstory that I've never seen, and really don't have time to, since it's roughly 2am right now.

 

Anyway, is there a site with a summary of the history of Misawa/Kawada that I could check out? Could some more knowledgeable puro people than myself condense it for me here? I must know of this history that explains Misawa no-selling those NASTY fucking kicks towards the end of the match...

 

S.

[Guest wolverine]

You need to watch their previous matches (singles, tags, 6-mans). There's no other way I can put it.

[Guest Kibagami]

Ah.

 

D'oh @ being too poor to afford tapes. Any Hotline servers I should check out for those matches? I have the tag match from 6/13/93, and the '98 match where Kawada finally pins Misawa, but I have yet to see the stuff that led up to 6/3/94.

 

S.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I can't be of help with downloading, but if you must have a summary of what the feud actually means, Justin Baisden has a fairly well-written summary of the feud written in his review of 6/3/94. For a link just look in the "read and don't forget folder" and it should be in his (Pegasus Kid's) signature. I would also recomend reading Chris Coey's Super Tag Review he did on his site that covers the major tags of the feud. Again, check in the "read and don't forget" thread to get the link.

 

Keep in mind, this is not going to give you a full understanding of the match, as actually seeing the tags and their singles matches prior to 6/3/94 is the best route.

 

Glad to hear you liked it, though. Many people feel underwelmed when watching it with no previous puroresu viewing.

[Guest Kibagami]

Oh, it's kind of hard not to appreciate Kawada getting dropped RIGHT ON HIS GODDAMN HEAD at the end of the match. (Y) @ unneccessary head-dropping.

 

The Baisden review helps a bit, but I'd still be interested in Hotline servers that have the preceding matches, if anybody can help me out with that later on.

 

S.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Glad to hear you liked it, though. Many people feel underwelmed when watching it with no previous puroresu viewing.

6/3/94 was the first AJPW match I ever saw. I thought it was terrible the first time I watched it. Let's just say my opinion of it has changed quite dramatically since then..

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Anyway, is there a site with a summary of the history of Misawa/Kawada that I could check out? Could some more knowledgeable puro people than myself condense it for me here? I must know of this history that explains Misawa no-selling those NASTY fucking kicks towards the end of the match...

 

S.

Dude, you need to ask Annie E for the pm I sent her, that recapped the set up for 6/3/94. Maybe I'll send it to you if I can find it.

 

 

Anyway, the no selling and rising out of the corner spot is much like the Sleeper/Backdrop spot at the beginning in that it is symbolic of Misawa taking Jumbo's place as "Da Man".

 

At the end of Misawa/Jumbo 9/1/90 match, Misawa(than #2) elbows Jumbo(da man) down into the corner, but Jumbo no sells, rises up, and than procedes to beat the shit out of Misawa.

 

Some other important spots:

 

The above mentioned Sleeper/Backdrop spot. Where Kawada goes for Jumob's sleeper, but Misawa counters with Jumbo's backdrop.

 

Kawada finally getting the better of Misawa an extended spots from their previous matches such as the Elbow Suicida.

 

Kawada unleashing years of built rage by kicking the shit out of Misawa and not attempting a pin.

 

Misawa attacking Kawada's leg is a throwback to the 93 tag match when Kawada's leg finally gave out after a year of abuse in almost every damn match. Earlier in the match, Kawada tried to work over Misawa's injured shoulder, but failed.

 

In their 93 singles match, Misawa beat Kawada with three straight release Germans and a Tiger Suplex. In 6/3/94, Misawa tries the German, but Kawada escapes and hits Misawa's injured shoulder with two Rolling Koppo Kicks.

 

And of course the ending.

[Guest Jubuki]

*vomit*

 

I don't know if I've seen a good review of the feud anywhere. Anywhere.

 

And can we get a question round here that's actually longer than the signature of the person asking? Please?

[Guest TheHulkster]

I don't have all the matches, but I have a few of the matches leading up to Misawa Vs Kawada:

Jumbo Tsuruta Vs Mitsuharu Misawa

Jumbo Tsuruta Vs Toshiaki Kawada

Kawada & Taue Vs Kobashi & Misawa

 

if they are of any help, check them out (and don't be afraid to drop a brother a few good matches that I don't have if you have any

)

[Guest PlatypusFool]

The 'head-dropping' at the end of 6/3/94 is quite possibly the most meaningful move ever utilized in any wrestling match ever (obviously an unmeasuarable quantity, but just to get my point across). Hardly "unnecessary".

[Guest Kibagami]

Um...very well. I have changed my mind.

 

(Y) @ necessary head-dropping.

 

S.

[Guest Kibagami]

Okay, having re-watched the match after reading Baisden's summary....that match fucking rules it. Hard.

 

I've downloaded quite a bit more puro recently...I do believe I like this stuff.

 

S.

[Guest DrTom]

6/3/94 was the first AJPW match I ever saw. I thought it was terrible the first time I watched it.

It was my first exposure to AJPW, too, after watching only the juniors action previously. I thought it was an excellent match right away, even without knowing the backstory. I've heard it called the greatest match ever, and while I don't agree with that, it's certainly very, very awesome.

[Guest wolverine]

"I've heard it called the greatest match ever"

 

I haven't - at least not from anyone whose opinion I trust.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Maybe the best men's single match. Probably in my top 6-7 all time. Still, a fantastic, mindblowing match.

 

Tim

[Guest wolverine]

I need to rewatch both matches, but I think Tamura-Kohsaka just may be better than 6/3/94.

 

Still, I've always thought Dream Rush and 12/6/96 were better than it anyway.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

It's hard. I think Misawa/Kawada takes the HEIGHT of what a singles match between two guys, with a series of previous matches, and a large background.

 

What they did with every move to build up to that 25 minute powerbomb and then the next 10 minutes just sticks out to me as something I don't think I will see again.

 

Tamura/Kohsaka is the best worked shoot I have ever seen. I just wish it wasn't so much different than 6/3/94 so that I could compare.

 

As for 12/6/96, initially I didn't think it was better than 6/3 but after being educated and watching the build up and the match itself numerous times, the final 15 minutes is so rich with everyone playing their role perfectly that it must be placed ahead.

 

A match that keeps falling a little bit tends to be 6/9/95. It is still way up there and a definitive classic, but I keep finding little things that bother me (Taue not being as good there as he is in 12/6, Kobashi crying over his leg even though he did the same thing to Kawada during the 1993 RWTL).

 

DreamRush is tops though. Too much GREAT stuff to be passed up.

 

Tim

[Guest wolverine]

Nice to see you place Hokuto-Kandori as high as you did. Hokuto's performance in that match is without question the best I've ever seen in pro wrestling. But there's other matches that have more personal meaning to me, which is why I don't place it as high as some would.