Kids use Benoit's finisher...

[Guest notJames]

Un-fucking-believable...

 

Even though the actual wrestling content is negligible, the interest groups are sure to pounce on the fact that wrestling was even remotely mentioned.

 

Like I've always said, the root of all these "evil" kids isn't television, it's bad or non-existent parenting.

 

Guess who still gets blamed, though?

 

Edit: Here's the actual story from the Star Tribume:

 

Milwaukee Boys Describe Beating

By JULIET WILLIAMS

Associated Press Writer

 

Published Oct 3, 2002 1003AP-CHILD-MOB-BEA

 

MILWAUKEE (AP) - The intensity of violence by the mob of boys who beat a man with broomsticks, shovels and poles shocked even one of the attackers, according to the youth's confession to police.

 

"If I had known he was beat that bad, to tell the truth I would not have touched him at all," the 14-year-old boy wrote. "I do not want him to die because my tooth is not more important than his life is. I'm sorry."

 

The attack Sunday night left 36-year-old Charlie Young Jr. unconscious and bleeding from head to toe on a friend's porch. He died Tuesday after he was taken off life support.

 

Police said they found the porch littered with bloody sticks, boards, rakes, chairs and beer cans.

 

Authorities say the violence began after a 10-year-old hit Young with an egg. Young struck the 14-year-old in the mouth and knocked out a tooth, prompting a growing group of boys to go after him in retaliation.

 

In their statements, obtained by The Associated Press, the boys of ages 10 to 18 give graphic details of beating Young, whom they knew by the street names "June" and "380."

 

A 16-year-old described how he jumped back each time he struck Young with a shovel handle so the blood wouldn't get on his clothes. Eventually, he said, the shovel handle split in two as he used it to bash Young over the head.

 

Another boy said he held the already bloody Young in a wrestling move called a "cripple cross face hold," so the others could beat the man in the face.

 

"This group of kids just kept getting bigger as word spread throughout the neighborhood," Assistant District Attorney Joy Hammond said. "It's chilling."

 

The Milwaukee Police Department had 14 youths in custody Thursday, Lt. Kenneth Grams said. Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann said prosecutors had not yet decided what charges to file but were considering homicide.

 

Under Wisconsin law, anyone under 16 is considered a child, and some of the boys must be released or charged by Thursday afternoon.

 

The 10-year-old arrested in the case could become the youngest person in the United States ever to be charged as an adult with homicide, juvenile justice observers told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

 

McCann said he was horrified by the spontaneity of the crime, which he described as one of the worst he's seen in 34 years on the job.

 

"It's tragic and it's violent. This is a tragedy unfolding for the whole community, the victims and the children," he said.

 

Juvenile Court Commissioner Dennis Cimpl ordered three more children held Wednesday, saying they were a threat to the community and obviously had no parental supervision if they were allowed to roam the streets around 11 p.m. None of their parents appeared in court.

 

Cimpl had ordered five detained Tuesday.

 

A 16-year-old was released Wednesday because there was not enough evidence to hold him, McCann said.

 

The boys say in their confessions that they lost track of Young for a while after chasing him through the neighborhood but laid in wait because they suspected where he might be headed - to a friend's home he thought was a safe haven.

 

The beating continued there. A witness said she heard screams of "Help me!" and then watched from a window as the mob hit Young.

 

Several of the boys have prior records for drug or burglary charges, and some acknowledged gang affiliations such, although police do not believe the attack was gang-related.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Of course the sad thing is the Crippler Crossface (or ANY variation of a crossface (i.e. chicken wing, ect) ) is a perfectly acceptable brawl maneuver in that sort of situation (or in other senarios like you are trying to get your friend out of a fight you might slap a wing on)

 

Basically I could see if they were giving the guy repeated piledrivers, power bombs, (and both be of the severly sloppy style) stunners, leg drops, or any of the more convultuted pro-wrestling moves (most of course require participation of the victim of course) THEN I could blame wrestling

 

This was just sick gang mentality, same shit that went on LONG before the porliferation (sp) of violence in our culture (music, video games, wrestling, Jerry Springer/Cops style shows, ect) its just that the culture shined a big spotlight on it by making the music mainstream, by making video games mainstream, by making these shows the mainstream.

 

Maybe its more chicken-egg than people think, but I guess the bottom line is thugs are thugs because of what they hang around, not neccessarily what they watch or listen to.

 

10 years old? My God. Thats probably the most disturbing part of the whole story

 

Steve

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

what does this have to do with wrestling?

 

pretty fucked up store either way

[cawthon777 0]

I just love it when the media jumps all over wrestling and then can't even spell the moves right.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

>Another boy said he held the already bloody Young in a wrestling move ?>called a "cripple cross face hold," so the others could beat the man in the >face.

 

Another point, get some facts a little straight, its "CRIPPLER" Crossface and unless they were all kicking Young in the face there isn't much they could have done to the face part of the body, head yes but if it was done right they would be doing damage to the guy holding Young down (to the arms/hands) (hence "cross-face" his hands are across his face right at the bridge of the nose)

 

I don't know why I like correcting things like that, it just shows the stupidity and sickness of the whole situation (that they thought they were doing a crossface when they may have been doing a completely different move

[Guest Rob Edwards]

The worrying thing about all this is some attourney is bound to try and get Benoit to testify to bring attention to his case

[Guest Brian]

As if Nash and Trips needed more reason to bury him.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Kid's that are this fucked up to begin with are gonna wind up killing people whether they use wrestling moves or not.

[Guest evilhomer]

None of their parents appeared in court.

That's just something that really grabbed my attention. It's bad enough that they leave your kids unsupervised, allowing them to roam the streets late at night, but then to not show any support or supervision after the fact is appalling.

[Guest notJames]

They probably realized that their lack of parenting skills probably brought their children to this state, and stayed away out of shame.

 

Dollars to donuts, though, they were at home passed out on their living room floor littered with fifths of cheap vodka while Springer was on the tube... that or getting pimp-slapped by Huggy Bear because they didn't bring in enough whore money from the night before.

 

Sorry for the rant... being a parent is hard enough without having to hear about crap like this. I'll try to throw in a HHH-bash next time

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

The worrying thing about all this is some attourney is bound to try and get Benoit to testify to bring attention to his case

Considering I doubt these punks are much above mark level I would bet if asked who does that move it probably be "Chris Jericho" or "Kirk "You Suck" Angel" (and yes the'd probably butcher his name) or worse "The Rock"

 

Steve

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Sorry for the rant... being a parent is hard enough without having to hear about crap like this. I'll try to throw in a HHH-bash next time  

If they-uh had used-uhhh the predegree-uhhhhh unstead of-uh cripp...

 

Bah...I can't even do it

 

TOSS THE PARENTS IN JAIL WITH THE LITTLE BASTARDS! They obviously didn't do their job...

[Guest bob_barron]

Good lord-

 

I say lock the parents up as well.

[Guest notJames]

The worrying thing about all this is some attourney is bound to try and get Benoit to testify to bring attention to his case

Considering I doubt these punks are much above mark level I would bet if asked who does that move it probably be "Chris Jericho" or "Kirk "You Suck" Angel" (and yes the'd probably butcher his name) or worse "The Rock"

 

Steve

I recall that one case in Florida where that 14-year-old (I think) killed his younger cousin using "wrestling moves"... the Rock was actually subpoaened to appear at the trial as an "expert witness". He got out of it...

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I recall that one case in Florida where that 14-year-old (I think) killed his younger cousin using "wrestling moves"... the Rock was actually subpoaened to appear at the trial as an "expert witness". He got out of it...

Actually...this piece of this just beat the kid to death and said he was using wrestling moves...honestly, he just pounded, kicked, and threw that poor girl around.

 

I thought they had some wrestler on the stand though

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Hey heres a point,

 

Why in ANY of these "lets blame the violence on TV" doesn't ANYONE go after the James Jeffries, Jack Johnsons, Jess Willards, Gene Tunneys, Jack Dempseys, Joe Louises, Sugar Ray Robinsons, Jake LaMattas, Rocky Marchianos, Sonny Listons, Muhammaed Alis, Joe Fraizers, Michael Spinkses, Mike Tysons, Marvin Hagglers, Ray Mancinis, (who actually DID cause a death in the ring) Tommy Hearns, Roberto Durans, Roy Joneses, Oscar De La Hoyas, Evander Hoylifields and all the other legendary boxers through the years for bringing a violent nature to mainstream society?

 

Hmmm I wonder...

 

Could it be that boxing in financially backed by major sponsers that the WWE only salivates over (or won't get otherwise they'd lose their intended audience) and thats beer, airlines, casinos, cars, ect

 

Could it be that if the media ever came down hard on boxing that it would have to open many pandora's boxes that they think are better left closed (drugs, fights not on the level, the usual shit)

 

But it just amuses me, and this is a topic for another day, that its allright for two guys to scramble each others brains with not so heavily padded fists but two guys coregraphically doing violent, and pre-planned, things to each other is systmatically destroying our society?

 

BTW I could say the same for football and hockey and all their realitives (soccer, rugby, lacrosse, ect) BTW

 

Steve

[Guest HartFan86]

If WWE gets blamed for this (more specifcally Benoit), I'll be PISSED.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I want to see what happens if they focus on the move during the trial. I can see the judge asking for the list of injuries (various injuries due to beating) and then asks to see the move itself and someone just sits there holding an arm and the head. I want to see the judge laugh in their face after comparing injuries to the move that the media will inevitably focus on.

[Guest notJames]

But it just amuses me, and this is a topic for another day, that its allright for two guys to scramble each others brains with not so heavily padded fists but two guys coregraphically doing violent, and pre-planned, things to each other is systmatically destroying our society?

They may as well go after Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal, Sammo Hung(!), and Jet Li, 'cuz it's basically the same thing, eh? I'm sure those kids saw their fair share of Kung Fu movies, too. But will those angry anti-violence parent groups keep that stupid Jennifer Love Hewitt movie off the silver screen?!? NOOOOO!!!

 

[Guest DerangedHermit]

None of their parents appeared in court.

That's just something that really grabbed my attention. It's bad enough that they leave your kids unsupervised, allowing them to roam the streets late at night, but then to not show any support or supervision after the fact is appalling.

Their parents are probably druggies/dipshits/dead/incarcerated/unknown.

[Guest Gary Busey]

Wrestling isn't even in the equation in this situation-- it mentioned that one of the attackers used a wrestling move, I didn't see a mention of wrestling (or the general media) being blamed at all. The sheer brutality of the attack, coupled with the lack of parental safe guards, will most likely be the focus.

 

Interesting points on calling the kids marks-- intelligent wrestling fans obviously couldn't commit a heinous crime, eh? Ones intelligence very rarely has any effect on ones actions when gang mentality, or even vigilantism, are in effect.

 

Boxing doesn't get a bad reputation in most cases because it is not marketed to children, does not intentionally use over-the-top story lines and is not that popular. Wrestling buy rates far outweigh those of boxing nine times out of ten. Media goes for the easy target; in most cases wrestling and high profile movies. Ask most kids who they would rather be like, Mike Tyson or The Rock-- the answer is obvious.

 

Why did they gloss over the wrestling move, and not take the time to triple check the spelling of the move and interview various wrestling personalities on their thoughts and what not? Because, when looking at the story as whole, it means nothing. A group of children used a shovel to cave a man's skull in. Think about that.

 

Benoit, nor any other wrestlers, are going to be called to testify or even questioned. The case in Florida used wrestling as a scapegoat because the case was so weak. There is so much evidence in this case that the neighborhood itself, the parents within and the children will be the focus of the trial.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Well, the PTC agreement said they'd stay out of Vince's business forever, IIRC. So the backlash on this one should not be nearly so big.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Interesting points on calling the kids marks-- intelligent wrestling fans obviously couldn't commit a heinous crime, eh? Ones intelligence very rarely has any effect on ones actions when gang mentality, or even vigilantism, are in effect.

 

Fair enough, I figured that they probably were marks by the misspelling of the move's name (though could have been a typo of course) and the fact that it sounded like they used the move in the wrong way (so they could attack the guy's face where in the actual move applied the face isn't well exposed unless you kick they guy) Just saying they didn't understand fully what they were doing which tends to happen. Plus they called it a wrestling move, I would think stuff like that shouldn't be mentioned as its a simple take down hold unless you are trying to impress someone especially when confessing to a cop (i.e. you wouldn't say "Then I gave him a Last Ride" you'd say, "Then I picked him up and dropped him on his neck") which is the sign of a "mark"

 

Boxing doesn't get a bad reputation in most cases because it is not marketed to children, does not intentionally use over-the-top story lines and is not that popular. Wrestling buy rates far outweigh those of boxing nine times out of ten. Media goes for the easy target; in most cases wrestling and high profile movies. Ask most kids who they would rather be like, Mike Tyson or The Rock-- the answer is obvious.

 

That much I'll give you, but its still a slight double standard as I mentioned, boxing you ARE trying to harm your opponent while pro wrestlers take all percautions NOT to do so much harm to their opponent and themselves

 

Benoit, nor any other wrestlers, are going to be called to testify or even questioned. The case in Florida used wrestling as a scapegoat because the case was so weak. There is so much evidence in this case that the neighborhood itself, the parents within and the children will be the focus of the trial.

 

I hope you're right and this conversation is where the wrestling connection with this ends

 

Steve

[Guest SupaTaft]

They punch in wrestling.

 

Why do they not blame wrestling for every single street fight?

 

Idiots...

 

The kid probably couldn't do it right anyways...

 

-Taft

[Guest Trivia247]

Its all JADO's Fault! not Benoit! nah these kids probably never saw Puro. Its obviously the Parents fault that they can't control their own kids, and the kids fault pretending to be some Junior lord gang screwing with people. if kids were trying to mess with me or my family i'd stop thinking them as kids and start Punching them dead in the face!

[Guest Sandman9000]

Well, I think being beaten with shovels and bats and other assorted objects killed the poor guy more then a wrestling hold did.

 

The idea of blaming wrestling should fade quickly, but you never know.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

"If I had known he was beat that bad, to tell the truth I would not have touched him at all," the 14-year-old boy wrote. "I do not want him to die because my tooth is not more important than his life is. I'm sorry."

 

Bullshit, you're sorry. No, I take that back, you're sorry just because you're in deep shit, not because you killed someone. Jesus Christ, the kid was 10 years old, what the fuck did you think was going to happen when he got beaten with shovels and all that by a gang of ppl, some of which were 18?!?!

[Guest EMAXSAUN]

thats fucked. one of the kids is 10 and has been smoking pot for months, and one is 14, and already is the father to a baby girl. these kids need to be locked up, as well as the parents. its a shame how corrupt the youth of america is becoming

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Here's a fun fact: Milwaukee has the highest murder rate per capita. Chicago and New York sure got lucky. Take THAT you stupid Cheeseheads, with your fine sausages and resort towns that Illinoisans are so compelled to visit.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Doesn't the WWE get it? These kids put him in a Crippler Crossface, not a sleeperhold or a pedigree. They didn't even hit him with a high knee to the face. BENOIT IS OVER, even with the kids! Trips isn't.