Edge

[Guest AndrewTS]

I feel Edge is a good worker. A step or two below

Angle, Benoit, and Eddy, but if we're grading on a curve in the WWE, he's easily a B. He sold well on SD and pulled off some good psychology. Angle still showed him up a little on the mat, but he didn't seem lost or anything. Certain folks, like Angle marks asSault him as being a lousy worker. Not everyone can be Angle, though.

 

However, his promo style and the way he's booked is what gets to me, like the more moderate posters here. Heat vacuum is a little harsh, because I think of "mucho cool heels" like Nash and HHH currently. However, he seems to make his heel opponents look bad at every turn. I'm shocked that he wasn't put on the same roster as Jericho then booked to--wait---*remembers*--that's already happened.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Bps, how can you critisize Edge for not improving when your messiah (RVD) has been wrestling the same match since 1996.

I was about to say that too. RVD is the same person he was last year as well. But I know that bps will never admit to it nor admit to Edge ever improving in pretty much anything.

 

Oh, as for Christian, the constant use of weak restholds in 2-3 minute matches, which is inexcusable for a guy of his size, has soured my opinion of him. Although I did like his entrance. Disdain for Edge has equated to sympathy for Christian which is pretty lame if you ask me.

[Guest godthedog]

It wasn't the matches themselves it was the promos and the whole hair cutting thing. Edge treated Angle like he was out of his league the whole time.

half the roster does this, you're going to single out EDGE for it?

 

the rock buried his opponents on the mic all the time, and steve austin did it before he did.

 

and how can anyone say edge hasn't been improving? look at his selling. it's gone from inconsistent to smooth & amazing. edge's selling of the ribs tonight was almost perfect: never forgetting it (at least never that i noticed), taking the time to sell it even when he was transitioning back to offense, even selling his own belly-to-belly suplex like it hurt himself almost as much as angle. it was like he was channeling the spirit of ricky steamboat and it really helped hold the match together, i was blown away.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Once again it's not me saying Edge isn't a good worker. I've loved every minute of his matches tonight and last week.

 

Oh and if you've been around long enough you'll know I DO say the same things about The Rock.

[Guest CanadianChick]

If people don't think that Edge has improved, they have blind hatred for Edge or they are blind.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Didn't Angle belittle everyone in the Alliance angle, as a face?

 

I seem to recall him telling Booker to go back to Soul Train.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I've always said that Edge was a better worker than RVD.

 

I also said that Edge is way too stale.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Who didn't belittle Booker T back then. I hate that. Booker T is still trying to recover from that.

[Guest godthedog]

Once again it's not me saying Edge isn't a good worker. I've loved every minute of his matches tonight and last week.

 

Oh and if you've been around long enough you'll know I DO say the same things about The Rock.

the point is that rocky isn't the only one who does it. everybody does it. it's par for the course in being a babyface in this company not to take your opponent seriously. austin did it, jericho did it...singling out edge for it is as futile as the smarks who criticized angle earlier this year for throwing too many punches in his matches: it's not his fault, he's working within the limits of the style imposed on him.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I'm going to catch a lot of heat for the following comments, but here goes:

 

-bps, you may think Edge is stale, but others may think the same about RVD.

 

-Also, regarding Edge belittling people - I can believe it when it involves Eddy for instance, but Angle? No. Why?

 

Because he was the worst for doing that during his Big Face Push of 2001. He made Alliance guys like Raven, Hugh Morrus, Mike Awesome, Hurricane Helms and Tommy Dreamer look like complete jobbers by beating them up at will. If anything made the Alliance look like chumps, it was Angle treating them like nothing. Not only that, but Angle constantly got the better of Steve Austin, even making him CRY, which was unheard of. And for what? Two dissapointing PPV buyrates in Summerslam and Unforgiven.

 

That is why I can't really buy Angle being "ruined" by Edge. Because he did the same thing himself, only worse.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

RVD may be stale too...

 

but I don't see him getting the constant backing.

 

In fact...wasn't that him I saw teaming with Tommy Dreamer on RAW?

 

They keep Edge up with the big boys, so he deserves the criticism when he hasn't changed his act in...you know...years.

 

I want Edge to be a heel so that he can not be such a vanilla face.

 

He represents to me everything that the WWE will push until the last person is sick of him.

 

Well...Person #1 just signed up.

[Guest AndrewTS]

It wasn't the matches themselves it was the promos and the whole hair cutting thing.  Edge treated Angle like he was out of his league the whole time.

half the roster does this, you're going to single out EDGE for it?

 

the rock buried his opponents on the mic all the time, and steve austin did it before he did.

Half the roster? Okay...let's see examples--oh, TWO main eventers, who most of the time were facing each other or already established main eventers? That hardly is a strong case.

 

Most of the roster hardly gets any mic time, and when they do they don't bury their opponents the way the "hilarious" Rock and Edge do.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Has Edge has recieved a World title shot since his Big Push?

 

Did RVD not pin Rock, Austin, Angle, Jericho and HHH while each were holding a World title?

 

While RVD may not have had "constant backing", it's not like he's been receving a Lance Storm push either.

[Guest the pinjockey]

One thing they could try to do to make Edge less stale instead of turn him heel would be to actually have someone threaten him. Whenever he loses to someone he either gets his heat back immediately or he beats them in a rematch the very next week. How can you really get behind a character when you know they will be fine in the end?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'd take Edge push over RVD's 4 false elavations any day.

 

Guess which one will actually win the world title one day.

 

And I don't mean the RAW title.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

That was always a problem of mine. Edge looked so damn strong but never really got pushed. Why have him go over a main eventer if he's not going to the main event?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but DAMN has edge been on the roids. Easy there bacne! Him and Angle made HHH look like - err... (tries to find a wrestler who hasn't done steroids)... err.. Drew Carey.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I don't think Edge is on roids. His body hasn't really ever changed since he's come to the WWE.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Dude, his whole back was covered in pimples.

 

It's the HHH syndrome. Get roided up - Get a push (99 HHH that is)

[Guest art_vandelay]

I agree that Edge is lacking that main eventer "spark," but one thing that is not going to get that for him is a heel turn. They're building him up to super-face level and as of today, they're closer than they've ever been with him before. Let them finish it. Let the fans embrace Edge before using up the heel turn. Not only would it be unneccessary as it pertains to the heel/face ratio on SD, but it would also nullify all the audience-conditioning done since Backlash.

 

I look at heel/face turns as options when a character can go no further with his/her current shtick, I definitely don't feel Edge is in need of that right now. He's only a couple steps from the top.

[Guest Special K]

I have a single, salient point against Edge. He can;t cut a unjoky promo. His wrestling isn't great, nor bad, but a serious face has to be able to cut a serious promo. before people say RVD can't do it either, He has to be able to do it as well, but at least he's making progress. Edge is still the 'fun luvin' guy '

[Guest tombstone]

Edge is doing well. I think he is close to being the no.1 face on SD! (and thus in the COMPANY) and his only real competitrors for this are the Undertaker and Rey, who for seperate reasons will have to step down soon.

 

He does need a hair cut, an edgier (ha ha) spiky style probably.

I Like edge's tights as long as they are white with black & gold writing or black with white & silver.

Edge does need to find a catchphrase better than Edgeheads and get a bit more focussed (the dork thing does not a main eventer make)

Some intensity, like when he gets pissed and spears everyone is good. The sharpness he showed in the feud with the Hardys (you can't beat us...) would work, and some indignation at being cheated out of a title shot (or something) would work to set up the last and most logical step in his development before he is thrust into the ME.

A feud with Benoit.

Mick Foley says all a heel needs is motivation and benoit's motivation can be that Edge, a supposedly inferior worker keeps getting all these pops and a title shot. make Edge look competitive against Brock until Benoit interferes, setting up a two month or more second tier feud where Edge can further hone his technical ring skills while taking part in a much exposed feud. If he comes out of that intact, then he is ready for a shot at Brock - Angle - taker, whoever is champion.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Reason RVD went over so many people is..because unlike Edge..he was really, really over.

 

Edge had to be forced to get where he's at now.

[Guest Dale Newstead]

Edge is dynamite in the ring, he's no Benoit or Angle but I find he just wrestles a different style to them. He has the connection with the fans that he needs, but like the rest of you, I agree that he needs more of a spark to his character and needs to be less goofy.

 

But you can also blame his goofiness on the booking team, if they were serious about his push they'd tell him to stop making jokes in his promos.

 

Also with Angle, I blame the booking team again, because they took him from being an intense badass face who would kick all ass to being a dork again and softening up his character in September.

 

And as for RVD, he's pretty stale in the ring if you ask me, he's like a robot and is no where near Edge in workrate. Though in saying this, he should have gone over HHH no questions asked.

[Guest Goodear]

Reason RVD went over so many people is..because unlike Edge..he was really, really over.

 

Edge had to be forced to get where he's at now.

So, what you're saying is that they pushed Edge and it worked. THAT BASTARD!

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Well, push almost anybody hard enough..no matter how much they suck, and they'll get over. (HHH)

[Guest Brian]

Test? Rocky (version 1)?

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

What happen with Billy Gunn then?

[Guest Ram]

Edge is really moving up, and Angle is really teaching the kid how to wrestle the right way.

 

All he needs is a better character, and a heel turn might be the right thing right now, if only there weren't so many heels already on Smackdown.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

My take on Edge: good -> very good worker, has been having very good matches lately (albeit it w/ Eddy & Angle). Good talker, but needs to show he can be serious on the mic.

 

However, I'm just not into him, there's just no connection with me. Sure, I'd like to see him pushed over guys like Taker, Kane, HHH, but he's also behind a bunch of other guys I'd prefer to see pushed.