One point in Anglesault's defense

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

I was watching Angle's comments in the Seattle press confrence and the fans were WHAT!?ing him.

 

I can understand the rythmitic "YOU-SUCK! YOU-SUCK!" with "Medal" but Austin hasn't been seen in the WWE since June, not to mention it has really died down (mostly because heels have been talking through the whats!? )

 

So now Angle can't get rid of being the guy that fans say WHAT everytime he talks.

 

Of course the flip side is that Kurt loves every second of it but then again the fans layed off calling Owen Hart "NUGGET!" fairly quickly after that particular fad died down and there are alot of simmilarities in Owen's and Kurt's heel personas.

 

Okay well except that Owen was never portrayed as a bumbling dork who didn't realize that he was doing dorky things.

 

Steve

[Guest saturnmark4life]

i never understand these moronic arguments about angle's heat being diminished. Is it like the ankle lock isn't over? i mean he goes in there and has great matches, i've never seen how he's not credible. relax.

[Guest Anglesault]

You can be over an not credible. Credible means you could win the title at anytime.

[Guest Banky]

Angle CAN win the title at anytime. I understand as a Kurt Angle fanboy that you feel he is always being shafted but trust me, he is doing just fine. He is over, credible, and a major part of the show. One day you shall understand that. Till then, we'll be forced to hear about Angle being dicked around after every Smackdown and PPV - joy!

[Guest permagrinning]

well wouldn't that make only HHH credible in the WWE, by that definition? Well, that is, as long as he's the GAME - UH!

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle CAN win the title at anytime. I understand as a Kurt Angle fanboy that you feel he is always being shafted but trust me, he is doing just fine. He is over, credible, and a major part of the show. One day you shall understand that. Till then, we'll be forced to hear about Angle being dicked around after every Smackdown and PPV - joy!

If they were to have Angle vs. Undertaker tomorrow, not one mark would give Angle a shot. That's not credible.

[Guest Banky]

I would! I am a believer though. C'mon, prediciting future title holders is easy. Since you have access to the internet, you know who the WWE is planning on pushing - thus your feelings are a tad bias. But really, if you knew Edge was a #1 contender getting a title shot at the Survivor Series, and it was Angle vs. Undertaker the night after No Mercy, you are damn rights I'd think Angle could win. The internet ruins a lot of objectivity when it comes to predicting TV main events. More than likely, the challenger won't win, hence it is easy to discount Angle. But make no mistake about it, the casual fan knows Angle has held the title before and beat every major star in the company. He IS credible, and is a major player. You just choose to dispute the facts. You are just too cynical when it comes to your favorite stars. Thats why we get these threads every day.

[Guest Kamui]

If they were to have almost ANYONE vs. Undertaker, a mark would give that person no chance, because Undertaker is made to look invinciable to the marks. That's how it's done. Angle is presented as someone the marks don't think will win certain matches, and he's never a favorite, but they do realize that he's techinically sound and that he always comes into a match with a good chance of winning (and the Ankle Lock is definitley over as a finisher).

 

-Duo

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

If they were to have Angle vs. Undertaker tomorrow, not one mark would give Angle a shot. That's not credible.

Other than Taker, HHH and maybe RVD, just who the hell on the entire roster IS 'credible' then?

 

I'm agreeing with Banky, here. Angle is just fine. Pushing him is no problem. I'm almost positive that marks would buy it. It's just that they're not.

You wanna talk lack of credibility? Two words: Chris Jericho.

[Guest Anglesault]

If they were to have almost ANYONE vs. Undertaker, a mark would give that person no chance,

Austin, Rocky, HHH, (And to a lesser extent, Hogan and Flair) have all looked likt they could beat Taker on any given night. Brock has layed Taker out 17 times, so he's heading there too.

[Guest Banky]

Kurt Angle is far more credible than RVD - no doubt.

 

This is the list

 

1. The Rock

2. Triple H

3. Undertaker

4. Kurt Angle

5. Lesnar

 

Thats how the list goes with marks, gaurenteed. The only one that is debateable is the Triple H and the Undertaker's standings, #2 could go either way. Kurt Angle has been at the top of the card for 2 friggin years. It would take a crushing PPV loss to Mark Henry to kill Angle's run. If you want to gripe about anyone, you should complain for Jericho. This guy has been struggling for 2 years. He had a world title run for a few months, but either than that, he has been nowhere close to the top of the card - Angle has.

[Guest Anglesault]

If they were to have Angle vs. Undertaker tomorrow, not one mark would give Angle a shot. That's not credible.

Other than Taker, HHH and maybe RVD, just who the hell on the entire roster IS 'credible' then?

 

No one. That's the point. When you make the whole roster jokes and jobbers, your screwed.

 

Kurt Angle has been at the top of the card for 2 friggin years.

 

Yes, those Shane, Rikishi (Mini-feud), Kane, Edge, Rey and Benoit feuds have been TEARING UP the main event...Err...midcard. (Some of them are lower midcard)

[Guest CanadianChick]

C'mon AS. Angle has NEVER feuded lower mid cars. That's a bunch of bull

[Guest Banky]

Sigh. Those matches have been the more important matches on the card because Kurt Angle was in them! He is that good, and valuable that the WWE knows he can make the matches high quality. You are totally missing the point. While Angle fights upper mid-carders, he is the main eventer giving them the rub. By your logic, Angle should only fued with Triple H and Lesnar. Both of which, you'd complain about.

 

Give me an ideal fued for Angle, please. One that you wouldn't complain about.

[Guest Anglesault]

C'mon AS.  Angle has NEVER feuded lower mid cars. That's a bunch of bull

Rikishi. It was like a three weeker. I don't know what you want to consider Shane.

 

And he most certainly has been in the lower midcard of way too may PPV's this year.

 

(Wrestlemania, He Curtain jerked Summerslam. The Edge matches were fairly early in the card if I recall.)

 

You are totally missing the point. While Angle fights upper mid-carders, he is the main eventer giving them the rub.

 

He's a lower tier main eventer at best, and even they need to go back to real main events at some point)

 

 

Give me an ideal fued for Angle, please. One that you wouldn't complain about.

 

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit/Eddy Guerrero, world title feud.

[Guest CanadianChick]

C'mon AS.  Angle has NEVER feuded lower mid cars. That's a bunch of bull

Rikishi. It was like a three weeker. I don't know what you want to consider Shane.

 

And he most certainly has been in the lower midcard of way too may PPV's this year.

 

(Wrestlemania, He Curtain jerked Summerslam. The Edge matches were fairly early in the card if I recall.)

 

1) Rikishi wasn't a real feud

2) vs.Kane @ WM wasn't lower midcard, Kane isn't lower midcard at all.

3) vs. Rey @ SS. Again Rey is not lower midcard so this match wasn't. Anyways, Rey was getting a big push at the time.

4) vs. Edge. You have to be kidding me. This feud was the most prominate feud of the year so far.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Do you like complaining? I sometimes get the feeling you get off on coming here and posting the same thing every week.

 

"Angle sold a punch from Edge/Rey/Brock/anyone else on the planet! Stop the depush now!"

 

"Test/Edge sucks! Stop the push now!"

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm considering position on the card as well.

 

Angle vs. kane was like match 3 in a million match card. That's the lower mindcard of WM. kane had also been without any direction what so ever before this match, and had jobbed to everyone, so it wasn't exactly upper midcard either.

 

The Rey feud was most definately midcard, bordering on lower, with John cena and Billy Kidman becoming pawns in the feud and it never coming close to main eventing SD!

 

The "You suck" part of the Edge feud seemed to be closer to the main events, but the "Dork!" portion was way to low for Angle. Both PPV's had lower card matches, I believe.

[Guest MrRant]

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit/Eddy Guerrero, world title feud.

So it has to involve the title? What if he was main eventing Survivor Series against say HHH and it was non- title? He is in there with the main eventers and main eventing or would you be pissy because none of the titles are involved?

[Guest Anglesault]

It has to be for the title to establish them as main eventers. If you are main eventing a show with HHH, even if it's still non title, that's a pretty impressive main event.

[Guest Nater]

Credibility is also who has the title.

 

When Jericho had the title, half of the midcard was able to beat him consistantly.

 

Brock having the title.. Rock, Angle, Taker, Eddie, Benoit and Edge all have a chance IMO.

 

Compare this to HHH, who is only gonna lose to *maybe Kane and Jericho (AHAHAHA)

[ChrisMWaters]

Compare this to HHH, who is only gonna lose to *maybe Kane and Jericho (AHAHAHA)

The day Jericho beats HHH is the day that he goes back to being a Greenwich Blue Blood

[Guest RedJed]

I was watching Angle's comments in the Seattle press confrence and the fans were WHAT!?ing him.

 

I can understand the rythmitic "YOU-SUCK! YOU-SUCK!" with "Medal" but Austin hasn't been seen in the WWE since June, not to mention it has really died down (mostly because heels have been talking through the whats!? )

 

So now Angle can't get rid of being the guy that fans say WHAT everytime he talks.

 

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Okay well except that Owen was never portrayed as a bumbling dork who didn't realize that he was doing dorky things.

First point, the reason the WHAT chant is still happening is because Angle continues to play to it, simple as that. He still stops in between areas to allow the WHATS to be a part of his promos.

 

Second part, I don't see how this portrayal is even happening currently, when a babyface announcer like Cole (and Tazz is moreless a face commenrator now too) give him props constantly, even call him the best pure athlete ever.

 

My god, his character (the "bumbling dork?") is a tenth of what it used to be in that sense these days. Point is that he's always had it with him since he came into the WWF, and you're complaining about it NOW?!

 

Who knows, maybe part of an eventual face turn is him realizing his mistakes in that sense, or better yet, just not giving a shit about them, since what makes his character so fun to watch is some of that dorky mic work and etc.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Eh.

 

Angle has been screwed around with too much this year, for the ability he has.

 

From getting his pants pulled down week by week, to being made to look like he wasn't on Edge's level..(and reminding the crowd of that constantly). There has really been some screwy stuff going on.

 

Angle..who's undoubtedly of more value than Lesnar, HHH, Taker..isn't ever put on the level of those guys. He's made to look dangerous one week, but like a member of the Three Stooges the next.

 

*edit*

 

And whoever still does the fucking WHAT? chants needs to be shot on sight.

[Guest humongous2002]

Angle paying to the WHAT? chants doesn't make any sense since Austin is no longer in WWE. Or he is allow to book his own feuds??That explanation is pretty dumb if you think of it. The fans love to bust Angle's chops, WWE trying to turn him face now so he could face Brock at WM 19 will be a bad idea, because that's a very short time to make a good heel into the #1 babyface that's going to carry the company on his back, so far the only big time babyface on WWE's roster is RVD, a guy that's been buried throughout the whole year and still gets good pops. Forcing us a babyface Angle down our throats will backfire just like they did when they put HGH as the #1 guy to main event @ WM 18.

[Guest SP-1]

I think it's entirely possible to turn Angle into a solid face right now. Is Angle a good heel? Yes. Why is he over? Because we love to hate him. We love to hate him. Why? Because for alot of the casual fans, he's a funny guy. Most of us will not dispute that he's a funny guy, and he's one of the best workers on the roster.

 

Now, would it take some creative work to take us from loving to hate him to loving to cheer him? Sure. Can Heyman do it? I absolutely think so. Would it be possible if Kurt were on RAW? Probably not. Thankfully, Smackdown! has the opportunity to do it.

 

But it would take a little work.

 

SP

[Guest HartFan86]

Kurt Angle not credible? Come on dude. He's the funniest, most charismatic, awesome technical wrestler on the planet. Just because he's made to look like a joke doesn't mean he's not credible. He gets a huge laugh from the fans when he does is stuff, so they obviously dig him.

 

And who cares if they say WHAT? It's better then nothing.

[Guest HartFan86]

He Curtain jerked Summerslam.

Bret/Owen curtain jerked Wrestlemania and had one of the grestest matches ever. Hell, it got Owen over more then ever and ditto with Bret. Does anyone talk about how it was stupid they opened Mania? No, they talk about how it was one of the best damn matches ever.

 

Angle/Rey was really good...people aren't gunna look back and say "Fucking a, it shouldn't of opened." and they'll say "Damn, great opener."

 

And if you think about it, being the opening match is A LOT more big then lower mid-card & mid-card. Being the opener, your job is to go out there and get the crowd hot as hell. Angle did that at Summerslam.

[Guest HartFan86]

It has to be for the title to establish them as main eventers. If you are main eventing a show with HHH, even if it's still non title, that's a pretty impressive main event.

Rock/Hogan. No titles, and people talk about that more then the main event from Mania.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Austin/Bret Hart & the Recent HHH/HBK Feud are other ones too.