There sure as FUCK better be someone screaming and

[Guest bravesfan]

This leaves it all to the BRAVES for the taking....

 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Guest treble charged]

To answer my own question: it has never* happened...

 

* = by never, I mean since MLB incorporated the LDS into the post-season. I don't think I have the dedication to research the entire history of the MLB ALCS/NLCs...

In 1995, neither the Blue Jays or Phillies made the play-offs, and, since there were no play-offs in '94, they were both technically the defending league champions.

 

But since the LDS was implemented, the Marlins are the only team that didn't make the play-offs after winning the whole shebang, so it hasn't really had a chance to happen, yet.

[Guest alfdogg]

*points and laughs at AS*

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

Now just get rid of the Braves, and I'll be a happy, happy man.

[Guest Anglesault]

Actually, the one good thing that can come out of this is say, the A's winning, so that those damn "The Yankees spend too much money and smaller market teams stand no chance" people can SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Guest MrRant]

It will be even funnier if the A's win and are dismantled.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

I will agree with Anglesault about him saying the Yankees that played this year were NOT the team that has won 4 world championships in the past 6 years. They need to re-evaluate their team. This will most likely mean Steinbrengger will grab some free agents hoping they will fix the promblem.

 

I hope this isn't the beginning of another some number of years slump of not winning the World Series. They do have what it takes to win the entire thing. They just need to figure what it is again.

 

It just wasn't their year. I knew it from the beginning of the season. Hopefully, next year, they will improve.

 

I will just be rooting for the Twins to go all the way now.

 

Go Twins!

[Guest RobJohnstone]

It's funny, this morning the madog on fan was saying how every piece they got in the offseason fuckedup,except wells. Then he blows it also. Giambi is not clutch hitter like tino, and sucks in the field. Mondesi has a cannon for an arm but spencer or o'neil make that one catch easy. Weaver just looked scared out there. Karsay blows. HHAHAHAHAHA It's good to be a yankee hater today. Also an extra $50 in my pocket tommorrow

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

George should fly in himself and chew this squad out.

 

There will be changes.

 

Stottlemyre is gone now. He was thinking of leaving before, and with the showing of the pitching staff, he won't be welcome back.

 

Weaver is gone, Hernandez is gone, and either Karsay or Stanton are gone.

 

They are going to go HARD after someone. I'd say Maddux or Glavine, but Turner is willing to spend as well, and it would take some serious overbidding to pry one of those two away from Turner, and with the cap now, I don't think the Yanks will do it.

 

But the Yanks will find someone.

 

But if they don't win it all next year, the entire house will be shook up. Torre, Pettite, Rivera, and other big names will be out the door.

weaver gone, I don't think so. He has like a 4 year deal, and at the end of the deal he gets like 15 mill for that last season. I bet the payroll is even worse next year. The pitching staff is old as hell, I think hitchcock will bw in the rotation next year I mean, he makes enough money (10 mill over 2 seasons)

 

--Rob

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Stolemyre can't be blamed for the bad pitching. These are all veteran pitchers who shouldn't really need a pitching coach.

 

Stay away from Glavine and Maddux. They've spent their entire careers in the National League, it's tough making an adjustment to a new league.

 

Peter Gammons talked about some Cuban pitcher. That's a mistake tell me one really good Cuban pitcher. Hernandez Bros have had their moments but overall it doesn't seem worth 3 million to sign someone.

 

Here's whose a free agent next season.

 

3B Alex Arias, P Roger Clemens, 3B Ron Coomer, P Ramiro Mendoza, P Andy Pettitte, P Mike Stanton, OF John Vander Wal, 3B Robin Ventura, C Chris Widger

 

Pettite is a club option and Clemens is a player option.

[Guest alkeiper]

Actually, the one good thing that can come out of this is say, the A's winning, so that those damn "The Yankees spend too much money and smaller market teams stand no chance" people can SHUT THE FUCK UP.

 

I think I've made my feelings on the subject well known, but suffice to say I don't buy the Yankees buy championships argument. To be honest, I hate the Yankees mainly for their obnoxious fanbase and announcers, and for their slooooooooow style of baseball.

 

Giambi is not clutch hitter like tino, and sucks in the field.

 

Giambi hit .357, with a .500 OBP in the Series. "Clutch Hitter" Tino Martinez is 0-11. Which would you take? And if you want defense, play Nick Johnson and DH Giambi.

 

Stay away from Glavine and Maddux. They've spent their entire careers in the National League, it's tough making an adjustment to a new league.

 

That and they're on the downside of their careers. Just look at the strikeout rates.

 

The problem the Yankees have is that no dynasty in baseball has ever been built on free agency. Sure you can aquire good enough players to win a year or two, but it doesn't last. The Yankees the last several years were built through the farm system. Now that they have more free agents, they're starting to falter, and they don't have close to the kind of money they're used to playing with.

[Guest hardyz1]

You Yankee fans are spoiled. Saying it's a disappointment if you don't win it all. Feh. Try being a Cubs fan for a while, where a playoff spot seems like a faint mirage on the horizon and all we have to hope for is that Sosa will break one of the home run records.

 

We do have good pitching, though. I guess.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Actually, the one good thing that can come out of this is say, the A's winning, so that those damn "The Yankees spend too much money and smaller market teams stand no chance" people can SHUT THE FUCK UP.

 

I think I've made my feelings on the subject well known, but suffice to say I don't buy the Yankees buy championships argument. To be honest, I hate the Yankees mainly for their obnoxious fanbase and announcers, and for their slooooooooow style of baseball.

 

Giambi is not clutch hitter like tino, and sucks in the field.

 

Giambi hit .357, with a .500 OBP in the Series. "Clutch Hitter" Tino Martinez is 0-11. Which would you take? And if you want defense, play Nick Johnson and DH Giambi.

 

Stay away from Glavine and Maddux. They've spent their entire careers in the National League, it's tough making an adjustment to a new league.

 

That and they're on the downside of their careers. Just look at the strikeout rates.

 

The problem the Yankees have is that no dynasty in baseball has ever been built on free agency. Sure you can aquire good enough players to win a year or two, but it doesn't last. The Yankees the last several years were built through the farm system. Now that they have more free agents, they're starting to falter, and they don't have close to the kind of money they're used to playing with.

dude, clutch is getting hits when needed. Not just an overall average. You can hit .700 for all I care but if you can't hit it when it counts, you would be like bonds

 

--Rob

[Guest Sandman9000]

Stottlemyre was thinking about retiring after the season anyway. Whether it is his fault for this postseason showing or not, he'll be the fall man.

 

As for Giambi not being a clutch hitter, no one on the roster, save Williams in Game 1, got a clutch hit.

 

As for the free agents:

 

3B Alex Arias: Who?

 

P Roger Clemens: Final contract for Clemens, 3 year deal just for money's sake. He's around until he gets 300 wins, and hopefully another ring.

 

3B Ron Coomer: It depends if the Yanks want him more then Ventura, or can strike a deal for another 3rd baseman.

 

P Ramiro Mendoza: Iffy right now. Either he goes or Stanton goes, and my money is on Stanton hitting the bricks right now.

 

P Andy Pettitte: It was make or break time for Pettite. He's 30, and in what should be the prime of his career, he's had chronic arm and elbow problems. He's their youngest starting pitcher (that's has a fucking clue what he is doing) and for that reason alone might be kept around. I think he'll be resigned, but it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't.

 

P Mike Stanton: Gone

 

OF John Vander Wal: Dunno. Position players aren't the Yanks biggest concern this offseason. They'll toss an offer out, but another team might top it.

 

3B Robin Ventura: Again, it depends if the Yanks want him or Coomer. Ventura had a decent season, or at least a better season then one he had with the Mets.

 

C Chris Widger: Posada is their catcher for the future, so it all depends who they want for their backup.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, just my opinions on what could happen.

 

I also maintain that Weaver is gone. Remember last year, when Jay Witasick was picked up midseason, put in the pen, and more or less handed the D'Backs Game 6 (and the series, IMO)? Witasick was tossed aside almost as soon as Yanks could get rid of him. I feel the same will happen to Weaver.

 

BTW, I still have my vow to kill Witasick if I see him.

[Guest Some Guy]

First off allow me to say [Nelson Muntz]HA HA![/Nelson Muntz]

 

I think the Yankee's problems started last year. The old guard of guys who strived to win the WS couldn't get it done and they were all replaced by guys who felt that just dawning the pim stripes handed them a ring. They were wrong. Giambi, White, Vanderwal, Mondesi, Weaver, Karsay, etc.. came in with the idea that the bloated contracts they signed guarenteed them a WS championship, it didn't.

 

Watching the ganes it seemed that Jeter was the only true Yanke left. Bernie looked disinterested, Rivera, Stanton, and Mendoza looked like the years of over use had caught up to them and they didn't have it anymore.

Roger, Petite, El Duque, and Mussina looked old and worn out.

 

If I were runnign the Yanks I wouldn't bring Stanton or Clemens back both guys have lost it. Stanton has been in the playoffs I think every year since '95, plus he has 70+ games a year, he's probably done as the best lefty set up man in the game. Clemens is 40 and was very inconsistant this year.

 

It will be very interesting to see how they handle this in the offseason. They're stuck with Mondesi (no team will take his contract), Weaver, and a few other clunkers. There is a lot of bullpen help availible and they need to get guys who can play defense, the outfield was alwful, the infield save 1B and SS was bad, and Posada is not a good defensive catcher.

 

EDIT: My bad, thanks Banky.

[Guest Banky]

You are talking about Nelson Muntz.....

 

PS. The Cardinals have destiny on their side. If they get Rolan back, no one will beat them. No one.

 

PPS. Why did the A's have to choke so bad? I am going to cry. Well its the 8th inning and they are losing, I am assuming they are going to lose. If they end up winning, I'll look cool - I think.

 

PPPS. The Yankees messed with team chemistry. By dumping or losing Martinez, Knoblach, O'Neill, and such - they completely ruined something magical. You could never buy the perfect nucleus of players the Yanks had during their awesome run.

[Guest danielisthor]

Mondesi and Weaver were traded for, not signed in Free agency. They practically gave nothing for Mondesi, Toronto wanted him gone so bad.

 

Weaver will be in the rotation next year.

 

Maddux will not sign with the Yanks, Glavine could and Ted Turner no longer owns the Braves, AOL/Time Warner does. He has no control over the Braves payroll budget.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

PS. The Cardinals have destiny on their side. If they get Rolan back, no one will beat them. No one.

The Twins are a team of Destiny. Their owner wanted to sell them down the river and they told him to drop dead.

[Guest Jericholic82]

I agree with the other "true" yanks fans. This is tough to deal with especially living in CALI where "frontrunner" is their middle name.

 

we lost to a better team, bottom line

 

 

hopefully something can be done. and for all the haters, good for you.

 

 

cubs fan i understand your pain, but belive me Im a true fan, every year its like the first time if you win a title. unlike ca people, my team winning doesnt make me feel important, Im just proud of my team and my home city

 

 

NYC 4 ever

 

enough of the NY hating, I thought 9/11 supposedly changed that, I guess I was right about all that fake sentiment people use, just to get sympathy for their narcissistic selves

 

as the brokklyn dodgers used to say

"wait till next year!"

 

 

and no im not watching the rest of the playoffs too closely, but Ill pull for the twins

 

FU Bud Selig

[Guest Some Guy]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2002/s/2002...06/1442056.html

 

Yeah there are so many "true Yankee's fans"

 

NEW YORK -- When three buses filled with the New York Yankees pulled up outside Yankee Stadium at 3 a.m. Sunday, not a single fan was there to great their team.

 

 

When you win, millions cheer and salute you with ticker tape parades.

 

 

When you lose, you come home alone.

 

Granted it was 3:00am but one would think that at least a few fans would show up to pat their team on the back. True dedication from "real fans."

 

"We expected to go to the World Series,'' Andy Pettitte said.

 

Just expecting it doesn't get you there. In Boston we expect it every year, but it's not really working out for us either.

 

In New York, you're either at the top of the heap -- as the song says -- or you're nothing. One backpage headline Sunday blared: "BRONX BUMS.''

 

Pathetic. This team has won 4/6 WS and they lose and won 6 straight AL East titles, they lose in the playoffs and now they're "bums?" Typical, fickle and spoiled New Yorkers.

 

We got our butts beat,'' Mike Stanton said as players scattered to their cars. "You can't look at any one play or anything like that.''

 

Honesty is refreshing.

 

"It's a different group,'' Derek Jeter last week

 

Loosely translated, "We just aren't as good in the big games as we used to be and the new guys are inferior to those of the "Dynasty."

 

I find it funny that the a team that has brought NY so much joy, fails and becomes a steaming pile of shit in New Yorker's minds overnight. It's sad and pathetic. They got the shit pounded out of them and were lucky that they weren't swept. There is no other excuse, they choked, just like last year in Game 7.

What I'm trying to say is you guys should feel fotunate to be in the playoffs every year, to have 26 WS titles and to have an owner willing to throw money around to get what he wants. No other team has that.

 

 

enough of the NY hating, I thought 9/11 supposedly changed that, I guess I was right about all that fake sentiment people use, just to get sympathy for their narcissistic selves

 

I respect NY for how they handled themselves and how the people changed after 9/11. Now it's right back to how they were, so I'm back to how I was. I was raised to hate NY and the Yankees, as much as I wanted to last year I could not bring myself to cheer for a team that has cruched my team's hopes of a WS or a playoff birth.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I don't get rooting for a team to lose, if you're favorite team isn't the opponent.

[Guest Smues]

"enough of the NY hating, I thought 9/11 supposedly changed that, I guess I was right about all that fake sentiment people use, just to get sympathy for their narcissistic selves"

 

9/11 made me have some sympathy for the CITY itself and back off SOME of my pure hatred, but that is soley for the city. The twin towers had nothing to do with baseball, and just because 9/11 happened isn't gonna make me a Yankees fan, or make me hate them any less. If there was a massacre in Conneticut it wouldn't mean I didn't hate HHH anymore.

[Guest Jericholic82]

some guy i agree with you, and smues thanks for the kind words. I wasn't referring to you guys, mostly people out here in southern cal.

 

I am not one of the fickle ones who would call them bums cuz they lost. If I l still lived in NY i would be there to see them return. You are right there are alot of fairweather yanks fans and obnoxious ones too. It sucks cuz everyone assumes I am a phony.

 

so we dont win another one, ok. boston has been waiting since 1918 so they really know what it feels like to do without. I am just sad to see my team lose like anyone would.

 

I'm just tired of all the bashing that has been going on since the angels won. enough already,please. even the NY media has been all over them.

 

again that sucks cuz it gives people this stereotypical view of new york and its people.

 

there is more to life than sports, but I will remain loyal to my team and hometown forever.

 

maybe this is better for baseball, but is it really?

 

 

the bulls and now lakers have monopolized almost compeletely, the nba title. but not as many people are on there case. what gives?

 

Life goes on

I'll see you all next season.

[Guest Some Guy]

the bulls and now lakers have monopolized almost compeletely, the nba title. but not as many people are on there case. what gives?

 

Life goes on

I'll see you all next season.

Ever since Jordan retired the last time no one really cares about B-Ball. Plenty of people here hate the Lakers if it makes you feel better, but that was one rivalry where historically Boston won more often than not.

 

For a little more clarification on the difference between the Yanks and Lakers, the Yanks are an East Coast team so the whole country is awakw when their games are on, the Lakers play on the west coast and their games don't until really late here, frequently too late for the scores to make the paper in the morning. So everybody in the country can easily pick up the paper and find out the latest happening with NYY and can't with the Lakers. The Yankees have an obnoxious owner who is pretty much universally hated outside of Yankee Nation, I have no clue who owns the Lakers and nobody cares. The Yankees payroll has been far above the rest of MLB for the last few years and that is widely publized, Shaq makes alot of money and no one knows what the rest of the Lakers make.

 

Oh yeah, all of the national media is on the east coast and are self interested. Have you ever noticed that when a big snow storm hits NYC it's a lead story on the national news, but it isn't when Boston gets one? There you go, NYC elitism is another reason.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I can't be mad with the Yankees. I enjoyed their come from behind wins this season and they were fun to watch. They won their division and didn't get ti done in the playoffs. I can't call them losers because they have won four World Series pennants and are damn near automatic when it comes to making the postseason. I have nothing but love for Joe Torre and if the Yankees didn't win a single game next year, I still wouldn't say anything bad about him. It's bullshit to call them a bunch of losers.

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

[Guest NoCalMike]

Fuck the Yankees~! Then again, My A's keeled over and died in Game 5, so I have nothing to say. *must think of football*

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

"YES!! YES!! FUCK YOU TOO!!!"

 

Eddie Murphy, Coming to America