Guest wwF1587 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Ok, one thing I dont and probably will never understand. If SD! has the WWE Cruisweight, WWE Title, and WWE Tag Team Titles, and RAW has the World Heavyweight Title, World Heavyweight Tag Titles, and the soon to be deceased World Heavyweight Intercontinental Title, Why is RAW STILL WWE? Shouldnt RAW be something else? It seems to be and anyone who has half a brain (or it should) that SD! is the only one carrying the WWE name. GOD I hate this.
Rob E Dangerously Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Um.. they're working on it.. *cough*nitro*cough*
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 They gave up on that. Just give them time, hopefully by the time the Rumble rolls around this will all be sorted out.
Guest Sandman9000 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Or they'll give up on it and do something else.
Guest RedJed Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Ever think that they keep publicly stating they are against a WCW rebirth just to swerve everyone and actually make it a surprise when/if it happens? What a concept.
Guest Cataclysm911 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Ever think that they keep publicly stating they are against a WCW rebirth just to swerve everyone and actually make it a surprise when/if it happens? What a concept. They would require planning ahead. That could never happen.
Guest Rob Edwards Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 I agree with Mr Rant, Raw is still a valuable brand name so they'll keep that and add WCW for the Bisch influence
Guest Nater Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Just to kill WCW a 3rd time.. and the ratings even more in the process
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 WCW is dead. They will NEVER call it WCW. Why don't they call it AWA while their at it? And name all Triplecrown winners the Pedro Muralas title? And why not say every team in wrestling is good. But the best ever is British Bulldogs? You don't make money living off the past. WCW is dead. And forever dead. Reason RAW is still WWE because WWE made TWO brands under one name. Its a roster split so there are two groups under one name. Bottom line. WCW will never ever come back. Dynamite Kid has a better chance having a ***** match with Billy Graham in their current states than WCW to ever come back.
Guest RedJed Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 "You don't make money living off the past." WWE doesn't understand this though. Just this year they tried to make money off the past of the NWO, and then hotshot the title on Hogan directly due to nostalgia pops. They were clearly living off the past then, and I don't see them stopping now. Hell, they just brought back the WCW belt, as another example.
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 they brought back to belt it self. NOT the title of WCW champion. The belt is the best looking one in the WWE. So why not bring it back. It has teflon. But WWF isn't living off the past anymore. They made Hogan world champ just so he can job to Taker. He had transitional written all over him. nWo would have worked had they gone after mid carders and moved up. Besides easiest way to bring in three guys like them is under that banner.
Guest notJames Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Just to kill WCW a 3rd time.. and the ratings even more in the process Seriously. Why drudge up the name/brand/stigma of a company that just couldn't cut it? I for one could live a full, rich life if I never hear the words "Nitro", "wCw" or "Ted Turner" ever again. Vince and Co. have enough trouble looking into the near future for them to go drudging up the dead past.
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 RAW just sucks. Bottomline.
Guest jester Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 "Hi. We're a publically traded company. We have a successful live weekly prime time show that's nearing 500 episodes and has made wrestling history on several occassions. We'd like to change the name of it to a brand name that has been dead for nearly 2 years, and was associated with some of the lowest points of wrestling when it folded. Now would you like to buy our stock?" This is why they should never bring back Nitro. I wouldn't say they won't do it, because Vince is stubborn and likes to do things contrary to the rules and common sense just for the sake of it, but renaming Raw is a bad idea. Rumors of Nitros return will never die though.
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 "Hi. We're a publically traded company. We have a successful live weekly prime time show that's nearing 500 episodes and has made wrestling history on several occassions. We'd like to change the name of it to a brand name that has been dead for nearly 2 years, and was associated with some of the lowest points of wrestling when it folded. Now would you like to buy our stock?" I can't agree any more than that. I just hope common sense happens. But Vince isn't going to rename is pet show after a dead promotion. And after 10 years of RAW, it will be on until cable dies and or WWF dies. Which ever comes first.
Guest tominator89 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 "Hi. We're a publically traded company. We have a successful live weekly prime time show that's nearing 500 episodes and has made wrestling history on several occassions. We'd like to change the name of it to a brand name that has been dead for nearly 2 years, and was associated with some of the lowest points of wrestling when it folded. Now would you like to buy our stock?" I can't agree any more than that. I just hope common sense happens. But Vince isn't going to rename is pet show after a dead promotion. And after 10 years of RAW, it will be on until cable dies and or WWF dies. Which ever comes first. Uhh, WWF is dead. Long live the annoying WWEEEEEEEE! Yeah sounds like a wonderful marketing ploy. WWEEEEEEE! I agree that the name RAW meant something; a few years ago. But no one is arguing that Vince is trying live off those past gloried days. Get the F Out! - "same attitude, new name" (or whatever the slogan was) is, by definition of the previous posts, the same problem as using the old Nitro name. Same old, same old. Perhaps I'm just playing devil's advocate, but for anyone to argue that Nitro is dead, they might want to check the pulse of RAW.
Guest DJ Jeff Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Renaming RAW to Nitro, or WWE RAW to WCW RAW wouldn't help ratings at all. Yeah, I was for the name change from RAW to Nitro, but the more I think about it, everything to do with WCW is dead, and shouldn't be used again. I can't explain why RAW has the World Title, the World Tag Team Titles, and the World Women's Title and Smackdown has the WWE Title, the WWE Tag Team Titles, and the WWE Cruiserweight Title, though. I guess everything on RAW is World, and everything on Smackdown is WWE. I really don't know, though renaming RAW to Nitro isn't the answer.
Guest Ravenbomb Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Uhh, WWF is dead. Long live the annoying WWEEEEEEEE! Mr. Squirrel agrees http://www.g27.net/images/weee.swf
Guest Chuck Woolery Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Renaming RAW to Nitro, or WWE RAW to WCW RAW wouldn't help ratings at all. Yeah, I was for the name change from RAW to Nitro, but the more I think about it, everything to do with WCW is dead, and shouldn't be used again. I can't explain why RAW has the World Title, the World Tag Team Titles, and the World Women's Title and Smackdown has the WWE Title, the WWE Tag Team Titles, and the WWE Cruiserweight Title, though. I guess everything on RAW is World, and everything on Smackdown is WWE. I really don't know, though renaming RAW to Nitro isn't the answer. Because Bischoff is anti-WWE, at the root of his character. He hates Vince, and the whole "World" deal, the moving of the announcers, is subtly showing how Bischoff longs to not be WWE but is forced to be by his GM role. They're building towards change of some sort, most likely WCW... but it's going to happen.
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 If they change it they may as well come up with a new name. Because WCW has this stigma to it called dead. And you can't get rid of that. They may as well close now because if they call it WCW that will be the end of RAW.
Guest jester Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 Because Bischoff is anti-WWE, at the root of his character. He hates Vince, and the whole "World" deal, the moving of the announcers, is subtly showing how Bischoff longs to not be WWE but is forced to be by his GM role. They're building towards change of some sort, most likely WCW... but it's going to happen. We're not talking storyline here, we're talking business world here. It's a bad decision. As in stock-goes-further-down bad.
Guest Chuck Woolery Posted October 7, 2002 Report Posted October 7, 2002 I was talking about why the belts on Raw are "World, World, and World". Business wise, hell yes changing the name of Raw in any way, shape, or form is a bad decision, unless they bring back Raw is War.
Guest justcoz Posted October 8, 2002 Report Posted October 8, 2002 I think they need the WCW name to identify the brand extension. With multiple world champions and tag team champions it's getting confusing. If Raw has Bischoff, Flair and recognizes the NWA/WCW Title lineage just make it World Championship Wrestling - Monday Night Raw. Rename the titles and build from there. The WCW name has been gone long enough to rebuild the brand from it's damaged reputation. Meanwhile, Smackdown becomes World Wide Wrestling Federation (WWWF) Smackdown just to maintain the Federation history. If they are going to properly sale their archive spotlight package PPV's, DVD's, etc. they need to retain the history tie-ins to the past.
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