Anti-Bully Program accused of promoting Gay Agenda

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pr...a021009&src=abc

 

What do you guys think? (Besides that it's slightly silly to try to get people to say "permanent relationship" instead of "marriage". I mean, come on.)

[Guest Some Guy]

I can understand the argument. The left has gone to extremes to keep Christianity out of schools and to extremes to get their belief system in. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone got to replace your agenda with theirs?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

(clears throat)

 

Christianity in schools is BAD.

 

That is all.

 

Kotzenjunge

Is a Commie Bastard For Suggesting this Idea

[Guest Some Guy]

(clears throat)

 

Christianity in schools is BAD.

 

That is all.

 

Kotzenjunge

Is a Commie Bastard For Suggesting this Idea

I assume you disilike the ideals of Christianity and that is why you feel it's bad in schools. Well many people feel that this multi-cultural indoctrination is bad in schools, yet they are shouted down and called racists. The MCI programs are essentially pro-minority at the espense of whites. They spout off all the bad things that whites haev ever down and summarilly ignore the bad that minorities have done, if they do acknoweldge it they blame it on whitey.

 

"Tolerance" and "multi-culturalism" are good ideas in theory, but they don't work in practice because of the way they are taught. If kids were taught to ignore others differences adn treat them the same as everybody else it might work better. What MCI does is stress just how different everybody is and then tell you to treat them the same as everybody else. My response when they tried to shove this shit down my throat in HS was, "WTF? How can I treat someone the same as everybody else after you've gone on for hours telling me that they're different?"

 

I think both real religion and "Multi-culturalism" should be kept out of schools. Neither help.

[Guest Retro Rob]

SG, the idea behind Multi-Culturalism is not just to make us accept one another. The main idea about is to RESPECT each other's differences, not ignore them. Any person with common decency should be able to tell that although someone may be different on the outside, they are still the same as you on the inside, thus you treat them just like you would treat anyone else. So basically you respect people for looking differently than you, yet treat them as equals because in the end they bleed red just like the rest of us.

 

I hope that made sense.

[Guest Some Guy]

It does but that isn't how it comes across from them. "Ignore" may not have been the best word.

The point is you cannot treat eveybody the same if their differences are constantly stressed while their similarities are ignored completely. Just because someone bleeds red doesn't automatically earn them respect anyways.

 

I feel that if we must teach tolerance we shoudl concentrate far less on differences and more on similarities. The differences come up in conversation and you can learn first hand what is inapropriate to say around others by them telling you, rather than having someone who looks just like you telling you what you shouldn't say to those who don't.

Does that make sense?

 

I'd rather someone who is really affected or offended by something I say to plead their own case to me, rather than someone else who wouldn't be.

[Guest Ozymandias]

I can understand the argument. The left has gone to extremes to keep Christianity out of schools and to extremes to get their belief system in. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone got to replace your agenda with theirs?

That's not the issue. All bullying is rooted in some form of intolerance, so really it'd be completely antithetical to have an "anti-bully program" and NOT teach and promote tolerance of all peoples.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Just because someone bleeds red doesn't automatically earn them respect anyways.

 

I consider respect to be similar to out concept of innocent until proven guilty. Everyone has my respect until they give me a reason to take it away.

 

I feel that if we must teach tolerance we shoudl concentrate far less on differences and more on similarities.

 

I think that in order to teach young people to be tolerant of people different than them, they must first understand the differences and then go along with the "we are all the same on the inside" concept.

 

The differences come up in conversation and you can learn first hand what is inapropriate to say around others by them telling you, rather than having someone who looks just like you telling you what you shouldn't say to those who don't.

 

I'd rather someone who is really affected or offended by something I say to plead their own case to me, rather than someone else who wouldn't be.

 

 

I agree. Instead of having a middle-class white person preach about tolerance, it should be a miniority who has been discriminated against in the past. First-hand experiences are always the way to go.

[Guest Some Guy]

Just because someone bleeds red doesn't automatically earn them respect anyways.

 

1_ I consider respect to be similar to out concept of innocent until proven guilty. Everyone has my respect until they give me a reason to take it away.

 

I feel that if we must teach tolerance we shoudl concentrate far less on differences and more on similarities.

 

2) I think that in order to teach young people to be tolerant of people different than them, they must first understand the differences and then go along with the "we are all the same on the inside" concept.

 

The differences come up in conversation and you can learn first hand what is inapropriate to say around others by them telling you, rather than having someone who looks just like you telling you what you shouldn't say to those who don't.

 

1) We differ here, people have my basic respect as human beings from the start and then they can either earn my full respect or lose that original common respect that I had for them. Basic decency is given, respect is earned.

 

2) I think it should be the other way around, it follows from what I just said, if someone can earn another's respect as a person first then the differences won't matter much when they come to the fore front.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I don't like any religion in schools, whether you're saying "Praise Allah" or "Praise Jesus." Of course, I'm also against the concept of Organized Religion. However, the thought of getting everyone to abandon religion is but a pipe dream and thus I don't bother people on the issue unless they try to convert me.

 

Religion seems to try and teach good principles (well, some religions do) but the people who believe in them can take things so far that they spoil it for everyone else.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

From the article...

 

"Despite Sheridan's claims, McCoy says, there is clear evidence his program is promoting a gay agenda. He cites the project's training manual, which recommends that teachers:

 

Wear a "LesBiGay positive" button or a T-shirt with a "Straight, But Not Narrow" slogan or a pink triangle"

 

Please. Stupid idea. Stupid story. Boy I'm glad I'm not in school anymore...

[Guest Vern Gagne]

SG, the idea behind Multi-Culturalism is not just to make us accept one another. The main idea about is to RESPECT each other's differences, not ignore them. Any person with common decency should be able to tell that although someone may be different on the outside, they are still the same as you on the inside, thus you treat them just like you would treat anyone else. So basically you respect people for looking differently than you, yet treat them as equals because in the end they bleed red just like the rest of us.

 

I hope that made sense.

The problem is mult-culturism in schools isn't being taught like this. What about the students that believe homosexuality is immoral. Whether or not you think there right or not, shouldn't they be tolerated.

 

No school should be able to tell any student that everyone is equal. If they don't care than it shouldn't be forced on them.

[Guest Retro Rob]

The problem is mult-culturism in schools isn't being taught like this. What about the students that believe homosexuality is immoral. Whether or not you think there right or not, shouldn't they be tolerated.

 

But aren't religious people supposed to hate the sin (homsexuality), yet love the person? I know this one Mormon girl. Their religion is entirely against the act of homosexuality, but that didn't stop her from treating homosexuals like everyone else.

 

No school should be able to tell any student that everyone is equal.

 

Why not? Are you saying that everyone that lives in this country doesn't have the right to be treated as an equal? Wouldn't it be unconstitional for a school to promote unequality, since our Constitution clearly states the opposite? School is supposed to be where we are molded to become good Americans and good people. I don't really see why you feel that schools should not promote equality.

 

If they don't care than it shouldn't be forced on them.

 

For that matter, if students don't care about math, should schools stop forcing that on them. IMO, understanding and accepting diversity is one of the most important things that should be/are taught in school. Reason being, throughout life we all encounter people who have different sexual preferences or may be from different backgrounds, so it is good to understand where they are coming from.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

teaching kids that people are different should be the job of the parents, a schools purpose is to educate children.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Equality isn't the problem..the problem I have is the schools which are liberal have an agenda. Just look at the suggestion they give to wear a LesBiGay button. They shouldn't tell students to wear anything.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Double post there.

 

I think it's a valuable lesson to be taught at lower grades. Don't use sexuality as an example of course, but I wouldn't mind at elementary level that schools teach that all are created equal. That's one of the ideas this country is founded on.

 

At middle and high school level, I think pushing those kinds of messages is getting in the way of real education, as kids are more set in their ways.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Equality isn't the problem..the problem I have is the schools which are liberal have an agenda. Just look at the suggestion they give to wear a LesBiGay button. They shouldn't tell students to wear anything.

I agree entirely with that. No one should be forced to wear anything in a public school. Although that is not what you originally said.

 

No school should be able to tell any student that everyone is equal.

 

Maybe you didn't mean to come off as saying that schools shouldn't teach children equality, but originally you did.

 

teaching kids that people are different should be the job of the parents, a schools purpose is to educate children.

 

Gimme a break. If you leave that to the parents, the next generation will be full of discriminating, gay-bashing, assholes. School isn't only meant to teach children academics. School is where we become who we are because honestly, didn't most of us spend more time in school than at home from grades 7-12? I would hope that in addition to teaching math, science, english and history, students would also learn about respecting others and being good people. In the end, that is much more important than Trigonometry and Shakespeare.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

if you leave equality to schools the next generation will be full of p.c. whiny liberals that blame all the problems on evil white male republicans.

 

most parents aren't racist hicks. certainly some are, but I think parents are more likely to teach actual equality better than schools are.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

if you leave equality to schools the next generation will be full of p.c. whiny liberals that blame all the problems on evil white male republicans.

I don't believe that. In fact, that's more likely to occur if the parents teach it. Especially if the parents are the same kind of people you're describing.

 

But typically, that's a regional kind of thing.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Quite frankly, I don't think schools really try to teach equality in any form. Either that, or they teach the wrong kind of equality. Either they say "Everyone is equal....except for athletics. They're better," or "Everyone is gifted in their own special way" in the extreme. I think everyone knows about the first one, but in the second one, I'm talking about those schools who will play in team games, and as soon as one team is a few points ahead, they move a player to the losing team.

Look, I'm all for tolerance, and common decency. Everyone should get the same starting chance, regardless of race, sexual orientation, and tongue length. But there are limits. And trying to get people to lesbigay buttons is kinda heading off the deep end.

I hope I made any kind of sense.

[Guest Retro Rob]

most parents aren't racist hicks. certainly some are, but I think parents are more likely to teach actual equality better than schools are.

VG, I live in NY, Long Island to be specific, so we are anything but hicks. This may surprise you, but I would say more than 60% of the parents in my area are racists in one way or another. Generally speaking, the parents are worse than the kids. I doubt that is only the case in my school district and Alabama. Since every American has to go to school, I would figure that it would be the past place to teach equality. That way even though the parents may be bigots, school would be a unbiased place that teaches kids the way they should act towards each other. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want schools to teach equality. I agree that pins and shirts are taking it too far, but simple presentations and guest speakers would suffice.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

if you leave equality to schools the next generation will be full of p.c. whiny liberals that blame all the problems on evil white male republicans.

I don't believe that. In fact, that's more likely to occur if the parents teach it. Especially if the parents are the same kind of people you're describing.

 

But typically, that's a regional kind of thing.

Why. Certainly some parents are like this, but just look at the NEA's suggested teaching of 9-11. A majority of teachers and schools are liberally biased and there more than likely to teach kids that white male republicans are at fault for all the problem in the world today.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

A majority of teachers and schools are liberally biased and there more than likely to teach kids that white male republicans are at fault for all the problem in the world today.

Perhaps. I've been in classes with very liberal teachers from when I was little until recently, and I can tell you none of them would say "white male republicans are the problem." Why? Well, just in the obvious, that would obviously be repeated at home and will inevitably get them in trouble.

 

You got plenty of parents that would say that though, especially the kind of parents like John Walker Lindh had, the kind that aren't fit to raise lettuce*.

 

 

* Although I don't support killing the guy, I do believe his parents are complete idiots. Especially since I live up here and see people just like them. It seems to be Marin culture. =/