Wrestlers who are techincally good...

[Guest imajackoff?]

Ultimo Dragon always bored me.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

AoO: You say he never held a candle to Misawa, Kobashi, and Kawada, yet you admit that he was better than Kenta for two years? In wrestling, two years is a lifetime, and Taue proved in that two years that he was capable of being a great worker. I can see how you could hate his current work, but you blatantly contradicted yourself there.

 

Add El Samurai to the list of workers better than Michaels, by the way.

[Guest Special K]

I've only seen prime time Taue, I think wrestling really well against great opponents doesn't qualify as being better than Flair. Of course You're probably of the mind that all the Flair/Steamboat matches are underwhelming. I agree Taue is a fantastic pacer, but discounting his offense is asinigne, if you ask me. Taue is a very good worker, but he is not Flair.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

AoO: You say he never held a candle to Misawa, Kobashi, and Kawada, yet you admit that he was better than Kenta for two years?

I Don't think that's true, but it's pretty much the overwhelming opinion of almost everyone I've talked to, so there you go.

 

IMO, Taue is the most overrated wrestler ever.

[Guest godthedog]

I've only seen prime time Taue, I think wrestling really well against great opponents doesn't qualify as being better than Flair. Of course You're probably of the mind that all the Flair/Steamboat matches are underwhelming. I agree Taue is a fantastic pacer, but discounting his offense is asinigne, if you ask me. Taue is a very good worker, but he is not Flair.

well if you're using the offense argument, flair's offense wasn't all that great either. i guess this is probably less obvious because the old school nwa offense in general was lower-impact, so his moves looked more at home in an old match than taue's moves against the tiger driver 91, folding powerbomb, etc.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Well I am convinced.....TAue is the most over rated wrestler ever.

 

Tim

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

So am I. And that's about as much of an argument as you've put up.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

AoO: Be fair. He's put up arguements and backed them up with examples that support them. You have yet to do this.

 

And if you don't acknowledge that Taue was better than Kobashi at one point, explain why. So far, your arguement in this area is "even if he were better, (which he isn't) two years is nothing, so nuah nuah nuah" which doesn't really cut it. You're using unfounded generalizations and just plain wrong statements.

 

And if you want to talk overrated, you'd be better-suited to talk about guys like Flair and Michaels, the former who had more overrated matches in the ninties than anyone I can come up with, and the ladder who's matches with Undertaker, Sid, and Nash have been rated as highly as ****3/4 by some people. Most people who defend Taue make no mistake about him being a bad singles wrestler before '94, and then only being a world-class wrestler until some point in '97. That's nothing compared to some of the ludicrous praise Flair gets half the time for just mailing it in.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I was never a fan of Debiase's ring work but i loved his gimmick. Plus I am not a fan of Lance Strom's work. He is solid, but utterly boring.

[Guest TheGame2705]

I always hated and still do hate Eddie Guerrero. Everyone says he rules but I can't stand him. I've also been one of those people who I guess didn't get it when it comes to Angle.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Lance Storm, Chris Jericho, Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (while in ECW)... they've had good matches, but nothing extremely consistent.

 

Shawn Michaels was mainly just good at getting his ass kicked.

[Guest Smark Hammill]

Chris Benoit.

 

He's a really good wrestler, but that's about it. The best way I can describe Benoit is "forgettable." Another problem I have with Benoit is he is the same as a face as he is as a heel. I'm old school, and I have always believed that you should look different, wrestler different, talk different, portray yourself different as heel from being a face. Benoit does NOT do that. He's the same...all the time, and that makes me not like him as much as the internet tells me I should (sorry for the potshot).

[Guest saturnmark4life]

yeah back in like 94/95 and in the super J cup Benoit struck me as nothing special except for his SWANK powerbomb, but now whenever i have my doubts he'll just take the match he's in up a notch with an awesome sequence i've not seen before.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

How is Benoit's face work no different from his heel work? How many times have you actually seen him play a face? He had a babyface run that lasted three months, and durring that period he played a wonderfull babyface that got over very quickly.

 

His matches speak for themselves, and they're better than most wrestlers in the U.S. today.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

If Benoit works the same as a face and a heel, then so does Jericho, Trips, Undertaker, Austin, Angle, etc.

 

Your point is moot.

 

Tim

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I've got to disagree with the opinion that Austin works the same as a face as he does a heel. Compare beer-swilling redneck face Austin to sadistic paranoid heel Austin. He started showing cowardice, and respect for authority, which are things a face Austin would never do. Not to mention the Hollywood Blonds, which is a gimmick that NEVER would've worked in a babyface role. The way they acted in the ring and out was textbook cocky bastard heels.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Paranoid, delusional Austin was portrayed through segments and promos, not matches. As a face, he tended to brawl a bit more, but that's about it. He didn't reinvent his style between the two characters. The Hollywood Blondes were a cocky tag team, but Austin's actual wrestling style wasn't drastically different, aside from incorperating lots of standard tag team nuances.

 

One of Benoit's strongest points is his ability to addapt, which he has done through out his career. Critisizing him for being limited is really absurd.

[Guest gthureson]

I've never been all that impressed by Ric Flair.

 

He has/had a great character, but his matches. Eh. Not horrible, but nothing I'll go out of my way to watch either. Maybe they are great if you really like Ric Flair, but if you don't.....

 

I'm not that big a fan of Kurt Angle either. No real reason. He's just sort of there.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I agree with you totally about Benoit. He's one of the most versatile workers ever. Austin as a face does almost nothing but brawl. He's never really had an extravagant moveset or anything, but he does a lot more as a heel. In the Angle feud, he put his character over through his actions in-ring moreso than the actual maneuvers he did. Although I do agree the majority of it was due to skits and vignettes, which were almost always good, IMO. The thing is, if Austin just went out there and wrestled like a heel, no one would buy into it, because it's Austin. Just look at the massive pops he got at Wrestlemania, and sporadically throughout his heel run, depending on the crowd. Those vignettes and things with Vince, and then the Alliance were completely vital to that character. In the Blonds, there was a very definite face/heel boundary in the tag ranks at the time, and everything was pretty much on the hot tag formula. The way he'd cut of tags like a heel should, combined with great timing and the glorious "Roll film" taunt really got him over in that role.

 

In ring, when talking about his wrestling style and the moves he used, per se, no he wasn't all THAT different, but the characters were different as night and day.

[Guest Smark Hammill]

Benoit has never been over as a face. That is an internet fanboy myth.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Benoit never over as a face?

 

1997-1998 in WCW he was way over, as was Malenko and the Horsemen in general, even when they were broken up.

 

Also, May 2001 until his injury.

 

Not shoo fanboy.

 

Tim

[Guest bob_barron]

Benoit has never been over as a face. That is an internet fanboy myth.

Have you seen Souled Out 98 where Benoit was mega over kicking the shit out of Raven?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Austin wrestled a match very low on the brawling side with Benoit in late 2000 and got more heat for it than his complete brawls with Rikishi and HHH. His early 2001 match with Angle was filled with plenty of suplexes that Austin didn't wip out too often, and got enormous heat. Though it was to a much lesser extent, Austin's "no punches" match with Flair this year got very sufficient heat, despite the stipulation. They weren't exactly the norm, but Austin was always willing to out-wrestle someone if his brawling was getting stale.

[Guest Anglesault]

Sean O'Haire, I guess. I hated his work in WCW, and didn't care for what little I saw last year, but everyone tells me he's great.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Regal and Lance Storm.

 

Both guys seem decent at times, but good lord are they boring.

[Guest bob_barron]

HEY!

 

(Lays out APO with the power of the punch)

 

Shannon Moore is pretty boring IMO

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm not a fan of Regal and Storm either. Storm whiffs every non superkick strike he throws, and I've only enjoyed Regal's in ring work when he was with Fit Finlay, Flair, and Benoit. I like his character a lot though, and he's very good on the mic.

[Guest bob_barron]

The only Storm match I remember I liked was his Summerslam match v. Edge.

 

And those chairshots??

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

They're not as bad as his feet-first table bump in ECW. Storm is the opposite of hardcore. He throws better chairshots than Sid, though, but that's not saying much.

[Guest T®ITEC]

Chris Jericho, just because.. To me, it seems liks he doesn't care anymore. ... The last time he even inpressed or made me care about what he was doing was that aforementioned 01/17 promo on SmackDown ("I am not a joke!").

 

Plus he's a whiny bitch.

 

Others: I really don't "get" puroresu from what I've see of it.. Juvi always bored me, as did Regal (not his charater), Psychosis, Jamie Knoble, Billy Kidman (only half of the time, uhm..)

 

Yeah. And even HHH in his prime (2000, wasn't it?) kind of bored me.

 

I think I have to really get into the characters of the wrestlers to throughly enjoy them.