Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Shooting on Austin doesn't mean pick him up and break him... it means don't make him look good and when you hit him...connect so that Austin knows who's in charge. It's the subtle way of making Austin look like Brock's bitch so that they could push Brock and leave Austin looking like a joke. There are so many reasons why this would have been stupid and business exposing...since Austin would have just walked out on TV. Then again...that may have been the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted October 12, 2002 If they were going to get rid of Austin this way, it has HHH's fingerprints all over it. This would be the perfect way for him to get rid of Vince's last remaining star, permanently, and all Trips would be left to worry about is Rocky's movie career failing. I wonder how they would go about forcing Lesnar into this? Or would it be along the same lines as Vince "forcing" Shawn to go along in Montreal? I dunno, Vince gets rid of Austin without having to pay the rest of his downside guarantee and he can't go to any other companies until his contract runs out (like they'll really be any) and his worth is diminished... I can see how paranoid people trapped in jobs they must all be growing to hate could easily believe it, but I still don't understand how Vince can seriously believe that he's better off with Helmsley than Austin. And, even if Austin didn't accidentally get hurt, I still can't see how this wouldn't all end in litigation, since I assume Austin has plenty of money for lawyers and this would probably breach some part of his contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 12, 2002 It wouldn't take much to get Michaels to spite Bret, but in Lesnar's case it would probably be an instance of him just being a kid and not really knowing any better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 You can't blame Lesnar for any of it. He's like...my age and is just getting his shot in the big time against the biggest star ever, in the biggest match of his life. You do as you're told...or your career is over before it begins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 12, 2002 They don't seem to have a big problem with the business exposing part of it anyway. That's all I don't get about this. Yeah, so Austin was getting buried, and they wanted to put Brock over. But to do it like that? Have Austin possibly get hurt, have what amounts to a shoving match in the middle of the ring on live TV, and have Austin just leave on live TV, never to be seen again? What the hell kind of master plan is that? If it wasn't so ridiculous, I'd belive it. But I've said that about a lot of other "McMahon classics" too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Actually, what if all of that is true, and Vince was actually behind leaking it to Austin. He gets him to walk out without actually having to risk the dangers of going through with that on live tv and with all the benefits of him breaching his contract. Maybe I take back that thing about Vince being a fucking idiot. Though I still don't see the smarts in choosing Trips over Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Can't you see what they would have done if Austin had walked out of a Lesnar match on live TV? They would still be playing up how Lesnar was too good and Austin was scared. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 12, 2002 But not a single person who has ever watched Raw would belive that. I mean, not a single one. They might as well have started calling him "The Blue Chipper" if they did that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted October 12, 2002 And then when Triple-H eventually pins Lesnar it would be like he was beating Austin by proxy. Boy, he may be ruining the sports entertainment we love, but you gotta admit, that guy is one clever motherfucker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted October 12, 2002 And then when Triple-H eventually pins Lesnar it would be like he was beating Austin by proxy. Boy, he may be ruining the sports entertainment we love, but you gotta admit, that guy is one clever motherfucker. who has ever said he isn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 He's already up on Austin 2-0 wince his rise to power. But remember...Austin was the reason that HHH was out of meetings. And now...he's back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted October 12, 2002 He's already up on Austin 2-0 wince his rise to power. But remember...Austin was the reason that HHH was out of meetings. And now...he's back. Indeed. If Austin honestly felt that he had outmanuevered HGH he is/was a fool. Big Steph: oooohhh......oooohhh Hunter! HGH: Steph-uh I need-uh to have Jericho-uh made-uh more credible-uh....uh....have him cleanup-uh your dog's-uh shit-uh! BS: Harder hunter harder.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Man, I can't wait for the Austin shoot interview that WILL happen eventually. Maybe we'd get the full story... I wonder if Austin is plotting his eventual to WWE, playing a chess game in his head, where one side is Triple H, and the other is himself. He might be thinking up a strategy to try to get back at Trips...he should hire a hooker. While we're at it, who would in a shoot fight, Triple H or Austin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Chuck Woolery Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Triple H, no doubt. Austin's just not roided up enough to takedown the Lame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Man, I can't wait for the Austin shoot interview that WILL happen eventually. Maybe we'd get the full story... I wonder if Austin is plotting his eventual to WWE, playing a chess game in his head, where one side is Triple H, and the other is himself. He might be thinking up a strategy to try to get back at Trips...he should hire a hooker. While we're at it, who would in a shoot fight, Triple H or Austin? Who would really care? They are both political cripple assholes. Austin just gets a break here cause he was the draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Who would really care? They are both political cripple assholes. Austin just gets a break here cause he was the draw. Austin also gets a break because on occasion, he would use his powers for good, not evil. (Bily Gunn, Kicking HHH out of meetings, fucking Scott Hall over, ruining the nWo) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Who would really care? They are both political cripple assholes. Austin just gets a break here cause he was the draw. Austin also gets a break because on occasion, he would use his powers for good, not evil. (Bily Gunn, Kicking HHH out of meetings, fucking Scott Hall over, ruining the nWo) Yup. Not all politics are by their definition bad... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Their are 2 shoot interviews that I want to see but they are both tainted. 1. Austin. If anyone is going to give it to you straight about everyone else...it's him. However, he'll likely gloss over his own powerplays at the same time. 2. Jericho. Oh the stories he should tell. He's spoiled though because after years of abuse hostges start to have feelings for their captors. So it would likely turn into a defending Nash and HHH this instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the 1inch punch Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Who would really care? They are both political cripple assholes. Austin just gets a break here cause he was the draw. Austin also gets a break because on occasion, he would use his powers for good, not evil. (Bily Gunn, Kicking HHH out of meetings, fucking Scott Hall over, ruining the nWo) Yup. Not all politics are by their definition bad... Yeah but when there used against people like RVD, Jericho, Booker, Brock, D'lo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Who would really care? They are both political cripple assholes. Austin just gets a break here cause he was the draw. Austin also gets a break because on occasion, he would use his powers for good, not evil. (Bily Gunn, Kicking HHH out of meetings, fucking Scott Hall over, ruining the nWo) Yup. Not all politics are by their definition bad... Yeah but when there used against people like RVD, Jericho, Booker, Brock, D'lo I agree. I think Austin(in his mind)tried to protect the business as a whol. I think Crips is playing PYOA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted October 12, 2002 If Vince was trying to get Brock to shoot on Austin and get him to leave why did he get all depressed when Austin did leave? That's the only part that doesn't make sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted October 12, 2002 If Vince was trying to get Brock to shoot on Austin and get him to leave why did he get all depressed when Austin did leave? That's the only part that doesn't make sense to me. I don't buy this. I think someone is a(Oliver) Stoner. This is the boys' version of a ghost story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted October 12, 2002 Maybe he was trying to create the same tension that existed between Michaels/Hart and various others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted October 12, 2002 It's one hell of a story. But I dunno . . . it seems to be just that: one hell of a story. I think that something shady definitely went on, maybe something alot like this. But for some reason, it just doesn't feel right. Like there's a pice or two missing to the puzzle. Vince does seem to have fallen into a funk since Austin left, though that could be because his plans without Austin backfired severely. Who knows. If it ever comes out that this did actually go down, I'd be somewhat surprised. But then, in this business it seems the wildest possibilities usually turn out to be the true ones. SP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted October 12, 2002 I'll bet the real story, whatever it is, is probably really juicy. I'm not sure if this is true though. I have to wonder why it's coming out now, for example. One thing I do believe though. Vinnie will do anything to get what he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ozzysheadlessbattheonlinelegend Report post Posted October 13, 2002 Here's what really happened, you guys. Triple H came to the powers-that-be, namely Taker, Vince, and JR, and said.. no, I won't put in the uh's, that's done now, here's what he said, anyways.... "Austin is below average." That's pretty standard for Hunter, you know. But then Austin starts complaining of an aching neck and bad knees, but the WWE won't let him go. He writes letters to Vince Russo saying Austin will not only come to the NWA, but he'll also give all the dirt on Brock, one of Vince's most cherished employees, hitting women, if Russo can help Austin think of a way to get out of his contract. Vince, JR, and Taker intercept a copy of the letter, and Taker and JR think Austin should be given a stiff match with Lesnar, as in Lesnar will shoot, hurting Austin, and sending him a message. The boys in pro wrestling call this a Code Red. (By now you should see where I'm going with this, but if not, continue.) Austin dies in the middle of a WWE ring a few weeks later. It happened on a Sunday night house show, so nobody saw it. The next night, they attempt to cover it up, and they do a pretty damn good job of it. But some of Russo's lawyers go over those letters he got from Austin, and think something fishy's going on, and when Brock finally goes to trial for murder, it's the NWA lawyers who defend him in pro wrestling court. They go over how Brock was just doing his job, but no WWE guys heard the Code Red order other than Brock, apparently, and JR kills himself in full black hat, WWE long-sleeve button-down shirt apparel with a microphone. So anyways the trial goes on and on and on, until Vince is called to testify, because he's always been so cocky, and the NWA lawyers are sure that he wants to admit to the code red, all resulting in this speech at the end by Vince McMahon-- "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth, DAMMIT!" Brock gets off on both murder counts, but is thrown in jail for behavior unbecoming of a pro wrestler. He doesn't know what that means, obviously. Vince goes to jail, too, but first he points out that they cost the public today, because the NWA doesn't know how to entertain, and they don't eat breakfast downstairs from about a hundred pro wrestlers who want to kill them. Ok, I know a lot got lost in this translation, so sorry to have bothered you all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Czech Republic Report post Posted October 13, 2002 Yeah, sorry is right, Mr. Bat. Let's see... TheRockIsTheEuropeanChampion ozzysheadlessbattheonlinelegend SuperfluousTRITEC SuperfluousOHBTOL Spare us, Mr. Bat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ozzysheadlessbattheonlinelegend Report post Posted October 13, 2002 Hey, did you even read my post? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted October 13, 2002 No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ozzysheadlessbattheonlinelegend Report post Posted October 13, 2002 You guys suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
