Guest Redhawk Report post Posted March 1, 2002 In all of your time watching wrestling, who/what has been the worst ... --PPV --Angle/Storyline --Match --Wrestler --Seller --Announcer --World Champion --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) --Tag team --Tag team champions --King of the Ring winner --Gimmick/character --Mainstream media crossover attempt --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album --Blown spot --Miscall by an announcer --Promo --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) --Example of wasted talent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 --PPV Best: No Way Out 2001 (so sue me) Worst: No Way Out 2002 (so much talent...) --Angle/Storyline Best: Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer Worst: INVASION (had 2 great moments...but it tanked) --Match Best: Austin vs. Hart (WrestleMania 13) Talk about telling a story in the ring...not many matches change the course of wrestling history Worst: UT & Kane vs. Kronik (I can't stress how brutal this match was) --Wrestler Best: Ricky Steamboat Worst: Giant Gonzales --Seller Best: I like Jericho's Worst: Taker --Announcer Best: Joey Styles (because he CARED...and made you care) Worst: Vince McMahon --World Champion Best: Ric Flair Worst: David Arquette --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) Best: Jeff Jarrett Worst: Hacksaw Jim Duggan (U.S. title my ass) --Tag team Best: Hollywood Blondes Worst: Bolshevics --Tag team champions Best: Hollywood Blondes Worst: M.O.M. --King of the Ring winner Best: Steve Austin Worst: Mabel --Gimmick/character Best: Hurricane Worst: Papa Shango --Mainstream media crossover attempt Best: Tyson/Austin Worst: Robocop --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album Best: Christian Worst: Big Show --Blown spot Best: Benoit breaks Sabu's neck Worst: Micheals blowing ladder match ending 3 times --Miscall by an announcer Best: No idea Worst: End of Hardcore match at WrestleMania 00 (took me right out of the show) --Promo Best: Flair returns to WCW after lawsuit Worst: Any Warrior promo --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) Best: No Idea Worst: INVASION --Example of wasted talent Best: Worst: Not quite sure how this works... Most wasted: Owen Hart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jokir Report post Posted March 1, 2002 HURRICANE??? was the best gimmick/character you could think of? Keeping in mind that the topic is in ALL your time atching wrestling, I'd have to go with heel Jake 'the Snake' Roberts (although I became a huge fan when he turned face....give me a break I was like 10 at the time). Anyway, much better than a superhero gimmick, although it was good when he first started using the gimmick and was getting squashed by challenging big men to strenght competitions and the like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 I don't cosider the snake thing to be a good enough gimmick. When I rate a gimmick I look at someone who has to change their entire style of wrestling to accomidate it. Undertaker is a good example...Even Doink is a good example (although a bad gimmick) Hurricane is funny...and it got Helms over (no small feat for a cruiser) Then they put him on Jakked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jokir Report post Posted March 1, 2002 ok good point, but it DOES say gimmick/character...so I think mine'd still stand up in a court of law. And I'll agree that the Hurricane thing did help Helms get over, but (and correct me if I'm wrong on this) most comedy type gimmicks usually end up hurting the actual person once the humour wears off, which is why Hurricane's on Jakked. yes here I am some punk with 8 posts to his name disagreeing with someone who's been around forever. No I feel bad. sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 Comedy gimmicks are generally a bad thing...but they pulled the plug on him so quick that it didn't have a chance to hurt him yet. I'd assume he'd need a gimmick change before he could be seriously elavated...but at least people will know who he is now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JAMES900 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 --PPV Best- Judgement day 2001 Worst- Royal Rumble 96 --Angle/Storyline Best- Austin/ Mcmahon Worst- Nwo 2000 or what ever they were called --Match Best- RVD/Jeff Hardy - Invasion (Me like flip flop) Worst- Yokozuna/ Undertaker - RR 94 bad match and crap after it --Wrestler Best- RVD Worst- ICP I know that 2 but man they suck --Seller Best- Perfect Worst- Kronik (again I know thats but they no sell everything) --Announcer Best- JR Worst- King (annoying) --World Champion Best- Hogan Worst- Yokozuna --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) Best- Honky Tonk Man Worst- Chyna --Tag team Best- Mega Powers Worst- Kronick --Tag team champions Best- E & C Worst- Bossman and Ken Shamrock --King of the Ring winner Best- err Austin Worst- Mable --Gimmick/character Best- Doink Worst- Red Rooster --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album Best- Christians new one Worst-Bastion Booger --Blown spot Best- RVD (summerslam 2002) Worst- Jerichos (same PPV) --Miscall by an announcer Best- Jr (Show me the money matt hardy when jeff is climbing the ladder) Worst- Michale Cole (Gives away WM15 main event finish) --Promo Best- Hogan/Rock (mainly for the crowd split) Worst- Anytime Test speaks --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) Best- Angle/HHH/steph Worst- Greater Power --Example of wasted talent Best- Jerry Lynn Worst- D'Lo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted March 1, 2002 I'm just naming the worst, since that's what the thread called for... --PPV ... Heroes of Wrestling --Angle/Storyline ... Goldberg having to win 174 straight or get fired --Match ... Vince McMahon vs. Shane McMahon [pick one] --Wrestler ... Brakkus --Seller ... Giant Gonzalez --Announcer ... Vince McMahon --World Champion ... Vince McMahon --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) ... Chyna as IC champ --Tag team ... Mideon and Viscera --Tag team champions ... Rick Steiner and Kenny Kaos/Judy Bagwell --King of the Ring winner ... Mr. Ass --Gimmick/character ... Yamaguchi-san --Mainstream media crossover attempt ... Chucky the Doll --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album ... X-Factor --Blown spot ... Sting forgets to put up his leg as one of the Nasty Boys came off the top rope at Starrcade 1993. It just looked awful. --Miscall by an announcer ... "The People's Lips on the Billionaire's Ass! um, The Billionaire's Lips on the People's Behind!" --Promo ... Anything by Sid Vicious --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) ... InVasion --Example of wasted talent ... Goldberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyB Report post Posted March 1, 2002 --PPV Best: WCW Bash At The Beach 96 (Hogan Turns Heel) Worst: Hero's Of Wrestling --Angle/Storyline Best: All of the nWo angle(Original Angle 96-99) Worst: Invasion, it was just all booked wrong --Match Best : Hulk Hogan/Ultimate Warrior or Hulk Hogan/Ric Flair (The first one in 1994) Worst: The Giant/Kevin Nash --Wrestler Best: Bret Hart Worst: Giant Gonzales --Seller Best: Ric Flair Worst: Scott Norton --Announcer Best: either Scott Hudson or Bobby Heenen Worst: either Jerry Lawler or Jim Ross --World Champion Best: Hulk Hogan Worst: Vince McMahon or Vince Russo --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) Best: Bret Hart (US Title Run in WCW) Worst: Chyna --Tag team Best: The Hardy Boyz Worst: The Harris Brothers --Tag team champions Best: The Outsiders Worst: I don't know --King of the Ring winner Best: Steve Austin Worst: Billy Gunn --Gimmick/character Best: Rick Rude Worst: Red Rooster --Mainstream media crossover attempt Best: Tyson Worst: Chucky --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album Best: Tripple H's old one "My Time" Worst: DDP's new one his old WCW one used to be cool --Blown spot Best: Don't know Worst: Don't know --Miscall by an announcer Best: Don't know Worst: Don't know --Promo Best: Hulk Hogan's first heel Promo at Bash at The Beach) or Hogan/Rock on last weeks Raw. Worst: Almost any with Stephanie McMahon in them. --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) Biggest Blown Big Oppertunity: WCW/WWF Invasion --Example of wasted talent Most wasted: Devon Storm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted March 1, 2002 --PPV Best: Wrestlemania 4 (I love the tournament) Worst: Heroes Of Wrestling --Angle/Storyline Best: Savage/Flair/Liz Love Triangle Worst: Jericho spilling coffee on Kane --Match Best: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat @ Wrestlemania 3 Worst: Kane/Undertaker vs. Kronik @ Unforgiven 2001 --Wrestler Best: Ric Flair Worst: David Arquette --Seller Best: Mr. Perfect Worst: Dino Bravo --Announcer Best: Gorilla Monsoon Worst: Mark Madden --World Champion Best: Ric Flair Worst: David Arquette --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) Best: Chris Benoit (IC Champ) Worst: Chyna (IC Champ) --Tag team Best: Hardy Boyz Worst: Well Dunn --Tag team champions Best: Edge/Christian Worst: Rock/Jericho --King of the Ring winner Best: Bret Hart Worst: Edge --Gimmick/character Best: "Stone Cold" Steve Austin Worst: Shockmaster --Mainstream media crossover attempt Best: Mike Tyson @ Wrestlemania 14 Worst: Master P joins the WCW --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album Best: Gangrel Worst: Mr. Ass --Blown spot Best: RVD vs. Sabu @ Guilty As Charged 2000. Sabu is on the top rope with a chair. RVD jumps up to kick him which he does, but when Sabu lets go of the chair it hits RVD right in the nuts. Worst: Jericho falling twice @ Summerslam last year. --Miscall by an announcer Best: No Idea Worst: Michael Cole @ Wrestlemania 15. --Promo Best: Paul Heyman @ the Smackdown before Survivor Series Worst: Mick Foley @ Raw where he announced the Survivor Series card. --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) Biggest Blown Opportunity: WCW and ECW invade the WWF. --Example of wasted talent Biggest Example Of Wasted Talent: Tommy Dreamer in the WWF right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMikeSC Report post Posted March 1, 2002 In all of your time watching wrestling, who/what has been the worst ... --PPV>> Worst PPV: WCW Bash at the Beach 1999 <<--Angle/Storyline>> I guess Kaientai "castrating" Venis---any guesses as to who wrote it? <<--Match>> Sid v Nash on repeated Nitros. <<--Wrestler>> Kevin Nash <<--Seller>> Tazz <<--Announcer>> Tony Schiavone <<--World Champion>> I guess David Arquette is the easy answer---but I say Russo. <<--2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.)>> Hmmm, Bishoff a WCW Hardcore Champion <<--Tag team>> The Harris Brothers <<--Tag team champions>> Kane & Undertaker <<--King of the Ring winner>> Mabel---is there a debate? <<--Gimmick/character>> The Dog <<--Mainstream media crossover attempt>> Jay Leno at Road Wild <<--Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album>> "Man Called Sting" <<--Blown spot>> Watch any match with Jimmy Yang and Evan Karagias in the ring together. <<--Miscall by an announcer>> Does McMahon's "Whattamove!" count? <<--Promo>> Scott Steiner's promos. Any of them. <<--Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.)>> The Invasion <<--Example of wasted talent >> Christian, thus far. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 2, 2002 worst Angles/Storylines Stephanie Wedding Big Boss Man/Al Snow dog leading to Hell in Cell Mark Henry Boss Man/Big Show funeral Ministry of Darkness sacrafice of Dennis Knight Stephanie kidnapping Higher Power Sid as champ Who ran over Steve Austin....Riskishi, HHH, who did it? Brian Pillman home invasion X-Pac as champ Lo Down Headbangers wearing bras Drew Carey vs Kane at Royal Rumble Gimmick Battle Royal Hogan vs Sgt Slaughter Hogan vs anybody Yokozuna vs Luger at WMX King Mable King Billy Gunn Sable Chyna Howard Stern freaks ICP PG13 as rapping wrestlers.....lead to squash by LOD LOD with Hawk as a drunk Jake Roberts vs the King Albert "furry" back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrEvil Report post Posted March 2, 2002 PPV Best: WM 3 Worst: In your house (can't remember which one but god awful) Angle/Storyline Best: nWo Worst: nWo B team Match Best: Benoit/Jericho R.R. ladder match Worst: Nash/Mabel KOTR Wrestler Best: Benoit Worst: Albert Seller Best: Michaels Worst: Albert Announcer Best: JR but Joey Styles is my favorite Worst: Michael Cole - get an education World Champion Best: Austin Worst: (beside Arquette/Russo) Kane - just seemed to do nothing 2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.) Best: Savage Worst: Any IC champ from the past 2-3 years Tag team Best: Bulldogs Worst: Natural Disasters Tag team champions Best: Demolition Worst: Austin/HHH - maybe it would have gone somewhere without HHH's injury, but I never got the two man power trip, as far as worst by wrestling standard - Buchanan/Godfather King of the Ring winner Best: The King or Harts Worst: Mabel Gimmick/character Best: Waylon Mercy - a great idea, and perfectly performed Worst: Mantaur - why didn't he fued with El Matador Mainstream media crossover attempt Best: Cyndi Lauper - useless, but gave a lot of publicity to get us where we are now Worst: Master P - absolutely frozen Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album Best: Tie - Gangrel & Christian, best music and entrances ever Worst: X-factor, X-Pac's DX Blown spot Best: Nash dropping Wight on his head in a botched powerbomb Worst: any obvious complete miss that's oversold by the wrestler and announcer Miscall by an announcer Best: Cole not knowing names of moves - just funny now Worst: Tony Schiavone calling the Red & Black nWo Wolfpac shirts Orange & black - a little thing, but when it's the biggest angle they had going, you'd think someone could have told him about it Promo Best: Most any of Flairs but personal fav - Sid on the Heartbreak Hotel during his second WWF run Worst: Sid - can I start over, Umm, it's live Sid, Oh... Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.) Biggest - WCW when Hogan "retired", the nWo split up into the Wolfpac and the white & black, and Steiner took over. Looked to inject new life into the angle only to be killed by the fingerpoke of doom. Example of wasted talent Biggest - cruiserweights in the WWF, great wrestlers, hot matches, no tv time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted March 2, 2002 --PPV: Road Wild 97 --Angle/Storyline: Psychotic face Kurt ANgle against Austin. A dorky, crazed babyface, yeah right. --Match: El Gigante/SId, SuperBrawl 91 --Wrestler: the aforementioned El Gigante --Seller: Sid --Announcer: Jerry Lawler --World Champion: Vince McMahon --2nd level champion (IC, US, TV, etc.): Chyna --Tag team: Ding Dongs --Tag team champions: Natural Disasters --King of the Ring winner: Mabel --Gimmick/character: See worst angle/storyline --Mainstream media crossover attempt: Karl Malone/Dennis Rodman --Entrance theme/other song on a wrestling album: Too Cool --Blown spot: HBK at SummerSlam 95 blowing the ending twice --Miscall by an announcer: JR calling Benoit "Chris Jericho" and vice versa --Promo: Anything by Sid --Blown big opportunity (major storyline, etc.): Easily the Invasion --Example of wasted talent: Exactly what the hell does this mean? Worst example of wasted talent doesn't sound like a good thing, so I'll go with the best example- D'Lo Brown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
