Some good news about WrestleMania

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It appears that Chuck and Billy vs. the APA is OFF the card.

 

It was reported (forgive me for forgetting where...I actually heard about it at WDI, then found it on a news site) and the match has been taken off of WrestleMania.com

 

Well....that's good news.

 

But unless Billy & Chuck drop the belts...we're still going to have to see them at Mania.

 

Doesn't this expose how bad things are in the WWF right now?

 

They have such little plans for THE BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR...that they book a team to win a #1 contenders tag team turmoil match...only to be scrapped 2 weeks later.

[Guest El Luchadore Magnifico]

*shrugs* No matter how disorganized and lazy the WWF seems, almost ANYTHING they throw together in the next two weeks would be better than APA vs. Billy and Chuck. Hell, just throw the belts back on the Hardyz and slop together a TLC Match real quick. I'd be happy with that.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Keep the belts on Chuck & Billy.  Have them face either Storm/Christian or Test/Booker T.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I could live with Storm/Christian vs. Chuck & Billy.

 

I want to see Booker vs. Edge (even if it is caused by a shampoo commercial) and don't particularly want to see Test get another title shot.

[Guest mastermind]

Put the titles on Hall and Nash. Simple! Build the damn division. A tag title match is going to suck big donkey balls.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't want to see Hall & Nash ever win the belts.

 

Nash is garbage.

 

If they won it would be guaranteed shitty tag title matches all the way.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Yeah, putting the belts on Hall/Nash would be a step back for the tag division.  There would be no credible threat to win them back, so you would end up w/ the belts stagnating for months on end.  At least w/ Chuck/Billy, you can have them defend the belts on a regular basis.

 

The only reason I suggested Test/Booker is that neither are scheduled for Wrestlemania yet, and other than Storm/Christian, they're the only other team I would have any interest in seeing.

 

Just out of curiosity, am I the only one on this board who actually likes Chuck & Billy?

[Guest Downhome]

Yeah, putting the belts on Hall/Nash would be a step back for the tag division.  There would be no credible threat to win them back, so you would end up w/ the belts stagnating for months on end.  At least w/ Chuck/Billy, you can have them defend the belts on a regular basis.

 

A step back, that would be a step back? I think not! For one, it would actually help push Hall & Nash and help them get over that much more, PLUS it would possibly give us the APA Vs. Hall/Nash feud that I feel could be VERY hot, and could get the fans VERY much into it. Hall & Nash hold the titles could actually make those titles mean something once again, something that hasn't been for quite some time now.

 

I ain't talking about putting the titles on Hall & Nash and letting them keep them for some insane amount of time. I'm just saying let them have them for a while, and build up another team to finally defeat Hall & Nash. It would help the titles mean that much more, and it would build up whatever team that finally did defeat them.

 

Just out of curiosity, am I the only one on this board who actually likes Chuck & Billy?

 

I am actually a big fan of the Billy & Chuck team. I've been a fan of Chuck Palumbo ever since I first saw him debut on WCW Saturday Night Main Event, and I've liked him ever since. Billy is best as a tag-team guy, so even if you hate him in singles you should be semi-glad that he is in a team now, keeping him from doing his horrible "singles" thing again.

[Guest dreamer420]

I like Billy and Chuck too.  I think they are pretty funny, especially when they act a little too gay and then realize it and try to play it off.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

My fear is that by putting the belts on Hall & Nash, you would be repeating what happened in WCW.  They held the belts, and didn't really defend them on a regular basis, making for a boring tag division.

 

And an APA/Hall & Nash feud?  Yikes!  I would have absolutely *no* interest in seeing that, especially if it means putting the belts on the APA.  Can Farooq wrestle on a regular basis?

[Guest goodhelmet]

"For one, it would actually help push Hall & Nash and help them get over that much more, PLUS it would possibly give us the APA Vs. Hall/Nash feud that I feel could be VERY hot, and could get the fans VERY much into it"

 

A Hall/Nash push is exactly what I don't want. And the matches between APA/Outsiders would be UT-Kane/Kronik bad. The No-selling from three of the four participants would get on my nerves and not to mention that everything would move in slo-mo. Plus, if Hall is already casting doubts about this tenure why would the WWF take the chance of putting a belt on him?

 

 

As for BillyChuck, why would they need a homosexual gimmick to get over? Because there is nothing special about their ability to make anyone care. I really don't mind Palumbo but would have preferred O'Haire getting the nod. As for Billy, I wouldn't prefer him in the tag scene or single scene, rather the unemployed scene.

[Guest Downhome]

I like Billy and Chuck too.  I think they are pretty funny, especially when they act a little too gay and then realize it and try to play it off.

I think they could have made an APA Vs Billy/Chuck match for the titles an actuall watchable WrestleMania match. They could have started with building the "feud" up (of course, they hardly do it with any other angles, so why start with this one?)...

 

...on Smackdown last night, they should have had Billy/Chuck cut a promo on the APA saying that they were just driving down the road, and saw the APA go into that bar, and they just went in to see just what kind of bars they go to, and they could have gotten some actuall heat by doing something like this.

[Guest]

Test & Booker T ("T 'n' T") might work. But it'd be cool to see Edge involved with at least ONE of them, simply because it'll spare us another pointless Edge-Regal match.

 

Christian/Storm might be good, because they'll probably carry Billy & Chuck to a good match.

 

Let me get this straight (no pun intended): Are Billy & Chuck doing the gimmick that was said to be intended for Mike Sanders? Or just another Too Much / Lenny & Lodi type thing?

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I guess it's good

news, but I really don't care about the tag belts anymore. In the Invasion they were swapped around like a joke and now there are no teams I care about, unless Storm and Christian become a regular team, which doesn't seem likely.

New teams and new angles are needed badly.

[Guest Tony149]

Billy & Chuck are the only tag team that's getting a push. There's nobody else to put the belts on except Hall & Nash. Every other team is either stale or thrown together.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Hell, sign the Steiner brothers.

 

Er, forget I said that.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

"Plus, if Hall is already casting doubts about this tenure why would the WWF take the chance of putting a belt on him?"

 

It didn't stop WCW, and the WWF has been just as stupid recently.

[Guest the living legend]

Well looks like WreslteMania should draw some huge numbers judging by the card. mind you the WWf is booking so it will most likely flop but its a stacked card. Wrestling on this show will be pretty bad though. HHH is terrible as a babyface wrestler but I think if given 40 minutes it will work. The rest sounds terrible Edge vs. Booker T might be good if Booker can actually work for once. The Tag Title match needs something new TLC is stale but it won't do much either way. Best solution Storm and Christian vs. Hardy Boyz although Christian DDP looks like a lock for mania.

[Guest Army Eye]

The tag division is so dead right now.  Why not give Hall/Nash the titles.  The matches wouldn't be good, but they're not good now either.  They're not terrible from a workrate perspective, but they mean nothing at all.  The Hardys have fought the Dudleys 500 times and the match is always the same.  Hall/Nash would at least make the tag titles mean something again.

 

Naturally, there should be more than one defense every 2-3 months like it was in WCW.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Do you remember the travesty that befell the tag titles when the Outsiders held them? They hardly defended the damn things. Every outcome of every single match was screwy. Someone would beat them then they'd get the belts back. In order to drop them they had to sub X-Pac or Savage in. And every single match was shitty from a quality standpoint. Keep the titles away, far far away from the Outsiders.

[Guest art_vandelay]

^^exactly.

 

It would be like giving the tag titles to Austin/HHH.  Or giving the Hardcore title to Undertaker.  Or giving the tag titles to Undertaker/Kane.  They will never defend them and when they do, the chances of them losing are very slim.

 

The key to building up the tag division is not by the belts to The Outsiders, as no current team poses a threat to them.  The key to building up the tag division is by building up what you already have.  The Hardys, The Dudleys, The Scotty and Alberts, The Billy and Chucks.  As much as they suck right now, they need to keep working on it.  It will get better.  E&C/Hardys/Dudleys weren't successes for a long time either.

 

The Outsiders don't need the belts to get over anyway.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

well despite the tag match be craped WrestleMania is going to suck for good sakes it seems that vince might bring back the warrior and you know what that means...RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS (plummeting plummeting plummeting)

[Guest goodhelmet]

I'm ecstatic they blew off the tag match. Hell, I'm really hoping for a quality match to take its place. This card needs one. I posted a tag team thread where people came up with about twenty teams that would be better than the crap they are throwing out there. I don't agree with you Vandelay about the current teams. Start from scratch and start marketing towards new, fresh faces.

[Guest godthedog]

i may be the only person on the net who thinks this, but after reading in angle's book that the APA are the stiffest guys in the federation, it's made me see their matches in a whole new light & now i'm enormously entertained by them.  i'd like to see them with the titles, if only to see them shorten careers every week.

i personally had a great time seeing billy & chuck getting the living hell beaten out of them, i just see it as kind of a freakshow of stiffness.  kind of like an all-japan match, only without the psychology.  or the talent.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

there's a difference between stiffness and shortening carrers. if they really hurt people vince would fire them because he wouldn't risk his stars.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I like faarooq's style and felt a great sensation when he fucked up the Dominator against Jeff Hardy last year but Bradshaw is pitiful. His clothesline is crap. One of my dream matches would be Kobashi-Bradshaw only to see Bradshaw get his head ripped off by Kobashi! As a tag team, the formula is so stale for the two. They kick ass, faarooq plays face. Bradshaw saves, hits the clothesline and wins the match. They have shown no advancement in their skills in the last three years.

[Guest Brian]

Probably they'll shoot back to Tazz/Spike, but they might do DDP/Christian since that seems to be the new random pairing.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I like faarooq's style and felt a great sensation when he fucked up the Dominator against Jeff Hardy last year- goodhelmet

 

wold that be satisfaction or pleasure, because those are the two emotions i felt

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

They need to rebuild the tag division immediately and the best way to do that is dropping the dead weight(APA, Scoty/Albert), retool the teams with potential(Billy/Chuck; Storm/Christian), make the teams that people like interesting again(Dudleys, Hardys) and creating some new tag teams with some of the 9 million guys under contract in the dressing rooms or in the development pool.

[Guest Tony149]

If Hall & Nash got the tag titles. The WWF should make them defend them more than WCW did.