Can anything save the Benoit/Angle Feud (Spoilers)

[Guest Anglesault]

Apparently on Smackdown, the Angle/Benoit feud took YET ANOTHER downward turn, as they beat Eddy and Chavo, putting them in a tag ttile match at the PPV. Two things can happen. They can eithet lose to Edge and Rey AGAIN, just to prove that they can't beat them and stretching this damned feud until November, or they win, continuing WACKY Tag antics and possibly bringing this horrid feud until DECEMBER. Obviously, we get to have some "Tag partners who hate each other infighting" to deal with on Smackdown, dragging this feud to an all new low. if this continues after the PPV, the matches will offcially not be worth how ever many months of this dog shit feud they plan on doing. They either need to end the fucking feud, or give them a real reason to hate each other with a goal. This just isn't funny anymore.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Reposted from the PPV card spoilers thread, since it seems more appropriate here. A mod can delete my post off that thread if anyone really cares:

 

I actually think this is a decent storyline. I know you don't think it gives either Benoit or Angle any sort of upward mobility, but the matches they've been involved in have been excellent and the character relationships this program's set up between Benoit, Angle, Eddy, Chavo, Edge, and Rey are some of the best (and most unique) that the writing team's put together for a while. Aside from an initial lack of motivation to get Angle and Benoit actually fighting, everything's been gravy.

 

Onto the PPV: It seems logical for Edge and Rey to win after whichever of Benoit/Angle is going to eventually go face busts up on the other. That'd leave Edge and Rey to most likely shuffle through the lower-caliber teams (Noble/Tajiri, Farooq/D-Von) en route to a big showdown with the Guerreros, both of whom have mega-history with Rey & Edge. Meanwhile, Benoit and Angle continue the singles program and blow it off with, most likely, the Angle win at Summerslam. That's how I'd handle it, at least.

 

I could also see the booking team throwing a curve to make Angle/Benoit last even longer, either through blown Guerreros interference *against* Angle/Benoit, or successful Guerreros interference *for* Angle/Benoit against the face team here. This then gives our unhappy tag partners a bit of a run with the belts, and they do the "Benoit re-turns on Angle" bit a couple months later to get some more mileage out of the relationship. Either way you swing it, nobody really comes out the loser unless Benoit & Angle lose absolutely cleanly to Rey and Edge without a decisive dispute between them. Either the man who beats down the other gets a boost because he took action, or they win the frickin' match and look great doing so.

 

Which do you think is most likely? My guess is that Angle's going to take the pin after Benoit leaves him hanging, but it could definitely go either way. Neither man's played the face so far, and we're really only working on guesses of Angle/Lesnar at WM in predicting Angle's face turn. There are quite a few possibilities here.

[Guest Anglesault]

I actually think this is a decent storyline. I know you don't think it gives either Benoit or Angle any sort of upward mobility, but the matches they've been involved in have been excellent and the character relationships this program's set up between Benoit, Angle, Eddy, Chavo, Edge, and Rey are some of the best (and most unique) that the writing team's put together for a while.

It's unique because non one has a reason to hate each other!

 

The feud in a nut shell.

 

Angle, Benoit and Eddy team one week. Noting of nore happens, but a long and terribly confusing feud starts that goes like this:

 

Angle: Benoit, I hate you!

Benoit: No, I hate you!

 

(Angle and Benoit start to brawl)

 

Eddy: Hey, I hate you both!

Chavo: Well, since I'm suddenly teaming with eddy out of the blue, I hate you to!

 

(Eddy and Chavo attack)

 

Edge: I hate all of you!

Rey: Hell, I have nothing better to do!

 

(Edge and Rey attack)

 

Me: Why does everyone hate each other?

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

At this point I'm very thankful that the feud is simply wrestlers hating each other, new hates and teams evolving, and has nothing to do with potential affairs, murder, or the delightful fusion of the two, necrophilia.

 

I'm waiting for Angle and Benoit to find out that they're actually long-lost brothers, and Father always liked Angle best, leading to a Benoit heel turn. Before they get sent back in time, that is.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Benoit and Angle have had a rivalry going for over a year and a half, is that no reason to hate eachother? Is competition not enough reason to hate eachother?

 

The feud is great for both guys. If you haven't noticed, Benoit and Angle are finally being pushed as main eventers. We get great matches, they get more exposure. What the fuck is the problem?

[Guest Anglesault]

Well, there are reasons for people to hate each other that aren't over the top. I mean, have Angle comment on how Benoit is enver champion, have them accidently hit each other, give us SOME reason as to why they hate each other.

[Guest Anglesault]

Benoit and Angle have had a rivalry going for over a year and a half, is that no reason to hate eachother?

The rivalry that ended June 2001?

 

The feud is great for both guys. If you haven't noticed, Benoit and Angle are finally being pushed as main eventers

 

They ARE? What are they the little known "Special" main eventers who lose to almost everyone and midcard the PPVs?

[Guest art_vandelay]

The rivalry that ended June 2001?

 

What's the matter? Not used to continuity in your traditional WWE storylines? Can Sting no longer have beef with Flair? And what exactly did Benoit/Angle do to end their feud besides Angle getting his medals back and Benoit not caring about him anymore? Doesn't exactly sound too resolved to me.

 

They ARE? What are they the little known "Special" main eventers who lose to almost everyone and midcard the PPVs?

 

Well I'm talking about the TV. Besides Taker/Lesnar, their storylines have been the major focus of the shows and both are featured in more prominent roles on TV than what they had in the past, you can't deny that.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Anglesault-

 

Do you even understand some of the fundamentals of wrestling?

 

The Benoit/Angle story is unfolding as well as any angle the WEEEEEEEEE has done in a long time. It is similiar to the 3/27/94 Hokuto/Kandori v Kong/Nakano match where Hokuto/Kandori hated each other yet ended up having to work together to defend their promotions and their pride.

 

I hate the WWE but you seem way to cynical, for absolutely no reason.

 

Tim

[Guest godthedog]

you guys are only encouraging him with this. i've tried it before: he will not heed ANYTHING you say. something as stupid as "matches might not be worth it anymore" when applied to kurt fucking angle and chris fucking benoit doesn't deserve a direct reply anyway.

[Guest Anglesault]

What's the matter? Not used to continuity in your traditional WWE storylines?

a) That hasn't been touched on all feud.

b) if they hated each other so damn much from last year, why were they fighting together for the forces of evil for the month and a half before this new feud started?

 

Well I'm talking about the TV. Besides Taker/Lesnar, their storylines have been the major focus of the shows and both are featured in more prominent roles on TV than what they had in the past, you can't deny that.

 

And you can't deny that it means jackshit. Booker T and RVD are big parts of Raw. They are far from main eventers.

 

 

It is similiar to the 3/27/94 Hokuto/Kandori v Kong/Nakano match where Hokuto/Kandori hated each other yet ended up having to work together to defend their promotions and their pride.

 

Okay, I don't watch Japanese wrestling, but from what you said, They hated each other because they ran/were in different promotions but teamed to save their promotions from evil people. Angle and Benoit hate each other because benoit laughed at Angle and they are teaming because Stephanie said so.

[Guest Anglesault]

something as stupid as "matches might not be worth it anymore" when applied to kurt fucking angle and chris fucking benoit doesn't deserve a direct reply anyway.

Ya know, I think it's just that I take it a little too seriously, and I have a hard time enjoying a great match, knowing that no matter how hard they work, no matter how good the match is, no matter how well it's received, they will be right back in the midcard the next day.

[Guest Anglesault]

And I personally don't see what Angle losing to Edge AGAIN will accomplish.

[Guest art_vandelay]

a) That hasn't been touched on all feud.

b) if they hated each other so damn much from last year, why were they fighting together for the forces of evil for the month and a half before this new feud started?

 

Because time had passed and they had bigger goals in mind, their hate was put aside and perhaps even forgotten. Now that they've pissed off each other again, all the hate is free to come back just as strong as it was before. It's human behaviour! Not everything is wrestling is formulaic and basic.

 

 

Booker T and RVD are big parts of Raw.

 

You mean like this past week as Booker screamed "BOOOYAH" as he slapped his leather strap, or two weeks ago when he fought Big Show in the opener? The difference between Raw and Smackdown: SmackDown's PPV main eventers only talk on TV, they never have any matches with each other, not even tag matches like we see on Raw. This makes room for the second-tier roster (Benoit/Angle) to main event those TV shows. On Raw, you've got the top guys wrestling in the main event each week in matches where outcomes are incredibly predictable. Whether it be Triple H vs. RVD or Kane vs. Everyone else besides Triple H, the combatants are uneven. On Smackdown, you get any combination of Benoit/Angle/Eddy/Rey/Edge where ANYBODY can win (well, maybe not Eddy).

[Guest art_vandelay]

you guys are only encouraging him with this. i've tried it before: he will not heed ANYTHING you say. something as stupid as "matches might not be worth it anymore" when applied to kurt fucking angle and chris fucking benoit doesn't deserve a direct reply anyway.

You're absolutely right, but I'm bored. Attempting to convince the unconvinceable seems like a more productive activity than just surfing porn or whatever.

[Guest Anglesault]

a) That hasn't been touched on all feud.

b) if they hated each other so damn much from last year, why were they fighting together for the forces of evil for the month and a half before this new feud started?

 

Because time had passed and they had bigger goals in mind, their hate was put aside and perhaps even forgotten. Now that they've pissed off each other again, all the hate is free to come back just as strong as it was before. It's human behaviour! Not everything is wrestling is formulaic and basic.

You know, I can almost accept that. Just, you know MENTION your god damned history every once in a while. And maybe have some kind of goal in mind by the end of this feud. I think I'm more annoyed with the way the feud has panned out, anyway. It's just not compelling TV. I mean, yeah, the match was great, but EVERY SINGLE thing they have done with this feud has been either very predictable, or insansely stupid, servinf to do nothing but make Benoit and Angle look like morons. And now they have to job to Edge AGAIN.

[Guest Nater]

AS, you are trying to squeeze water from a stone. The Benoit/Angle theme is working as well as it needs to, do you actually expect the WWE writers to come up with an intricate 5-year backstory on the rivalry just for you? No, not gonna happen.

 

Also, do ANY angles in the WWE have any depth? NO

 

Will this theme bring Angle and Benoit more into the light for the Belt? Yes.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Where does the Angle/Benoit/Undertaker #1 contenders match fit into the timeline ? My memory's a bit fuzzy but I thought it was this match that rekindled the Benoit/Angle feud.

 

Eddie initially sided with Benoit for obvious reasons and then played off the Benoit/Angle situation when it suited his own needs.

 

Story hangs together well enough for me.

 

I'd like to see Benoit/Angle bond over the next couple of months, possibly using Benoit/Lesnar as the lead in to Angle's shot at Lesnar at Mania.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

But it wouldn't be ridiculous if they both wanted to prove to each other that they can win the tag titles alone, so they keep attacking each other so they can go alone against Edge and Rey, it would bring an interesting angle to the match and one we've not seen in a while and then they have a genuine reason to hate each other afterwards

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Man, AS is the most pessimistic person around here.

At least Angle and Benoit are wrestling on the PPV, where as guys like Eddy are getting the snub for a womens match between Torrie and Dawn Marie over Torrie's Father or something..

Just be glad that they didnt have Chavo and Eddy win because Angle and Benoit couldnt get along. Angle/Benoit wouldn't have a match because of that pointless women's match and that would seem to be a bit worse to me..

[Guest commie_050]

Is it just or does everyone here have to defend the integrity of their arguments by saying, "Hey I hate the WWE too, but ..."

 

By the way, I do hate the WWE too.

[Guest nikowwf]

This is my take

 

I don't like that the feud is being blown off. HOWEVER, I think this is a way for Heyman to keep them from being "free". Basically, Vince can't get an idea to sacrifice Angle to Brock a week before the December PPV if Angle has an angle, pardon the pun.

 

They are treading water until Angle can get ready for the Wrestlemania stretch run.

 

Thats my take. Hell, people having good matches on PPV, even if it isnt the match i ideally want is not something i am going to bitch about when championship contenders on Raw are raping dead people.

 

Niko

[Guest Brian]

I think he's protecting Benoit more than Angle, because Angle will probably end up in the end with the main event spot. The only problem with that is he's not really giving Angle a chance to cement himself in the scene, as some people say it, but others will argue he never really left the title scene. It looks like angle's going to turn face out of all of this right now, just because they're teasing the Benoit turn.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I agree w/ Brian, Benoit needs protection much more then Angle needs it. Benoit doesn't have the natural crowd reaction that Angle does, so a loss that might mean nothing for Angle, means something for Benoit. He doesn't have the amazing ability to bounce back after a loss like Angle does.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

. Angle and Benoit hate each other because benoit laughed at Angle and they are teaming because Stephanie said so.

Ha Ha, its funny cos its true

[Guest Anglesault]

They are treading water until Angle can get ready for the Wrestlemania stretch run.

Yeah, that's the key. Make the challenger look like an absolute bumbling moron until the very day that you absolutely MUST push him (The Day after No Way Out) or Mania will bomb.

[Guest permagrinning]

They are treading water until Angle can get ready for the Wrestlemania stretch run.

Yeah, that's the key. Make the challenger look like an absolute bumbling moron until the very day that you absolutely MUST push him (The Day after No Way Out) or Mania will bomb.

no they're doing just so you can sit and rant and piss yourself. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying some of the best wrestling that the WWE has put in a while. Screw the story lines, just let the matches unfold.