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[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I was *just* about to say that.

 

The Alliance turn was totally unneeded, and the crybaby angle was just embarassing. Those did more damage than being called a bed-wetter for one night could ever do.

[Guest Anglesault]

When you have someone that is DESPERATELY in need of cred, you don't have his opponent go out and say "You suck I'm gonna beat you, dork, loser you can never win becace you suck and I'm so much better than you why are we even having this match, it's just a waste of everyone's time, just give me the belt now" and then have the guy LOSE. That just proves the opponent right and fucks the guy over.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

That's not the point. You claimed it killed his career, while ignoring everything else, only because it involved someone you don't happen to like.

 

Besides, that happened to remind me of Kurt Angle post-Summerslam pre-Unforgiven 2001.

[Guest Anglesault]

That promo sent him down on the downward spiral. Within a week, he joined thr alliance, lost the title, got demoted to an untelevised Euro run and set the wheels in motion.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Who's to say that the alliance turn and the title loss wasn't planned before the promo? You also make it sound like Edge ad-libbed (and not just in this case either). I highly doubt that.

 

I honestly doubt that even if the decision was afterwards, the bookers thought: "Oh, Edge belittled Christian so much that one night, that even though Christian got his licks in more than once, we should take the belt off him RIGHT NOW and depush him IMMEDIATELY."

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh no, Christian was treated like shit the whole feud. But that one promo just brought everything to a head, basically. Once the fans realized that Edge didn't see Christian as a threat at all, no one did. He was fucked from that point on.

 

The only reason I blame Edge is he did it in EVERY feud he had, making me think he just can't cut a decent promo and they are forced to write this shit.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

You are just assuming that Christian wasn't perceived as a threat from that point on, and assuming that the writers are "forced" to write "this shit".

 

If you're going to just push your assumptions as fact than I won't continue this debate any further. Sorry.

[Guest Anglesault]

The minute A guy says "You can't beat me" and proves himself right, the other guy looks bad. I can't see how that is debatable.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I know. Kurt Angle was the worst at that.

 

IRONY~!

[Guest teke184]

Blah blah blah, Edge destroys everyone's careers, Angle is god, I'm a broken record.

 

Edge doesn't destroy careers, bad booking does. Unless Edge is in the production meetings saying "I've got to make this guy look like a total putz then squash him", like ANOTHER guy with long blonde hair does, then you're just pushing your anti-Edge agenda because he has gone over Angle several times. Angle's at least gone over Edge at least once, so that's STILL more than the number of times Jericho's beaten HHH that have been officially recognized.

 

I swear that Shawn Michaels could come back and have a 5-star match with Angle and you'd still bitch than Angle didn't walk in there, pimp slap him, then break his ankle to get the anklelock over as a killer submission.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Edge gets way too much beef here. Even if he does the littlest thing (ie. spearing Angle before the main event last night), people are all over him. Give Edge a break. I don't think he is in Vince's ear, telling him what he should do. And Edge hasn't gotten a monster push either. He does go over a lot, but really, where does it get him? He's not considered a main eventer...he has been in the same place in the card for a while now.

[Guest Anglesault]

Blah blah blah, Edge destroys everyone's careers, Angle is god, I'm a broken record.

 

Edge doesn't destroy careers, bad booking does. Unless Edge is in the production meetings saying "I've got to make this guy look like a total putz then squash him", like ANOTHER guy with long blonde hair does, then you're just pushing your anti-Edge agenda because he has gone over Angle several times submission.

The Edge character does. Storm, Christian, Regal, Jericho(somewhat) and Angle (to an extent) did REAL well after being a fool of by "Edge" right?

 

I know. Kurt Angle was the worst at that.

 

IRONY~!

 

To WHO?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Just TRY and tell me that this isn't worse than anything Edge has done. JUST TRY.

 

From July 30, 2001:

 

Michael King Cole stands with Angle backstage. Tonight, he's got a no disqualification rematch - is his reign in jeopardy? "Jeopardy? Michael, you know who called me the other day? Mary Lou Retton. Oh that's right - little Mary Lou, who hasn't been seen since 1984, was so inspired by my win, she had the confidence to show herself to show herself in public again. And that's what this is all about - confidence. I'm confident that I can beat Booker T. And do you know why? Because I'm better than him! And Booker T, I couldn't believe you. After I beat you, you were CRYING? If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a man who cries after he loses! It's okay if you cry after you win, but if you lose, and then you cry...you're nothing but a two-time loser! And speaking of losers, there's another guy that I KNOW that I'm better than...and that's Stone Cold Steve Austin. And Stone Cold...I'm a better athlete than you...I'm a better competitor than you. Heck, I'm even a better singer than you! Which is why I have the confidence to challenge you to a match at SummerSlam for the World Wrestling Federation title - a match in which I intend to bring the WWF title back home to where it belongs. And that's not a wish - that's not a promise, oh no - that, my friend, is true."

 

Wow, belittling two people in one promo! Calling them losers, check. Saying that he's better, check. Making them out to be non-threats, check. That is just scratching the surface of that period.

 

Thanks to CRZ.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle lost that match to Booker.

[Guest CanadianChick]

That's some damning evidence. And I would like to say that Angle did the same thing to Rey Misterio before their match.

[Guest CanadianChick]

That's some damning evidence. And I would like to say that Angle did the same thing to Rey Misterio before their match.

[Guest teke184]

Blah blah blah, Edge destroys everyone's careers, Angle is god, I'm a broken record.

 

Edge doesn't destroy careers, bad booking does.  Unless Edge is in the production meetings saying "I've got to make this guy look like a total putz then squash him", like ANOTHER guy with long blonde hair does, then you're just pushing your anti-Edge agenda because he has gone over Angle several times submission.

The Edge character does. Storm, Christian, Regal, Jericho(somewhat) and Angle (to an extent) did REAL well after being a fool of by "Edge" right?

Angle has suffered from feuding with Edge? Then why is he getting the most response of anyone on SD? Angle's done just fine and has given some new life to his character through his decision to lose a hair-vs-hair match to Edge. (And before you blame Edge for this, Angle himself wanted to be shaved bald and figured that he'd at least make an angle of it so that it would pay off.)

 

Storm was depushed tremendously, so Edge didn't have much to do with his downfall. Hell, NONE of the true WCW or ECW guys, except RVD, were taken seriously around this time, and Storm's downfall was nothing compared to Booker's.

 

Regal? Don't even get me started... Regal killed EDGE's heat and Edge didn't finish this putz off, RVD did.

 

Christian was a victim of bad booking, as was Jericho. Christian was put into a gimmick where he LOST MATCHES ALL THE TIME and whined about it. Something tells me THAT had more to do with his position now than losing a feud with Edge.

 

Jericho, OTOH, has suffered more from being HHH's bitch than having a halfassed feud with Edge that never made it onto PPV.

[Guest CanadianChick]

That's some damning evidence. And I would like to say that Angle did the same thing to Rey Misterio before their match.

 

EDIT: Sorry about that 3X post.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle has suffered from feuding with Edge?

 

For a full month he was the laughing stock of Smackdown, with zero credibility.

 

Angle's done just fine and has given some new life to his character through his decision to lose a hair-vs-hair match to Edge.

 

The wig was a real winning idea.

 

I'm not saying that Adam Copeland is directly responsible. I'm saying that is character is so terrible that when his feuds end, his opponent looks so bad that the writinfg staff can't logically do anything with them.

 

As for Storm, christian and Regal, I've just noted that the depushes basically begin, like the day after the Edge feud is over. It's kind of eerie. And Edge was just as responsible as Regal for that feud.

[Guest teke184]

Billy Brassknucks is incapable of having a good match with anyone on the WWE roster besides Chris Benoit, so him having boring matches with Edge is not Edge's fault.

 

Besides that, did you ever consider that the bad writing may be responsible for the situation? Gerwitz made his career by writing Edge and Christian promos, so him writing crappy material for Edge is not exactly going to end with both sides looking good.

[Guest chirs3]

Mulatto Heat

 

Just TRY and tell me that this isn't worse than anything Edge has done. JUST TRY.

 

From July 30, 2001:

 

Michael King Cole stands with Angle backstage. Tonight, he's got a no disqualification rematch - is his reign in jeopardy? "Jeopardy? Michael, you know who called me the other day? Mary Lou Retton. Oh that's right - little Mary Lou, who hasn't been seen since 1984, was so inspired by my win, she had the confidence to show herself to show herself in public again. And that's what this is all about - confidence. I'm confident that I can beat Booker T. And do you know why? Because I'm better than him! And Booker T, I couldn't believe you. After I beat you, you were CRYING? If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a man who cries after he loses! It's okay if you cry after you win, but if you lose, and then you cry...you're nothing but a two-time loser! And speaking of losers, there's another guy that I KNOW that I'm better than...and that's Stone Cold Steve Austin. And Stone Cold...I'm a better athlete than you...I'm a better competitor than you. Heck, I'm even a better singer than you! Which is why I have the confidence to challenge you to a match at SummerSlam for the World Wrestling Federation title - a match in which I intend to bring the WWF title back home to where it belongs. And that's not a wish - that's not a promise, oh no - that, my friend, is true."

 

Wow, belittling two people in one promo! Calling them losers, check. Saying that he's better, check. Making them out to be non-threats, check. That is just scratching the surface of that period.

 

Thanks to CRZ.

 

Anglesault

 

Angle lost that match to Booker.

 

That cracked me up.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Teke became a HHHater like the same day it started.

 

Yodeler came up with the idea...and AS and I were down with it...then Teke joined like an hour later.

 

Teke is old school.

 

 

And Christian's career was killed when they took the Euro title off of him and did nothing to follow up. He was in a good midcard groove as Euro champ.

[Guest Anglesault]

Billy Brassknucks is incapable of having a good match with anyone on the WWE roster besides Chris Benoit, so him having boring matches with Edge is not Edge's fault.

The feud wasn't great either. Regal was trying to make it serious, but Edge would have none of that, so it was a train wreck.

[Guest Anglesault]

Mulatto Heat

 

QUOTE  

Just TRY and tell me that this isn't worse than anything Edge has done. JUST TRY.

 

From July 30, 2001:

 

Michael King Cole stands with Angle backstage. Tonight, he's got a no disqualification rematch - is his reign in jeopardy? "Jeopardy? Michael, you know who called me the other day? Mary Lou Retton. Oh that's right - little Mary Lou, who hasn't been seen since 1984, was so inspired by my win, she had the confidence to show herself to show herself in public again. And that's what this is all about - confidence. I'm confident that I can beat Booker T. And do you know why? Because I'm better than him! And Booker T, I couldn't believe you. After I beat you, you were CRYING? If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a man who cries after he loses! It's okay if you cry after you win, but if you lose, and then you cry...you're nothing but a two-time loser! And speaking of losers, there's another guy that I KNOW that I'm better than...and that's Stone Cold Steve Austin. And Stone Cold...I'm a better athlete than you...I'm a better competitor than you. Heck, I'm even a better singer than you! Which is why I have the confidence to challenge you to a match at SummerSlam for the World Wrestling Federation title - a match in which I intend to bring the WWF title back home to where it belongs. And that's not a wish - that's not a promise, oh no - that, my friend, is true."

 

Wow, belittling two people in one promo! Calling them losers, check. Saying that he's better, check. Making them out to be non-threats, check. That is just scratching the surface of that period.

 

Thanks to CRZ.  

 

 

Anglesault

 

QUOTE  

Angle lost that match to Booker.  

 

 

That cracked me up.

 

What? I see nothing wrong with ", oops, you beat me." I have a huge problem with You can't beat me, you can't beat me, you can't beat me, See, I TOLD you so!" Booker beat Angle in that match. As for Austin, he beat Angle, what 4, 5 times after that promo to Angle's one or so?

[Guest CanadianChick]

How do you explain Angle's attitude with Rey?

[Guest chirs3]

No no 'Sault, I'm with you on this issue.

 

It cracked me up because Mulatto Heat was either arguing against you without actually knowing what your argument was, or he just forgot, because you negated his entire post with six little words.

 

That cracked me up.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

If I could get back on topic, which would be the ticket sales, I would just like to say that it's pretty sad to see an arena that can seat 14,000 only have an attendance between 5,000 and 6,000. I'd like to know how the WWE is going to explain the low attendance.

[Guest Anglesault]

How do you explain Angle's attitude with Rey?

Rey beat Angle the week after Unforgiven.

[Guest chirs3]

Rey Rey was booked to look like a threat - Angle would say "Rey? Ha! I fart in your general direction!", then he was pinned by Rey in a tag match and driven up the f'n wall by him building towards SummerSlam through costing him matches and assaulting him repeatedly.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I'm not denying that Angle made Rey look good in the actual match, but during interviews, he would call Rey a midget and say how Rey isn't in Angle's league, ect. ect. That isn't exactly building your opponent great.