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[Guest MrRant]

I get so tired of people wanting to send HHH to OVW or injury himself. I wish people would understand that HHH blowing a quad etc would not "help" business. Fans still react to HHH so he is still valuable. He needs to be told his role and put into a position that utilizes his strengths which is something unfortuantley the RAW side isn't doing for anyone.

[Guest Kinetic]

I agree. He's definitely an asset to the company, at least in terms of the value of his name. I think he'd make a competent undercard guy; someone to pop the crowd early on before letting the big-time talent give the people what they really paid to see. Kind of like the cruisers in WCW, only slow and boring. Someone here mentioned him going to Heat to feud with Raven a while back. I think that'd be tops. He'll need to find a niche somewhere in the post-Stephanie WWE, assuming such a glorious wonderland ever exists.

[Guest MrRant]

I actually think he can be a good upper-level guy and main eventer depending on what the angle is and who he is up against. He hasn't really had the best opponents talent-wise to wrestle except for RVD.

[Guest Kinetic]

He didn't really have a great match with him, either. I've really given HHH a lot of chances since his comeback and he's blown every one of them. I honestly don't think the guy has what it takes to be a good professional wrestler anymore, thus he shouldn't be anywhere near the main event in our hypothetical Steph-less WWE. Maybe another marquee match or two with HBK, but that's about it.

[Guest MrRant]

I think his problem is that he thinks he is better than he is. His problem is he isn't doing for everyone what he did for HBK which was what he did pre-injury. Being with Steph probably has made him that way since he doesn't really have to work to get into the big angles anymore.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

No no 'Sault, I'm with you on this issue.

 

It cracked me up because Mulatto Heat was either arguing against you without actually knowing what your argument was, or he just forgot, because you negated his entire post with six little words.

 

That cracked me up.

Buddy, I didn't "forget", I took off. Believe it or not, there are more interesting things to do on a Friday night than argue with Anglesault.

 

Booker may have beat Angle in that match, but then again, that tends to happen in a 2-on-1 situation, which basically what that match was. Austin basically handed Booker his 5th WCW World championship.

 

We also seem to be forgetting that Angle beat Booker twice afterwards, once on Smackdown a week and a half after Summerslam, and once the RAW right after Unforgiven. Why wasn't this brought up? Oh yes, that would negate AS's point. AS himself negated nothing by stating the lamest excuse of a counter-point I've ever seen. It's absolutely hypocritical for AS to yammer on and on about Edge belittling opponents when I posted an interview about Angle doing so to TWO opponents in ONE interview.

 

Oh, and it was Benoit that got pinned by Mysterio on the SD after Unforgiven, not Angle. I could have whined about Benoit selling the 619 for the third week in a row on Thursday night like some of you did about Angle and the spear, but then again Benoit isn't as worshipped here as Angle (oh, you know it's true - no pun intended), so I guess it's not as acceptable.

 

Just accept the fact that Angle was basically doing Edge's act during his Big Face Run, only 1000 times worse.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Kinetic: I don't know about that. Vince Russo was writing storylines and plenty of people still got over.

 

MrRant: Actually, I'm one of the more forgiving people on this board when it comes to HHH, since he was my favorite wrestler for 2000 and early 2001. I lost interest in the guy when he didn't turn face against McMahon after the Austin heel turn. Then the quad tear, and so on.

 

I think the man may need a few months of rest followed up with a couple months of cardio exercise to get his leg back at 100% (well, 95%). I think it still has to be an issue for him to be this off on his matches.

 

So far all he's done since his comeback is bump and blade for Shawn Michaels. If all he can do is bump and blade, there's obviously a lot missing from his original formula.

[Guest SP-1]

I'd like to see how they'd try to label Jericho as the cause of this, myself.

 

I, personally, blame Vince McMahon more than I blame Taker, HHH, Kane, or Brock. I think we've all read past and present employees of WWE state, "No matter what, Vince is the boss," in various ways enough to know that something is amiss with Mister McMahon. He's slipping, and he's letting his company slip. Vinny Mac needs to wake up and take charge of things. Come to his senses and pay attention to the audience more than his own pesonal feelings on whether or not the Soap Opera crap is working. Soon he'll be happy with the soap stuff, but he'll be the only person in the building, too.

 

I joke around a little about HHH, but ultimately it isn't the man or his work that gets to me. It's what appears to be his massive ego. And you know, we can trust internet reports only so far, I know, but you can see alot of stuff just in the programming too.

 

I think that if HHH had some time off, like you're saying Jobber, to just work on getting himself in the best shape possible, and to cool down his perception of himself, he could come back and really help get the quality of WWE back to where it needs to be.

 

I think that not just HHH, but the WWE as a whole right now is just a big mass of writhing confusion. The whole way the merging of WCW into WWE has just led to a state of loosely organized chaos (yes, a blatant contradiction is the best way I can think of to describe it). Unfortunately, as it appears it is heading with the figures for No Mercy, I think Vince is just going to have to nearly bottom out somewhere before he is forced to rethink his strategy and get the right people in the right places.

 

Until such a time, we're gonna get stuck with crap like this.

 

hoo boy, I guess that's my first mini-rant around here . . .

 

SP

[Guest Vitamin X]

4. Push RVD, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Eddy Guererro, Matt Hardy, and Rey Misterio.

I think you forgot Chris Jericho. He's still more entertaining than Booker T...And younger, plus, and I think this is a very sad fact, he's white and therefore more marketable.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Oh, and actually I'd like to point out while we all like to ejaculate over our own fantasies of how we want WWE to be or become, nothing will change until the ratings and buyrates get so low, one of the major shows would get cancelled and eventually Vince McMahon will have to sell the company due to bankruptcy...

 

and there will be a buyer who would LOVE to fire Stephanie, HHH, and Taker...his name?

 

TED F'N TURNER!!!! (cue Dr. Evil laugh) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

wCw 4 LiFe?

[Guest AndrewTS]

Oh, and actually I'd like to point out while we all like to ejaculate over our own fantasies of how we want WWE to be or become, nothing will change until the ratings and buyrates get so low, one of the major shows would get cancelled and eventually Vince McMahon will have to sell the company due to bankruptcy...

 

and there will be a buyer who would LOVE to fire Stephanie, HHH, and Taker...his name?

 

TED F'N TURNER!!!! (cue Dr. Evil laugh) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

wCw 4 LiFe?

Ah, yes, and Ted knew SO well how to hire the types of persons who could effectively run WCW, right?

 

The only hope would for by some stroke of luck that Ted hires someone with a clue to run it who would then hire other people that actually have a clue.

 

Heyman's ultimate revenge on Vince?

 

(PS: I know Heyman's a lousy businessman, but would be good creatively. They can hire competent people to take care of the business end.)

[Guest AndrewTS]

I get so tired of people wanting to send HHH to OVW or injury himself. I wish people would understand that HHH blowing a quad etc would not "help" business. Fans still react to HHH so he is still valuable. He needs to be told his role and put into a position that utilizes his strengths which is something unfortuantley the RAW side isn't doing for anyone.

I realize that too, even as a devoted HHHater. Problem is, there is no way that his ego would allow him to do that, because he seems to think that a top position on the card, being in the top (or nearly all) angles, and either holding the title(s) or being in the running for it is his divine right. Big Steph and Vince aren't going to tell him it isn't, so it'd take something like an injury to keep him from all that.

[Guest Brian]

And Angle basically pulled the same trick on Mysterio.

[Guest Anglesault]

It's absolutely hypocritical for AS to yammer on and on about Edge belittling opponents when I posted an interview about Angle doing so to TWO opponents in ONE interview.

And lose to both of them. Don't forget that little point. Angle said he would do two things in that interview: beat booker and Beat Austin at Summerslam for the belt. Oops.

 

Just accept the fact that Angle was basically doing Edge's act during his Big Face Run, only 1000 times worse.

 

How can it be worse if Angle never won the blow off?

[Guest Brian]

What about what he did with Mysterio? Did he not beat Booker multiple times?

[Guest Anglesault]

And Booker beat him multiple times.

 

The misterio nonsense was a mess. But, Angle looked like shit that whole feud, abd just talked big. He enevr actually DID anything to rey until Summerslam. Rey Kicked his ass like 4 times, pinned him, humiliated him and tricked him numerous times. No where near Edge's "Kill the guy every week, say they can't beat you, humiliate them and pin them" programs.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Booker beat Angle twice. Angle beat Booker three times. Look it up.

 

And when did Edge ever say "you can't beat me"? Never in the literal sense like Angle always does. You know it to be true. Just like you know that Edge never "killed the other guy every week".

 

Go to slashwrestling.com to refresh your memory. It seems to be needed.

[Guest Anglesault]

Booker beat Angle twice. Angle beat Booker three times. Look it up.

Oh.

 

And when did Edge ever say "you can't beat me"?

 

It's heavily implied.

 

Just like you know that Edge never "killed the other guy every week".

 

Look at the Eddy feud. And to a lesser extent, the Angle feud, especially during the month of may. But the Eddy feud was obvious.

[Guest Brian]

Eddie was getting the upperhand for most of the end of the feud.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

EVERY WEEK?

 

Go back to the Smackdown just before Unforgiven.

[Guest Anglesault]

It was a three month feud. Eddy got the upper hand the week before Unforgiven at he won at Unforgiven. Edge won the next week on SD to blow it off

 

EVERY WEEK?

 

Go back to the Smackdown just before Unforgiven.

 

And at Unforgiven, I know. But the feud started in JULY! Eddy got the upper hand over him ONE time on free TV. That's no onesided?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

You said every week. Maybe next time you should watch what you say before posting so you don't have to backtrack all the time.

[Guest Anglesault]

Jesus Christ.