Guest Jobber of the Week Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 This talk about bringing back the Four Horsemen obviously has everybody nervous. If WWE's track record this year stays true to form, the history and name of the group can be effectively ruined. Talk about a recreated Horsemen with the rage in July, usually with Benoit involved. As expected, the speculated HHH-led Horsemen have been met with much less enthusiasm. Regardless of who is involved, do you think this is a good idea or a bad idea? I know with Rhyno coming back in a few months (?), I would much rather see Paul Heyman start up a new Dangerous Alliance than see a new Horsemen, but whatever. Thoughts? Opinions? Flames?
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 They shouldn't try ANYTHING from old WCW. That company went under for a reason. There's no way a casual fan would want to pay to see a rehash of a dead gimmick. That's why the NWO killed the ratings like they did. You have to admit, the minute they came in, the company really started to suck. The Four Hossmen with Orton, Batista, HHH, and Flair wouldnt' do much better.
Guest bravesfan Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 The WWE should take heed from stables that ended while they were FRESH. For example, the idea of young up-and-comers led by a veteran (Natural Born Thrillers) can still be capitalized on, while the stable of strong heels led by a charismatic manager (Dangerous Allliance) will work as well. Let's bury the idea of stables that made big business in their heyday, but can't really live up to its standards if they were rehashed today (nWo, Horsemen, DX)...
Guest bravesfan Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 They shouldn't try ANYTHING from old WCW. Considering the angles they're doing now, these old WCW angles are a leg above the current WWE landscape"necrophiliac, adulterous faces" and "heat-toilet, dominating heels".
Guest Vitamin X Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 I think there's plenty they can try from the old WCW, seeing as how the WWE is STILL salvageable, but stables aren't what put WCW under, it was the politicking... Thank you, HHH and Taker!
Guest DeputyHawk Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 i've been hoping for a dangerous alliance style stable led by paul e. ever since he first showed up in 2001. but any charismatic manager with a solid heel stable will always do well. i remember in mid-2000 shane was heading into running a heel stable with benoit, angle, edge & christian but for whatever reason it never really got off the ground, cause the golden booking turned to crap after summerslam that year. it's a damn shame.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 AGGGHHHH!!!!!! The Horsemen's legacy was ruined a long time ago, and HHH lifting it again is just his sad attempt to convince everyone that he's the next Flair, when he's more likely the next Dusty. No one wants to see this shit anymore, just like no one wanted the nWo anymore. Time to move on. What the hell happened to Vince's request for "new, interesting ideas"? What, does that translate to "steel another old angle to grab ratings!!" in WWE-speak? Come up with something originial or don't fucking bother. Depressing.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 i've been hoping for a dangerous alliance style stable led by paul e. ever since he first showed up in 2001. but any charismatic manager with a solid heel stable will always do well. i remember in mid-2000 shane was heading into running a heel stable with benoit, angle, edge & christian but for whatever reason it never really got off the ground, cause the golden booking turned to crap after summerslam that year. it's a damn shame. Shane's stable was awesome, no doubt. Problem was, it was too damn powerful, seeing as how Edge and Christian were the dominant tag champs and Angle and Benoit were both being pushed as main-event heels. Some people seem to forget just how over Benoit was at that time, moreso then any other point in his WWF career. And Shane, well he's just a great manager. His problem in the Alliance angle was that they never seemed sure as to what to do with him. The Shane/Benoit partnership was still great though, it combined the two opposite forces of extreme heeldom, Benoit the bad-ass, sadistic technician and Shane the wussy coward.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 The heel stable also included a returning Big Show who was supposed to face Undertaker at Summerslam, but Show was sent back to the developmentals almost immediately because of his weight problems and we got Kane turn #3608 instead. I attribute that to why that stable never got off the ground.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 Ah yes, the millionth Kane turn which, incidentally, was totally hilarious. Pointless and dumb, but hilarious.
Guest Banky Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 The Radicalz could have been the 4 Horseman of the future, but that was clearly shit on.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 "I AM.... A MONSTER!!!" Oh, that was beautiful. Then Taker getting angry, but being punked out by Kane and chokeslammed TO HELL, if Hell indeed is THE GIMMICKED RING OF ETERNAL DOOM. Not to mention the ridiculous punchfest at the PPV where Taker STOLE Kane's mask. Oh, the humanity!
Guest Army Eye Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 This talk about bringing back the Four Horsemen obviously has everybody nervous. If WWE's track record this year stays true to form, the history and name of the group can be effectively ruined. That's why I don't want to see it happen. Because WWE, uh, sucks. They killed the nWo by booking it terribly. Burying them on their second show.. Whoever ends up in the Horsemen, the leader will need the help of all three of the other Horsemen to beat Bubba Ray Dudley, and even then Bubba Ray will still get a visual pinfall. That basically sums up why I don't want to see it.
Guest jester Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 They should make some new stables. New names, new faces. They should get all the bland rookies like Orton and Cena together and make them a heel stable. They can call themselves "The Future" or something like that, because they are tomorrow's main eventers. And just have them cheat like mad on each others' matches. You might have fond memories of the nwo, DX, the Flock, whatever. Ask yourself this: do you really want these stables reborn under the writing of the maniacs that brought us Katie Fick? (Or Vick, Dick, Sick, whatever)
Guest Cataclysm911 Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 You know, if the people involved give a damn, the new four horsemen could work. I mean, bringing back rehashed stables from the past is kindof lame, but the WWE writers are lame, so what do you expect? Hell, Michael Hayes is still an employee.. bring back the fucking Freebirds! Hayes can manage them.
ChrisMWaters Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 I know which stable to bring back... THE CORPORATION! . . . . . Kidding. Well, maybe the MILLION DOLLAR Corporation. THAT was a fun group.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 Nobody's called for the return of the LWO yet? So, so sad...
ChrisMWaters Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 Nobody's called for the return of the LWO yet? So, so sad... Hehehe...maybe that's what Eddie and Chavo can call themselves as a tag team.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted October 19, 2002 Report Posted October 19, 2002 Lol, LWO ruled all there was to rule. Screw the rest of them, just bring in La Parka and call it the La Parka World Order. I like it. YES, UYI is *BACK* ladies and gents, lucky you...new and improved signature coming SOON
Guest BaldFish Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 I think the Dangerous Alliance will be coming back slowly on SmackDown. Lesnar and Matt are basically on board already at this point. Toss in, say, Eddie/Chavo? Nice little four-man stable there.
Guest Michael Joel Benoit Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 I thought that Vince would actually bring back his Corporation earlier this year. Back when Booker T. and Big Bossman returned to feud with Austin. And when he showed a liking to Jericho. I thought he would add new wrestlers to feud with Flair and the other babyfaces in the company. which could have worked if the WWE bookers could actually be smart enough to put a new Corporation 2002 over as a threat. But that ended when the nWo was signed. Big Bossman got pushed REAL down the card. Cripple H returned. And Booker T. got pushed down the card and turned into Stone Cold's bitch. Maybe it was best that Vince didn't rehash the Corporation. They weren't THAT memorable. They were just Vince's henchmen in his feud with Austin. The only thing I did like about the Corporation was the No Chance In Hell song and their first entrance video. The one where all the members were introduced. I also thought it looked cool when the Corporation all walked together into the ring like Vince's own corporate army. Does anyone have the Corporation's entrance video?
Guest gwf0704 Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 People who keep saying that the NWO failed miserably in the WWE dont acknowledge that it failed due to bad writing and Vince's ego. When the music hit the fans would go ape shit, even you anti-WCW haters out there know that. But the problem is that WWE writers screw everything up. The Invasion angle would have been so cool but the writers would never let them have a victory. NWO was written all wrong with members not being able to show that they could dominate other WWE wrestlers. Hell, even the UnAmericans where screwed over due to the amazing Hair dispute that pissed off the writers. I dont want the 4 Horseman back if the writers are going to screw them over, but if they did return, a nice feud with Booker T, RVD and Kane could be awesome, if they have Flair in the JJ Dillon spot as manager and the 4 wrestlers as HHH, Batista, Orton and Jericho.....
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 There was also the fact that Hall and Nash couldn't keep up with the pace of the organization. Bad booking or not, being burnt out almost straight out of the gate (like Hall) and tearing a quadricep on live TV after 11.5 seconds of ring action (like Nash) isn't dependent on a win or a loss.
Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20 Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 I've got one Word for you all: ::Train Horn:: UNION!
Guest gwf0704 Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 Are you talking about the same fast pace that Regal and Bubba Ray fight at. Give me a break..... They told Juventud Guerrera, Rey Misterio and the other cruisers to slow it down, so pace has nothing to do with it. Also, Nash messed up his knee due to an ill conceived match in which there was no script, no planning and in which the majority of the wrestlers had already performed earlier. And could you please stop with the old, Nash was not in shape or sober thread as he was never drunk in the ring, before a match or after a match when he rejoined the WWE. Stop going on what he did in WCW and see that he tried in WWE. I mean, the guy is taking anti-alcohol pills and during one beatdown by SCSA he gets beer poured on him. Give the guy credit for at least being sober and trying to stay sober.....
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 I'm not talking about the pace of matches, I'm talking about the pace of the entire roster - house shows every weekend, 2 TV shows a week, etc. Face it, if they could keep up, Nash and Hall would be wrestling to this day in WWE. And stop with the "ill-conceived match" stuff, Nash tore his quad walking. Ohhh, he tried, he tried, do they want a damn medal or what?
Guest gwf0704 Posted October 20, 2002 Report Posted October 20, 2002 Hey, if what he did is walking then youve got a different dictionary than I do. No medal, just enough of the abuse already....
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