Would Kane be better without the mask?

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

I think the WWF should have Kane wrestle as a separate person/character without exposing that it is Kane.  Sure, the smarks will know but we all know Vince doesn't care about the smarks.  The casual fan wouldn't have any idea of course.  They could even have Kane wrestle later on the same card and the marks still wouldn't be able to tell.  This way, if the new character/Glen gets over, Vince can just eliminate the Kane gimmick (or save it if he feels he needs it again).  JR and King can kayfabe him as a new wrestler they've never seen or heard of before and see if the marks eat it up or not.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

A while ago I read on the net a perfect way to have Kane lose the mask (but I don't remember who wrote it or where I saw it, it might have been SK) ... Raven proves to Kane that all his scars are INSIDE, that he's not a scarred freak but was only convinced that he was.  Kane then becomes an unstoppable monster again; and the two of them could then be pushed as a tag team, or Raven could be the mouthpiece for a Kane/Kanyon team.

[Guest converge241]

The raven idea would be a great cataclyst to accomplish three good things:

Kane gets a character makeover/new motivation

Raven returns with a push

The flock could reform.

 

The Flock could get over big time with The WWF audience.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Have him [Kane] be the "New Sting", the guy to stop the NWO. Have him suffer a huge beatdown and in the process the NWO taks the mask.

Then have a big deal exposing how he was never burnt and how mentally unbalanced he is. Then you have a whole vindication storyline where he "finds himself" and destroys the NWO.

 

That sounds okay in theory, but it could end up a disaster and ruin Kane for a long time. Plus the WWF isn't likely to push Kane as the one who'll destroy the nWo.  

 

But, say this did happen and was booked to perfection ... you can bet that there'd be a bunch of people here complaining that the writers need to be replaced 'cause they've run out of original ideas.

 

And don't get me started on those writers ... they seem to run out of original ideas even after they ran out of them the month before. Going by some of the comments I've read, at least.  

 

He has that look that would catch on with non-fans, like the Crow character did. He's not the best wrestler or talker, but they can work on that during his build-up.

 

So non-fans would tune in because they'd find his face to be pleasing? 'Cause the only change you mentioned was him losing the mask.

 

 

 

Kane then becomes an unstoppable monster again; and the two of them could then be pushed as a tag team, or Raven could be the mouthpiece for a Kane/Kanyon team.

 

I've always wondered this ... why does everyone seem to want either Kanyon teaming with Raven or as a member of a new Flock?

 

Also, didn't the WWF want to join Kane with Raven once he arrived in the company? I remember one time, I think during the Jericho feud, he sat in at the commentary table and talked about how he accepts that he's a monster now that he was finally shown the light. Something like that.

 

 

 

Both Kane and Big Show need to use their names.  Kane needs to lose his mask, it needs to be explaned it was all a storyline.

 

That's some pretty asinine stuff, bub! If you need me to tell you why, just gimme a holler!

 

Getting him plastic surgery is an insult to the fans' intelligence, limited as the marks may be.

 

How is him getting plastic surgery an insult to your intelligence?

 

Oh, and since you seem like jackass and don't happen to like having your intelligence insulted ... I'm going to do just that. Risk's intelligence—you're probably not as high you think you are! HAW!! Double whammy!

 

Well, the [Kane] gimmick sucks.  He needs a new gimmick or he needs to get off my tv.

 

Maybe you should ask him that next time you see him down at the barbershop. S'also very considerate of you to demand he only leaves your television ... and not that he leaves my television.

 

Kane and Hurricane have really bad characters.  They need to bget new gimmicks...NOW.

 

Because the WWF needs to cater to your wishes exclusively and ignore those of everyone else.

 

Yup.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Well i can tell you why ewveryone wants kanyon and raven together. Kanyon was a flock memmber and he and raven had great chemistry together. simple as that.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Personally, I don't think a new Flock would draw.  

 

Basically, the problem is that the fans would have to think while listening to Raven ramble because that was the basis of everything he did in WCW(minus the weak ass Dead Pool garbage). The attention spans today aren't as long as they were back in 97/98, so from a promo standpoint, they would be dead in the water when it came time to talk.

 

Also, the whole idea behind the original Flock was pretty homoerotic(I'm not saying they would go there, but still) and with Billy/Chuck around, it would seem to be just another "gay" angle and that's a BAD thing.

 

I was thinking of soemthing else, but I forgot, so fuck it. Maybe I'll remember tomorrow...

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

no wonder you're always pissed off your always forgetting ideas.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

And now, my pièce de résistance! An idea so outstanding it deser— nay, needs a space all its own!

 

 

I think the WWF should have Kane wrestle as a separate person/character without exposing that it is Kane.  Sure, the smarks will know but we all know Vince doesn't care about the smarks.  The casual fan wouldn't have any idea of course.  They could even have Kane wrestle later on the same card and the marks still wouldn't be able to tell.  This way, if the new character/Glen gets over, Vince can just eliminate the Kane gimmick (or save it if he feels he needs it again).  JR and King can kayfabe him as a new wrestler they've never seen or heard of before and see if the marks eat it up or not.

 

Are you saying they’d expect the "marks" to eat it up because the announcers say he’s a new wrestler they’ve never heard nor seen before?

 

Anyhow, it'd be cute to see them try something like that. And when the non-Kane character fails, which I think it would,  and they decide to have him go back to the non-non-Kane character, they could get rid of non-Kane by having him murdered onscreen by Crash Holly and Funaki.

 

That would lead into a push for them as a pair of monsters ... monsters who make up for their lack of size with an unparalleled thirst for blood. This would have limitless possibilities, so I won't even bother to try and get into 'em here.

 

Of course, their buzz could fade if they only got to kill one guy. To avoid that, every so often the WWF should hire an aging indy star they'd never want otherwise and push him as an exciting new addition to the promotion. Then, after about two or three months of getting the fans to love the guy, Crash and Funaki would attack him backstage or wherever.

 

Then they'd take him to some remote area, bludgeon him to death and quaff on his life-sauce. Since it would be ludicrous to have a WWF cameraman film the occasional atrocities, they would film it themselves. Or, have it filmed by a mysterious ... "third man" ... hmmm ....

 

Then that brings up the question of how it would make it on the air. I mean, it would be silly for the WWF to air a tape of one of their wrestlers getting murdered on their own volition. So ... to make it seem believable ... Funaki would be put over as an electronics genius so off-the-charts that he'll be able to wire their camcorder to have what they're recording take the place of the WWF's live feed. He'd also do something neat that would make the WWF unable to stop it or go to a commercial. They'd only do this on RAW and the pay-per-views, too because you gotta make this believable.

 

This would be a blockbuster angle, and there's no reason for the WWF not to do it. If they don't want to hire the independent guys, they could just throw people like Storm or Bradshaw out there in masks. Like with Kane, only backwards.

[Guest Army Eye]

Basically, the problem is that the fans would have to think while listening to Raven ramble because that was the basis of everything he did in WCW(minus the weak ass Dead Pool garbage). The attention spans today aren't as long as they were back in 97/98, so from a promo standpoint, they would be dead in the water when it came time to talk.

I dunno.. you think?  We get a 20 minute promo almost every week these days, and Raven's weren't anywhere near that long

[Guest goodhelmet]

Yeah, I agree with Army Eye, plus the majority of the fans will accept whoever the WWF pushes on us. If the WWF wants them to be important then they will get their air time. The exceptions are guys like Albert and Test who noone gives a shit about.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Albert and Test are two of my favorite wrestlers ... ever.

 

For real. Well ... Albert not as much now, y'know, with the Hip-Hop Hippo gimmick.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Albert and Test are two of my favorite wrestlers ... ever. "

 

ok, I apologize. But you would be in the minority

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i geuss one bad apple is attracted to other bad appples.

 

 

ok THAT was a bad one.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

ok, I apologize. But you would be in the minority

Are you blind? I'm a white guy, jerk.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

hello white guy! your the minority on planet earth.

[Guest imajackoff?]

Glenn Jacobs is fugly so I doubt the WWF or mankind wants him without a mask to hide his ugly ass face.

Yup.  Some guys are better off wearing masks cuz they dont have much in the looks department. See: Kanyon, Chris.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

I'm talking about the United States, nation of fifty. I felt that was made pretty clear, with my Texas accent and all.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm talking about the United States, nation of fifty. I felt that was made pretty clear, with my Texas accent and all.

Did you have to practice to get this dumb? or were you a child protege?

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Did you have to practice to get this dumb? or were you a child protege?

That'd be child prodigy.

 

I'm sorry for embarrassing you like this.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Are you blind? I'm a white guy, jerk."

 

I'm afraid that you being white does not prevent you from being in the minority of wrestling fans who like Test and Albert. If they disappeared, the MAJORITY of wrestling fans would not give a shit.....jerk!

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

it's alright, i love humble pie. mmmmmm that's good. your still annoying but humble pie is good mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Guest Army Eye]

Glenn Jacobs is fugly so I doubt the WWF or mankind wants him without a mask to hide his ugly ass face.

Yup.  Some guys are better off wearing masks cuz they dont have much in the looks department. See: Kanyon, Chris.

Yeah, some guys are better off with the mask.  I don't know about Kanyon though.  His goofy look really helps his heel character, which is a goofy one.  This was especially evident when he was doing Positively Kanyon and wearing that blond wig.  He looked so ridiculous it was great

 

His looks probably WOULD hold him back if he was ever pushed as more of a no-nonsense, badass heel.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Kanyon is such a great goofball heel, him and kurt angle tag team!!! I'd love it E&C version 2.0

[Guest goodhelmet]

Fuck it, if they are gonna keep Kane around, let Kane and Kanyon team up as Kane and Mortis. I proposed that idea on the old board back in August but everyone wanted him to feud with DDP again.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

I'm afraid that you being white does not prevent you from being in the minority of wrestling fans who like Test and Albert. If they disappeared, the MAJORITY of wrestling fans would not give a shit.....jerk!

 

I'd say whites make up the majority of wrestling fans, too! How am I a minority?! It would be different if I was black or Latin, but I'm not! No offense to any black or Latin people, either!

 

 

it's alright, i love humble pie. mmmmmm that's good. your still annoying but humble pie is good mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

I think you could have saved face better by not responding at all. Moron.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

not a bad idea. it would definetly be different. i'd like to see something different on wwf programing. how long tl Kanyon is back in action?

 

 

sidnote: I'm so close to 500 i can smell it.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"I'd say whites make up the majority of wrestling fans, too! How am I a minority?! It would be different if I was black or Latin, but I'm not! No offense to any black or Latin people, either!"

 

No it wouldn't because the word "minority" does not only refer to race. The initial comment has NOTHING to do with race.

This is the definition I was referring to:

 

minority-The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.

 

The first group being those wrestling fans who like Test and Albert- the minority group

The second group being those wrestling fans who hope they both disappear from the WWF never to wrestle again- the MAJORITY.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I think you could have saved face better by not responding at all. Moron. -One Bad Apple

 

why would i care about saving face this is a fucking wrestling forum your opinion doesn't mean shit too me especially when your a dick about it.

 

sarcasm dude, look it up. It's what i'm all about.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

No it wouldn't because the word "minority" does not only refer to race. The initial comment has NOTHING to do with race.

This is the definition I was referring to:

 

minority-The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.

 

The first group being those wrestling fans who like Test and Albert- the minority group

The second group being those wrestling fans who hope they both disappear from the WWF never to wrestle again- the MAJORITY.

I was yankin' your chain.

 

 

why would i care about saving face this is a fucking wrestling forum ....

 

My guess is the same reason why you seem to care about getting your 500th post.

 

your opinion doesn't mean shit too me especially when your a dick about it.

 

I'm sorry, I thought you were the one who tried to insult me with:

 

"Did you have to practice to get this dumb? or were you a child protege?"

 

I must be a real dick to call you a moron after that and your "humble pie" comment.

 

sarcasm dude, look it up. It's what i'm all about.

 

If I was "all about" something, I'd at least make an attempt to understand it.

[Guest imajackoff?]

Fuck it, if they are gonna keep Kane around, let Kane and Kanyon team up as Kane and Mortis. I proposed that idea on the old board back in August but everyone wanted him to feud with DDP again.

You know what? I think that could work.