The One and Only Religion Thread

[Guest BaldFish]

Interesting fact:

 

The only reason I don't believe in God is because he told me not to.

 

Discuss.

[Guest T®ITEC]

You were the one that claimed to actually be a necrophiliac in the RAW thread, right?

 

Discuss. Uhm, yeah. Okay.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Neither side will win this argument.

 

That said, the Nothingist of the board says you should all just chill and leave each other alone.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest BaldFish]

You were the one that claimed to actually be a necrophiliac in the RAW thread, right?

 

Discuss. Uhm, yeah. Okay.

Hey, do you have a problem with necrophilia? It's great--no need for foreplay, and they never say no. I bet you'd love it--isn't it time you came out of the coffin?

 

What can I say? Rigor mortis makes me hard.

[Guest BaldFish]

(by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, it was a JOKE--I only had sex with a dead body once, and I thought she was just passed out)

 

(yes, for those of you slow with the irony, that too was a joke)

[Guest Kamui]

I'm Neo-Pagan, personally.

 

I don't believe in the Chrisitan God because he seems to be a pussy ruler- i.e. he sends half the world to Hell just because they don't believe in him, etc. Seems like the all-powerful-being cares a bit too much about his own ego.

 

That's just one reason but I'll only continue if the debate actually gets going. Someone counter-point my point and there's a start to the debate.

 

-Duo

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

That wasn't irony, it was just a bad joke. There is a difference.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Ewww.... anyway, uhhh... what exactly is it you wish to discuss in this thread? I'm Jewish, and although I'm not devout (e.g. I don't obey EVERY strict rule, I'm Reform), its still very dear to me, and I do believe a God and afterlife exist, however I still believe humans have free will and that God doesn't interfere with matters here on earth. The afterlife is more of a "balance the scales" thing so all the people who suffer in life and can't do anything about it because of oppressive government, poor living conditions, etc. but were still "good people" can get whats due to them. Otherwise, why bother being good?

[Guest BaldFish]

Actually, in all seriousness, I don't believe in any sort of god--I just don't see the evidence. It seems like all anyone has as "evidence" is vague feelings of inadequacy in the face of nature.

 

I had an interesting discussion about all of this the other day with a quasi-deistic chick. A possible theory is that because I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, the concepts of God and intolerance are irrevocably linked in my mind--and therefore, God has chosen to conceal him/herself from me, in order to make me a better person. I immediately dismissed the claim as silly and unsupported, but then I thought, "Wait. If God doesn't want me to believe in him/her, wouldn't I immediately dismiss that claim?" And then I thought, "Well, wait, I just found a flaw." And then I thought, "Well, wait, maybe I'm only trying to CONVINCE myself I found a flaw."

 

And then I got a major headache and had a beer, and everything felt alllll better.

[Guest T®ITEC]

(by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, it was a JOKE--I only had sex with a dead body once, and I thought she was just passed out)

 

(yes, for those of you slow with the irony, that too was a joke)

Somehow, tonight, I pretty much did believe you. Damn. RAW clouded my judgement... Though an actual necrophiliac on the board would've been interesting.

 

As for religion... Uhm... Well, I don't believe in anything, maybe there's something out there, I don't know. I'd rather not say what I'm thinking.

 

Fun times!

[Guest Kamui]

Yeah, but BaldFish if you don't believe in God, you go to Hell according to the Bible, so I guess that means if you believe in your theory, you believe in a deity but not the Christian God, right?

 

-Duo

[Guest BaldFish]

Yeah, but BaldFish if you don't believe in God, you go to Hell according to the Bible, so I guess that means if you believe in your theory, you believe in a deity but not the Christian God, right?

 

-Duo

I don't believe in my theory, that's the point. It's actually more along the lines of "conjecture" than "theory"--theories have strong supporting evidence. This is more of a logical Strange Loop.

 

And I'm just talking about the existence of... well, let's call it the Dirty Hippie God, the one that wants the best for everyone and tweaks reality occasionally to help out.

[Guest Kamui]

Well, the "Dirty Hippie God" is actually the highest power in most forms of Neo-Paganism, which is one reason why I was attracted to it in the first place.

 

-Duo

[Guest BaldFish]

Yeah. But one of the things I believe is that it's stupid to WANT to believe things. I feel that it's much wiser to go with objective facts and base your beliefs and decisions off of those. You can evolve your beliefs and let the ones with the best evidence outlive the ones with poor evidence. If I don't have any evidence for a belief, I don't believe it.

 

I don't actively DISBELIEVE it either though--I'm an agnostic atheist, which means that I ain't seen nothin' so far, and until I do, I ain't believin' nothin', neither.

[Guest SP-1]

I'm a Christian. I suppose you could say a Charasmatic one, though I've only vaguely researched the term. My personal supernatural experiences have led me to seeking the more supernatural side of things, and that tends to be labeled as Charasmatic.

 

But I also don't think that any point is going to accurately get across on a discussion board, let alone in a thread based in a folder that is set up primarily for flaming. I don't mind discussing it one on one with someone, if they're prepared to sit and discuss it and not bait me into a mindless argument that amounts to, "You're dumb cuz you believe this and I don't."

 

So . . . there you go. I'm a devout Christian. I have my flaws, and I have many of them. But I don't see much point in attempting to have a deep discussion on a message board, really.

 

-SP, who will likely lurk for most of the thread.

[Guest DrTom]

These threads never really do anything. The atheists and the believers exchange what-ifs and yes-buts, both sides occasionally quote the Bible and other sources, and no one walks away with their opinions changed. It's a nice idea, but ultimately pointless.

 

FWIW in this futile exercise, I am a devout atheist.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm devouter than you. And if you don't agree, it's fucking JIHAD, bitch.

[Guest BaldFish]

Because this is the flame board, I would just like to make a silly, asinine comment.

 

Jesus ate my puppy. That is all.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

religion is a crutch, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. I think the reason nobody ever wins these arguments is there isn't any common ground between faith and logic for you to argue on. they're mutually exclusive.

I'd just like to say that I'm slightly annoyed by those that say Satanism isn't evil, and doesn't actually promote the worship of the devil, cause it's not true

[Guest Insane Clown Dan]

The common belief among atheists is that religion is a way to explain phenomena that couldn't be understood without science.

 

So, in one argument with an atheist before, I formed a reverse argument that science is man's way of explaining how God controls the universe. And, well, we had nothing left to argue over, because no argument that was made by either of us couldn't be countered.

 

And, what is with the petty arguing over how you view a diety in contrast to how you view another? We all, IMO, worship the same God but have a different conception of what God is, and the arguing over what God was is what divided people into religions. It is rather stupid, considering that wars and unthinkable sins in name of religion are what filled most of European history.

[Guest Jack Tunney]

so........if you don't beleive in God or accept Jesus as your savior you are sent to Hell.But since God knows the future he knew that you'd never beleive in him, and he's just creating you to eventually send you to Hell.

 

 

 

That one always stumps the bible thumpers.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

religion can answer anything with God being so far above you that you are incapable of understanding his methods or motivations. it's an all purpose rebuttal.

just for kicks, here's the one contradiction in the bible that nobody I know has ever been able to counter: the bible says that god cannot be in the presence of sin while he is in heaven. Jesus said that if you lust after a woman, it's the same as commiting adultery, or if you're angry at someone, it's the same as murder, meaning that you have sinned in your mind before you've ever commited the act. Lucifer was cast out of heaven for the sin of pride, in trying to overthrow god, yet he had time to get 1/3 of the angels on his side. so during that recruitment period, god was tolerating Lucifer's sin, which the bible says he cannot do.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

I'm athiest.

 

I was raised Roman Catholic, but my family never practiced. Eventually after years of this, I came to the conclusion that a supreme being, heaven, hell, and everything of the sort is just such a far-fetched notion anyway, to the point that I can't believe in it or have faith that such exists. On the subject of the Bible, it should only serve as a moral guide of sorts, but anyone who puts tons of stock into it and believes every single word of it needs help.

 

Oh, and there's the whole "all religion is a crutch" thing, brought up by IDrinkRat'sMilk which I honestly believe. But of course, I don't care if you believe in whoever, just as long as you don't start shoving it into anyone's face.

[Guest Insane Clown Dan]

so........if you don't beleive in God or accept Jesus as your savior you are sent to Hell.But since God knows the future he knew that you'd never beleive in him, and he's just creating you to eventually send you to Hell.

 

 

 

That one always stumps the bible thumpers.

Well, then either God doesn't know the future to the extent of very insignificant individuals or he creates potentially evil people because he has fate drawn out to be that way.

 

I know that was a lame answer compared to your clever question, but it was to prove the point that the only answer to your question is not "there is no God". Your question only proves that not everything said in the Bible is true, and I actually agree with that.

 

 

 

 

If you want to rid yourself of strict and ridiculous religious rules, just be a freaking Hindu! Then you can believe anything as long as it involves some sort of spiritual force =P

[Guest Angle-plex]

I don't know what I am right now. My family is catholic, but none of us have been to church in over 5 years. I never finished Sunday School either.

 

I didn't doubt god until I listen to that damn George Carlin. He's pretty convincing.

[Guest Ram]

so........if you don't beleive in God or accept Jesus as your savior you are sent to Hell.But since God knows the future he knew that you'd never beleive in him, and he's just creating you to eventually send you to Hell.

 

 

 

That one always stumps the bible thumpers.

Actually, God (apparently) chooses to not know what will happen and when it will happen (the end of the world). This can be seen when Jesus doesn't know when the world will end, and from this you can assume the final judgement is unknown to God (since He chooses so) and he doesn't know where anybody will go (heaven or hell.)

 

I figure He does this to give everyone the chance of life, rather than not create them so they won't be damned. Then again, I got a C+ in English, so what do I know?

[Guest Insanityman]

Well... I'm agnostic. I can't fathom a God existing, but I don't see how a higher power couldn't be present.

[Guest BaldFish]

I was going to get my girlfriend a puppy for Hanukkah. But I couldn't figure out how to fit it into eight boxes...

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Hey, where's RobJohnstone when you need him...

[Guest evenflowDDT]

so........if you don't beleive in God or accept Jesus as your savior you are sent to Hell.But since God knows the future he knew that you'd never beleive in him, and he's just creating you to eventually send you to Hell.

Ahh, the wonders of being Jewish, where there is no Hell. I've always found the argument that those who don't believe in/accept Jesus to go to Hell to be totally flawed because if they don't know Jesus they obviously don't know the Christian concept of Hell, so why would it work? (Unfortunately, the cruelty by the majority of missionaries throughout history was more of an "encouragement" than any sort of ideal)

 

Now then, as mentioned earlier I believe God doesn't control or take an active part in individual people's lives, so even if God "knows the future" he wouldn't just unmake people just because they didn't believe in Him (not that anyone would notice). If there weren't any "sinners", Earth would be Heaven, and there'd be no incentive for "upward advancement" if you will.