Guest DrTom Report post Posted October 23, 2002 Actually, God (apparently) chooses to not know what will happen and when it will happen (the end of the world). This can be seen when Jesus doesn't know when the world will end, and from this you can assume the final judgement is unknown to God (since He chooses so) and he doesn't know where anybody will go (heaven or hell.) So God's just intellectually lazy? It's an interesting argument, though. Taken at face value, it's another knock against the alleged perfection of the Judeo-Christian god, since intellectual laziness and willful ignorance are not aspects of perfection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted October 23, 2002 I'd just like to say that I'm slightly annoyed by those that say Satanism isn't evil, and doesn't actually promote the worship of the devil, cause it's not true Satanists worship self-indulgence and gratification. "Satan" just happens to be the easiest way to personify that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted October 23, 2002 I'm a Roman Catholic, and I was raised as a Jesuit, but I despise the Pope and I loathe Bible-thumpers like RobJohnstone - who rarely even understand Christianity, let alone philosophy or science. I accept the fact of evolution and deep time. I acknowledge every single inconsistency in the Bible and Christian dogma. I think there are huge gaps in the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent God. This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted October 23, 2002 yeah, but can you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted October 23, 2002 I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted October 23, 2002 Let me put it this way, If you do, do you think it's because of the way you were raised, or is it real faith? That's something I'm always curious about when conversing with the religious. Faith baffles me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted October 23, 2002 Again, I take the Fifth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted October 23, 2002 That question goes for anyone else feeling faithful, too. *Readies the Sodium Amytol syringe* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Midnight Express83 Report post Posted October 23, 2002 I believe in god, just about everyone does. Even those who say they don't. It is human nature to believe in a higher power. I don't believe in organized religion. I think it takes the pureity out of faith. I see it more for polticial gain(the past, and places in the present). And reason for blind hatird(Isreal vs the middle east). I think if people weren't so gun ho about organized religion, there wouldn't be problems like they are in parts of the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted October 23, 2002 I am not a big fan of organized religion. I just see no purpose in it, it never really seems to cause anything but trouble (violence, hatred, people becoming assholes my roommate for two years was a big "You're a sinner" type). I do believe in a God-like being because of science. The Law of Conservation of Matter states that matter can not be created or destroyed only changed, according to my logic that means someone or something had to get the ball started. I do not believe that there is a God looking down at people and caring what happens one way or another he/she/it just wound up the watch and is watching as it slowly counts itself down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BaldFish Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Rob Van Dam died on the cross for my sins. I know that if I follow after Him, and if I frequently indulge in "the sacrament", then after I die I will go to a land where RVD/Angle is the headliner at every PPV and Taker does jobs for Funaki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest T®ITEC Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Damn dude, it's like you're on a roll tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted October 24, 2002 That's more like Purgatory. Heaven would have Benoit/Angle, or possibly Benoit/Angle/Eddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BaldFish Report post Posted October 24, 2002 And in hell, they have an army of cloned Hulk Hogans... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Hogan/Mark Henry/Giant Gonzalez/Big Show "Eternal Iron Man" match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BaldFish Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Hey, what does a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac do? Stays up all night, wondering if there is a dog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted October 26, 2002 That question goes for anyone else feeling faithful, too. *Readies the Sodium Amytol syringe* Well, now that you mention it, for a long time I was actually atheist/agnostic, but I decided to renew my faith when I realized that too many people in this world get undeservedly screwed for there to not be a cosmic balancing of the scales after death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites