Tom brady= most undeserving mvp ever.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm not saying that they would have won the game.

 

But there WERE 2 seconds left on the clock.

 

So the Rams got screwed.

 

It wasn't like the Sabres in triple overtime of game 6 of the Stanley Cup with Brett Hull's skate in the crease screwed...but it wasn't fair.

[Guest Kingpk]

Seeing that I've finally found the damn Ikonboard, this should be a good place for my 1st post.

 

Tom Brady as MVP

 

Ok, so maybe Brady wasn't the most popular choice as MVP.  But, really, anyone on that team could have gotten a vote:  Law for his INT for a TD, Troy Brown for making good plays on both offense and special teams, Antowain Smith for having 90 yards rushing and getting the 1st downs when they needed them, and Vinateri, for obvious reasons.

 

2 Seconds Left, or Is It?

 

I think a good explanation was brought up by Dale Arnold today on WEEI.  He said that the guy that shot off the confetti at the end of the game got a little trigger-happy when the ball went through.  You can't really play if you are blinded by red, white, and blue confetti.

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

We can't REALLY still be talking about this, can we?

 

If you don't give it to the D and you don't give it to Vinateri what about Antowain Smith ...

Good question, because he really did help the Pats move the chains when he needed to.  I just didn't think he did anything spectacular either.  Usually, the MVP award goes to the guy who makes the spectacular plays.  Key?  Yes.  MVP?  No.

 

Willie McGinnest?  Didn't he almost cost them the game by holding Faulk?

Eh, that call was touchy.  On the first hit, he was inside the initial chuck lines for the initial contact, and everything after that was on the side away from where Warner was rolling out.  In fact, that play was designed to go to Faulk, but McGinest went to take on the block, got a nice hit in, and Warner had to make something up.  Warner would've never rolled out if McGinest doesn't make that hit to begin with.

 

Of course it's possible to run it back for a touchdown.  Rams got screwed.

Then *THEY* should've put up a better fight.  Mike Martz should've grabbed a ref and told him there was two seconds left.  Someone should've thrown a hissy fit on that Rams sideline.  And if they didn't care enough to get the time put back on the clock, what makes you think that they would've cared enough to return the kick back?

 

Not same thing.  Super Bowl, Divisional Playoff.  Stakes are just a little bit higher.  Besides, the Music City Miracle was all because of a forward pass, it never should have happened.

1.)  It IS the same thing, because it's still a win-or-go-home game.  

2.)  That was NOT a forward pass.  If you're a Bills fan, I'm sorry - but that lateral was legit.  If the 30-yard line wasn't RIGHT THERE, maybe you can make a case.  But there's a big white line on the field, and you clearly see the ball start in front of it and end up behind it.  If they run that play on the 27-yard line, it gets called back.  But they didn't.  Deal.

 

You're all missing the point:  that drive that Brady put together was special.  Deny that all you want, but I'll be damned if that wasn't one of the best pressure performances I've ever seen, right up there with The Drive.  Think about this: would it have mattered if Brady put them in the end zone?  Would you have given him the MVP then?  Then why wouldn't you if they only needed a field goal?

[Guest Army Eye]

I WANT to give Brady lots of credit for that drive at the end of the game.  He did a fine job, no doubt.  But sadly the Rams were playing a pussy prevent defense to try and run the clock out and it backfired.  They should've just stuck to their game, but so many teams have made this mistake..

 

Then *THEY* should've put up a better fight.  Mike Martz should've grabbed a ref and told him there was two seconds left.  Someone should've thrown a hissy fit on that Rams sideline.  And if they didn't care enough to get the time put back on the clock, what makes you think that they would've cared enough to return the kick back?

 

Good point.  That's what I don't understand.  Why the Rams didn't do everything they could to get those two seconds..

[Guest deezlo]

You guys that voted, where the hell did you vote at? dumbass

[Guest Below the Glass Ceiling]

About the last two seconds...

 

Let's say they play them out.  You REALLY think the Pats are going to boot it away and risk a run back?  No.  They squib it right over the middle and tackle the guy at the 50 yard line with no time left.  So it's a moot point, really.

[Guest theWCWRaider]

Exactly, there is no way New England would be stupid enough to give them a chance to run that back.

[Guest theWCWRaider]

As for MVP, I gotta go with the kicker as well. I mean, if you want to talk about pressure, I think he was under as much as Tom Brady.

A last second field goal attempt in the Superbowl, there aren't that many high pressure situations that would surpass that, when looking at the world of sports.

If he misses that field goal, it goes to overtime, and I think St. Louis wins the game.

If he misses, it could be another Scott Norwood, and nobody will ever forget him for missing that one.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

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If you don't give it to the D and you don't give it to Vinateri what about Antowain Smith ...  

 

Good question, because he really did help the Pats move the chains when he needed to.  I just didn't think he did anything spectacular either.  Usually, the MVP award goes to the guy who makes the spectacular plays.  Key?  Yes.  MVP?  No.

 

145 yards passing is spectacular?

 

 

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Willie McGinnest?  Didn't he almost cost them the game by holding Faulk?

 

Eh, that call was touchy.  On the first hit, he was inside the initial chuck lines for the initial contact, and everything after that was on the side away from where Warner was rolling out.  In fact, that play was designed to go to Faulk, but McGinest went to take on the block, got a nice hit in, and Warner had to make something up.  Warner would've never rolled out if McGinest doesn't make that hit to begin with.

 

 

Touchy call?  Are you serious?  He mugged him.

 

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Of course it's possible to run it back for a touchdown.  Rams got screwed.  

 

Then *THEY* should've put up a better fight.  Mike Martz should've grabbed a ref and told him there was two seconds left.  Someone should've thrown a hissy fit on that Rams sideline.  And if they didn't care enough to get the time put back on the clock, what makes you think that they would've cared enough to return the kick back?

 

 

Wouldn't it be nice of the officials actually officiated the game and said:  "please reset the game clock to 2 seconds"?  What is there job again?

 

 

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Not same thing.  Super Bowl, Divisional Playoff.  Stakes are just a little bit higher.  Besides, the Music City Miracle was all because of a forward pass, it never should have happened.  

 

1.)  It IS the same thing, because it's still a win-or-go-home game.  

2.)  That was NOT a forward pass.  If you're a Bills fan, I'm sorry - but that lateral was legit.  If the 30-yard line wasn't RIGHT THERE, maybe you can make a case.  But there's a big white line on the field, and you clearly see the ball start in front of it and end up behind it.  If they run that play on the 27-yard line, it gets called back.  But they didn't.  Deal.

 

 

Go watch that play again.  Dyson catches the ball in front of the line.  Wycheck was behind the line...the argument has always been where his arm was because Dyson's body was clearly in front of Wycheck.  The reason that call was blown is because Dyson was running back to the ball...and the officials blew it.  You are all turned around here.

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

Part A:  Tom Brady's numbers

"145 yards passing is spectacular?"

I'd say that getting 53 of those in the last 90 seconds can't be considered unspectacular. Look, as a math major and soon-to-be actuary, I'm a big numbers guy - especially when it comes to football. But there was more to that game than numbers. If that game was all about numbers, then Kurt Warner would be MVP and St. Louis would've won by 30.

 

Part B:  McGinest's hits on Faulk

"Touchy call?  Are you serious?  He mugged him."

In the NFL, there's a rule that says if you're covering a guy you're allowed to hit him within the first five yards of the line of scrimmage. That was New England's game plan. The Patriots allowed no one to leave the line of scrimmage cleanly - be it Bruce, Holt, Hakim, Phoehl, Conwell, or Faulk.  THAT was what Willie McGinest was doing to Faulk. He wasn't grabbing Faulk, he was hitting him inside the initial chuck zone. Hitting him hard, and at an awkward angle? Yes - but really only hitting him. They called holding because McGinest hit him at a weird angle. If that was holding all game, the Pats would've had about 250 yards in penalties.

 

Part C:  The last two seconds

"Wouldn't it be nice of the officials actually officiated the game and said:  'please reset the game clock to 2 seconds'?  What is there job again?"

See, my point was, it seems like people on this board wanted the Rams to get one last shot more than the Rams did. Did the refs make a mistake? Yeah, sure. Would it have mattered? Probably not. But if the Rams didn't complain about the last two seconds, why should you? It's not YOUR Super Bowl loss, it's theirs. IF they thought they were done on the sidelines, then they were.

 

Part C':  More ...

"Good point.  That's what I don't understand.  Why the Rams didn't do everything they could to get those two seconds.."

I'm with you. When I saw the spike with seven ticks on the clock, I thought there was a little too much time on the clock to get a field goal off. Field goals usually take 4-5 seconds to go through. I thought it was something that only I noticed.  I think that everyone on the Rams sideline was watching the kick, because I know if I was on that sideline, and saw time on that clock, I'd have been throwing a tantrum. I think I would've had an eye on the clock myself, knowing there were seven seconds left. Remember, though, it's easier to see both when there's that litle black stripe on the top of the screen.

 

Part D:  The Music City Miracle

Go watch that play again. Dyson catches the ball in front of the line. Wycheck was behind the line...the argument has always been where his arm was because Dyson's body was clearly in front of Wycheck. The reason that call was blown is because Dyson was running back to the ball...and the officials blew it. You are all turned around here.

Dyson's body is in front of the line, but he comes back to the line to catch the ball. No one's saying Dyson's body wasn't in front of Wycheck's at the beginning of the play. But Wycheck's arm extends out almost to the 31 yard line, and Dyson catches the ball at the 30 - he comes back to the 30 from the 31 to cradle-catch the football. Of course, where Dyson's body is and where Wycheck's body is isn't relevant;  the ball is the only relevant object. And the ball started in front of the 30-yard line and ended up behind it.  That's a lateral.

 

Anything else?