The ONE and ONLY who is the sniper?

[Guest HBK16]

I myself am starting to think its that French guy. I mean he is reported missing in N America, his letter to police was in poor grammer and broken English. It all adds up.

[Guest HBK16]

Whats going through my mind right now is how will the streets look like on Halloween. Halloween looks like it is ruined for that area this year. Even if they catch one man, there is still the fear of a second one.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Other - La Parka

[Guest BottleRocket]

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[Guest Cancer Marney]

If the first known communication from the sniper is authentic then I think any religious fanatics can be ruled out as suspects. No Muslim would claim to be God.

We are not ruling out anything or anyone. I've been told that no Moslem would kill a fellow Moslem, that no Moslem would gas a dog, that no Moslem would kill women or children. Claiming you're God is no more contrary to Islam than any of the above acts - all of which have been committed by Moslems.

[Guest DrTom]

In order to escape the scenes in Rockville, Kensington, and Silver Spring, the sniper would need to have extensive knowledge of this area.

My theory has been that he's someone who works for (or used to work for) a company like FedEx or UPS, which would give him extensive knowledge of both the major and minor roads in the area. It's obvious this guy knows where he's going after he shoots someone, so it has to be someone who knows the DC Corridor quite well.

 

At this point, though, no one can be ruled out.

[Guest Sandman9000]

Darryl Strawberry.

[Guest BottleRocket]

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[Guest Cancer Marney]

I think it would be unreasonable to believe that the person who left the note is a fundamentalist Muslim

I think it would be unreasonable to rule out any group, person, or motive at this stage of the investigation.

 

If the sniper was genuine in his belief that he is indeed God, he is suffering from delusions of grandeur, not religious fervor

Irrelevant.

 

There is a big difference between acting in the name of God and claiming to be God

No. There isn't.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

A moslem group or person could of easily lied saying he was god to throw the investigation a different direction.

[Guest BottleRocket]

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[Guest Cancer Marney]

I believe this is a a topic where people are expected to post their thoughts on the subject of the sniper's identity.

Correct.

 

If you have no thoughts on the subject and have not ruled anyone out

I have many thoughts on the subject. It would be inappropriate to share them.

 

why are you bothering to post?

Because you are encouraging people to disregard possibilities that are officially considered open, based on your unfounded assumptions about general criminal psychology and individual psychology, your simplistic understanding of religious motivations, and your ignorance of the complete facts of the case. Saying what you think is more likely is one thing; saying that it can't possibly be a member of a certain group is silly, irresponsible, and, if you manage to convince anyone, potentially dangerous.

If you notice, I had not previously posted in this or any other threads about the sniper. I don't mind people expressing an opinion. I do mind people claiming certain knowledge of things which they can't possibly know, and in the process possibly endangering both the continuing investigation and public safety.

 

I have a background in psychology, Islamic studies, and  I live in Montgomery County

Charmed. I'm a senior federal agent and I live about five minutes outside DC. How old did you say you were?

 

EDIT: This post turned out harsher than I wanted it to be. For that I apologise. I didn't really want to flame you; it just turned out that way - habit, I think. Please ignore my unwarranted tone and consider the substance.

[Guest BottleRocket]

My sincere apologies. Clearly, I did not know your involvement in the case.

 

I have taken down all my posts, so that my own personal opinions on this matter do not cloud those of anyone else.

 

Clearly, law enforcement officials and the public at large should keep an open mind.

 

As for the insults on my age and background, there is simply no need for them. You are unaware of my level of education or the focus of my studies. I was merely making simplistic statements because this is a wrestling message board.

 

Again, my apologies. I would imagine someone in your position is under a great deal of stress as a result of this situation.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Accepted, thanks. And I'm sorry about the personal attacks.

[Guest BottleRocket]

Accepted, thanks. And I'm sorry about the personal attacks.

No worries about the personal attacks. I understand that people get caught up in the heat of the moment and you were well within your rights to flame me given the circumstances.

 

Please feel free to edit out any of my quotes in your posts. I want more than anything to see the sniper(s) brought to justice and I hope that my own opinions do not lead anyone in the public to potentially ignore relevant information about this case.

 

Again, I apologize.

[Guest Ram]

Claiming "I am God" can be interpreted as a slap in the face of Christianity/Judaism. I think it's likelier to be a member of Al Queda, considering the recent history of terrorism and his sharp shooting abilities. The "meet my demands" note could be a way to make it seem that Al Queda can have control over "the Great Satan" and can make it crumble (or something), which would only fuel bin Laden's fire, I'd guess.

 

Then again, I haven't been watching the news too much lately. If the possibility of me getting shot is higher than usual, I'd rather not know about it. I don't want to live in fear, which seems to be one of the goals of this guy.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

it could always be a disgruntled cop or something

[Guest Ram]

But how would you go from wanting to help people to killing man, woman, and child all at random?

 

Do police officers (the ones that get sniper training) have to go through a mental health check? If so, I think he wouldn't have gotten the training if he had some sort of instability.

 

But it's all up in the air right now, so I guess it could be.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Well, the police have hung up on this guy six times:

 

An angry letter found tacked to a tree behind a restaurant where the sniper wounded a man this weekend complained of six failed attempts to reach police, and threatened more killings, of children in particular, if millions of dollars were not deposited in a bank account within two days, law enforcement sources said.

 

The letter listed half a dozen calls that had been "ignored" by operators answering phones at the command center in Rockville, Md., the Montgomery County police station and the FBI. It even named some of the people who had answered the phones.

 

They had hung up, the letter stated; that was "incompetent."

 

"Five people had to die" because of it, the letter said, according to one law enforcement source who has seen a copy of the letter.

 

The letter gave a deadline of Monday for the money to be deposited in a bank account, the source said. Several sources who had seen photocopies of the letter said the amount of money demanded was $10 million.

 

The letter warned investigators that if they were more concerned with "stopping" the killings than making an arrest, they should follow the orders precisely, or else there would be "body bags," said the source.

 

And it ended with an even more ominous postscript, officials said:

 

"Your children are not safe anywhere at any time."

 

The handwritten letter running at least three pages was found sealed and wrapped in plastic in the woods behind a Ponderosa restaurant in Ashland, Va., after Saturday's attack, several sources said. The letter was neatly printed on lined paper and included a number of grammatical errors, including sentence fragments and misspellings.

 

Sources said the letter also included a phrase written on a Tarot card left at the scene of the shooting in Bowie, Md., on Oct. 7: "I am God."

 

The discovery of the letter, which police are convinced was written by the sniper who may have killed his 10th victim Tuesday, was the impetus for an extraordinary series of veiled public messages to a killer delivered by Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose.

 

Moose has appeared before cameras five times in 48 hours to deliver explicit if sometimes cryptic messages to the man he believes is the sniper -- appearances that followed a series of missed opportunities to communicate.

 

The letter was found sometime after the Saturday night shooting of a traveler who was hit once in the abdomen as he walked with his wife to their car behind a Ponderosa Steakhouse off Interstate 95 in Ashland, just north of Richmond, Va.

 

It is unclear on what day the sniper began his attempts to call authorities.

 

One law enforcement official said the man believed to be the attacker failed to get through at least three separate times. A follow-up call went through, but an FBI trainee who answered the phone did not recognize the call for what it was and cut the conversation short, the official said.

 

"The individual taking the call did not understand the importance of what was happening," the law enforcement official said. "She pretty much blew him off."

 

One official described the caller as "extremely angry." The caller, he said, used phrases such as "Just shut up and listen," or "Hear me out," or "I am God," or "I'm in charge."

 

There was some delay in reacting to the letter because it was sealed and analysts were checking it for evidence, sources said.

 

When officials finally opened it, they found the letter, which provided among other things a telephone number that the writer said police would receive a call on.

 

Investigators soon discovered that the phone number was not functional.

 

Monday morning, a person police believe to be the sniper called again. This time police traced it to telephones in the vicinity of an Exxon gas station in Richmond.

 

Police dispatched a SWAT team to secretly watch the area. By about 8:30 a.m., an undocumented worker pulled a white minivan up to the phone and started making calls. Another man, also a laborer in this country illegally, was waiting nearby.

 

Police arrested both men, in a scene that was carried on cable news networks. The men were not related to the case and were turned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Its probably a right winged nut who thinks buying gas is supporting terrorism, while he is right, it doesnt justify shooting ppl. Is there any reports about what vechiles(sp) the victims were driving?

 

There is a big difference between acting in the name of God and claiming to be God

No. There isn't.

 

Yes there is, the crusades were done in the name of god, claiming to be god gets you locked up. I've claimed to be god (ah, hs was such fun), but that doesnt mean I went out and killed ppl over it. Claiming to be god is a delusion, acting in the name of god is doing something you feel is being told to you from god. Thats a difference.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Yes there is, the crusades were done in the name of god...

 

Not really. Officially they were, but most of the people fighting were far more interested in getting rich off the war. The Crusading movement itself was started in order to save the Byzantine Empire which was being invaded by the Muslims. Urban II (probably influenced by the fact that noone would go to save Byzantium), decided that they should recapture Jerusalem while they were at it. The Fourth Crusade sacked Constantinople, the very place they were supposed to be saving.

 

So basically, even though they claimed it was done in the name of God, it really wasn't. It probably would have happened anyways.

[Guest Ram]

Most wars have an excuse and a reason.

 

Just something to think about.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Still no good has come from any war.(And dont give me that freedom bs either, the rich control the poor and it never changes. When we won he war, we became just like Englad with the moeny controls power stuff.)

 

Im not an expert in the Crusades, all I know is that it was done by chrsitains to get out the "bad people" from the holy land.

 

And yes while both thinking your god and and being told by god are both delusions, they tend to have very different results.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Still no good has come from any war.(And dont give me that freedom bs either, the rich control the poor and it never changes. When we won he war, we became just like Englad with the moeny controls power stuff.)

Stopping Hitler and the Holocaust wasn't a good outcome from WWII? Ending slavery wasn't a good outcome from the Civil War (yes, I know the war wasn't about slavery)? American Revolutionary War?

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Most wars have an excuse and a reason.

 

Just something to think about.

Most do.

 

That doesn't seem to be the way things go anymore, though.

[Guest Brian]

They just had some sort of bust in Tacoma, WA. It made the local news, feds dug up the backyard and said it was sniper related.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Hitler started the war, so no good did come from it. And if we left germany alone, I'm sure someone in germany would have shot him. And Hitler was a good leader, he boosted the economy and give germans a HUGE sense of pride. The whole racist thing was wrong, but Germany became a big player in world politics during Hitler....and no good came from the war because it sent germany spirling back, their economy plumeted to the point where their money was worth nothing. Their lucky to still be a country.

 

Civil war didnt end slavery, it pretty much did, but it was still years before blacks were even remotly considered equals to whites. Hell we're still a prejudice society, so really how much did stopping slavery really do for equality? The civial war was over the south wanting to make moeny by taxing their stuff when they shipped it to the north, they would get richer (money...not a suprise there)

 

All the AMerican rev war did was just like the civil war, allowed us to tax our stuff. Bunch of ppl were killed so rich white men could get richer. Wheres the good in that. Shit, all we would have been was a back up army for england incase they need it.

[Guest HBK16]

Well I guess this is the end of my thread. They were two citizens gone mad. I am glad it is over.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

And Hitler was a good leader, he boosted the economy and give germans a HUGE sense of pride

Yeah, he gave them a sense of pride by blaming all the problems on the Jewish population, and then systematically executing them all. Whatta guy!

 

The whole racist thing was wrong,

Well, *there's* an understatement...

 

but Germany became a big player in world politics during Hitler

So, I guess that makes it all OK

 

Hell we're still a prejudice society, so really how much did stopping slavery really do for equality

So, because prejudice still exists today, ending slavery wasn't a big deal? Wow, that's unbelievable.

 

All the AMerican rev war did was just like the civil war, allowed us to tax our stuff. Bunch of ppl were killed so rich white men could get richer. Wheres the good in that.Shit, all we would have been was a back up army for england incase they need it

Well, I think being our own INDEPENDENT COUNTRY is the good in that. And that whole "taxation w/out representation" thing was a bit of a sticking point, too.

 

Were you dropped on your head repeatedly as a child?

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Hitler started the war, so no good did come from it. And if we left germany alone, I'm sure someone in germany would have shot him. And Hitler was a good leader, he boosted the economy and give germans a HUGE sense of pride. The whole racist thing was wrong, but Germany became a big player in world politics during Hitler....and no good came from the war because it sent germany spirling back, their economy plumeted to the point where their money was worth nothing. Their lucky to still be a country.

 

Civil war didnt end slavery, it pretty much did, but it was still years before blacks were even remotly considered equals to whites. Hell we're still a prejudice society, so really how much did stopping slavery really do for equality? The civial war was over the south wanting to make moeny by taxing their stuff when they shipped it to the north, they would get richer (money...not a suprise there)

 

All the AMerican rev war did was just like the civil war, allowed us to tax our stuff. Bunch of ppl were killed so rich white men could get richer. Wheres the good in that. Shit, all we would have been was a back up army for england incase they need it.

Profit, where did you take history class, and where can I get some of the PCP, amphetamines, and piles of LSD your teachers were no doubt using if this is what you got out of it?

 

Hitler started the war, so no good did come from it.

 

The two snipers just caught started to kill people, so no good came from it when they were stopped. Right. Stopping a war is generally a good enough reason for getting involved.

 

Hell we're still a prejudice society, so really how much did stopping slavery really do for equality?

 

I will give you a hint: PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT WERE NO LONGER LEGALLY CONSIDERED PROPERTY. Was that subtle enough?

 

All the AMerican rev war did was just like the civil war, allowed us to tax our stuff. Bunch of ppl were killed so rich white men could get richer. Wheres the good in that. Shit, all we would have been was a back up army for england incase they need it.

 

I...I...no, I don't have witty response for this. I'm sorry, Profit. It's just too stupid. Where on earth are you pulling these ideas from?