Guest bob_barron Report post Posted October 24, 2002 1.Ripken breaks streak 2.Aaron hits 715 3.Robinson breaks colour barrier 4.Sosa and McGwire try to break Maris' record 5.Gehrig's farewell speech 6.Rose passes Cobb 7.Williams hits .400 8.DiMiaggo hits in 56 straight games 9.Gibson's HR in 88 10. Nolan's 7th no hitter Ummm guys- #4, 7 and 8 aren't really moments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D'Lo White Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I cannot believe Buckner's error in the 86' Series isn't there. That was the greatest moment in baseball history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Jackie Robinson helped change the game of MLB forever when he came in. I think Cal is/was a wonderful player (pre 1998) but his streak did not change the game like Jackie's debut in MLB did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I cannot believe Buckner's error in the 86' Series isn't there. That was the greatest moment in baseball history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I'd drop both Ripken and McGwire/Sosa below all the rest of that Top 10. I'm not sure what the rest of the choices were, but I'm sure I could drop both Ripken and McGwire/Sosa out of the Top 10 altogether Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Some that weren't up there- Shot Heard Round the World Wille Mays' catch Fisks' HR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Yeah, I'd take any 2 of those over both Ripken and McG/Sosa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I'm glad Pete was in that list. It's been long enough MLB have proved their point let Pete in the HOF before he dies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D'Lo White Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Sorry Kingpk, your right, a man making a error shouldn't be considered a great moment. A man hitting a home run is a moment. Where's Bucky Dent on this list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Robinson's wasn't a moment though. I mean, it really took him a course of time to earn the respect and prove himself through his play and attitude. And it was over a whole season to say the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I voted for Ripken the maximum # of times. Being an Orioles fan and all Im pretty biased, but seeing Ripken run around the stadium to a 20 minute standing ovation right in the middle of the game was something that you rarely ever see in any sport, not to mention the fact that Ripken hit a home run that night and the night before when he tied the record. Plus I don't think anyone will ever break his streak of 2,632 Consecutive games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted October 24, 2002 "Fisks' HR" All they did was pimp Fisk's HR in the commercial. Swerve! Swerve! It's just a stupid list. I won't lose any sleep over it. If I cared, I'd be pissed off that Bill Maz's home run wasn't on the list... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Some that weren't up there- Shot Heard Round the World Considering that several players on the Giants admitted that they stole signs for that entire game, including that homerun pitch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Bah. Best moment I ever saw was Kirk Gibsons HR. Best moment that ever was: Pete Rose barrels into the catcher and injures him during the allstar game. This ain't ballet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted October 24, 2002 No, I'm all about McGwire and Sosa's race being on there. That's what I'm going to be telling my kids about, man. The whole country was wrapped up in it. For the record, I still don't think of Bonds as the single-season leader, and I don't think I ever will, despite what the statistics say. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Well that's just stupid. The man hit 73 home runs while being walked more times than anyone in history. Stastically his last two years are among the best ever. And with a homerun title, a batting title, a bunch of records, a bunch of MVPs and some golden gloves...He's one of the very best ever. McGwire and Sosa have nothing on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Means nothing to me, we're talking about being memorable, and Bonds is more memorable in my mind for being on the Pirates team that faced my Braves back in the early 90s for the National League pennant. He could be one of the best ever, but I don't really care about him all that much for some reason. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Why does MLB always have to things like this. Start selling today's players and games, and let the past remain in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted October 24, 2002 "No, I'm all about McGwire and Sosa's race being on there. That's what I'm going to be telling my kids about, man. The whole country was wrapped up in it." I remember some sports people saying that McGwire got more publicity because he was white. !@#$% idiots. "Bonds is more memorable in my mind for being on the Pirates team that faced my Braves back in the early 90s for the National League pennant." Yeah, and choking EVERY !@#$% TIME. I also remember him acting like a whiny bitch with then-manager Jim Leyland (sp?).I so hate that man. Normally I don't care about celebs or sports, but that man better not win a World Series ring... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I also remember him acting like a whiny bitch with then-manager Jim Leyland (sp?). That was because Leyland cussed him out on the field in front of the media, for no apparent reason. I completely forgot about it, until Jay Mohr showed a clip of it on his ESPN show a few weeks ago. Besides, Leyland was a borderline-horrible coach. The only success he's had with teams, were the ones that were ready-made to win championships. (EX: '90(?) Pirates, '96 Marlins) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steve J. Rogers Report post Posted October 24, 2002 Few points: 1) Neither Gibson's homer or Fisk's homer (and by association Buckner's error) should have been mentioned on the list at ALL. Reason, while game winning moments, none of them ENDED the series. Had the A's won you think people would have REMEBERED Gibson's homer? The way Fisk's homer is overplayed you get the impression that the Redsox won the series 3 games to 4 or something. Put Mazeroski's blast in 60 and Carter's in 93 over ANY of those moments (and yes Verne, even over "See you tommorow night!" and "TOUCH EM ALL KIRBY PUCKETT" in Game 6 91) 2) Other than Jackie Robinson no other baseball player trancended sports the way George Herman Ruth did, and the only time he is mentioned on this list is for a record of his being broken? Hmmm 3) The one thing about Cal's moment that I have to take away from "memorable" is the fact that no one can tell me whos streak Gehrig broke (Everett Scott, and I believe he's still third all time but I could be wrong) granted that record actually stood for about a few years before Gehrig broke it as opposed to decades for 2,130 but the fact is years from now will anyone remeber the day Cal went into the number one slot? Or will the entirety of Cal's streak be remebered? I'd say, like Gehrig's, the latter which is more of the totalitlty of it all rather than a media manufactured moment in time 4) Considering 1) all the shit about juiced balls, juiced ballplayers, smaller ballparks, even more crappy pitching thanks to expansion and 2) Since then not only has that record been broken but the once vaunted 60 tier has been surpassed now on a nearly yearly basis shouldn't Roger Maris' 61st homerun be considered more memorable or meaningfull than McGwire-Sosa. And more to that point, which MOMENT are we talking about? The night McGwire caught Maris? The night McGwire passed Sosa for good? The afternoon of 70? 5) The fact that Nolan Ryan and Pete Rose ended up on this list is more a testament to this being an old fashioned popularity contest spurned on by the mass media who somehow consider Ryan the greatest pitcher to ever live (far from it) and Rose to be the greatest player not in the Hall (not as far fetched but he isn't the greatest outright, and he wouldn't be the greatest player IN the hall either in other words I'd pick Ty Cobb long before I'd consider taking Rose) The simple fact is these two have become two of the most popular players of all time, mostly thanks to media over-hype Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I myself was pretty satisfied with the top 10. I'd be interested to see the whole list ranking, not just the top 10. Here's to hoping Bond's 73rd homerun was dead last. THANK GOD it didn't make the top ten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I think Cal is/was a wonderful player (pre 1998) but his streak did not change the game like Jackie's debut in MLB did. No, but it did save the game from itself. Remember, this was coming off the strike of 1994, which saw the World Series cancelled, and attendance plummet the following year. At least once per series, at home or on the road, however, Ripken went into the stands and signed autographs for hours after a game. There were times you couldn't see the end of the line, but he signed for everyone. The public image of baseball players was probably at its all-time low, after a strike the fans justifiably saw as motivated by greed, selfishness, and pique. They latched onto Ripken's streak like they did because he was the opposite of that: he was a player who played every day because he simply felt it was the right thing to do when you got paid to play a kids' game. When the Orioles were on the road that year, especially as the summer advanced, the home team's attendance would rise for that series. Before McGwire and Sosa got cheered everywhere they went, Ripken was getting standing ovations at every stadium he played in. At the height of fan apathy, one man put the game on his back and made people across the country give a damn about baseball again, all because he achieved something that was both refreshingly simple and impossible at the same time. Believe me, no one who was there would dispute this moment being at the top of the list. Even watching it on TV (as I did on tape afterwards) was something special. Announcers, many of whom love their job of getting paid to talk, were dead silent during the 20-minute celebration lap. Games across the country stopped to honor the moment. No home run ever meant so much to the game. The Streak deserves its spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rabbi_wilson13 Report post Posted October 24, 2002 I was all for Ripken's streak being first, though they shoulda comboed it with his home run in the All-Star Game last year. That was one of the coolest moments I've ever seen, period. Gibson shoulda been higher, and where the hell was Bobby Thompson and "And we'll see you tomorrow night?" and Maz's blast? I remember McGwire's blast, everything about it, a lot more than I do Bond's. It deserves to be up there. Pete Rose taking out the catcher should of been his moment, and Nolan's wasn't that good at all. And I doubt Bonds got last, since one of the options was Ichiro's season last year. Woo hoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted October 25, 2002 I was all for Ripken's streak being first, though they shoulda comboed it with his home run in the All-Star Game last year. That was one of the coolest moments I've ever seen, period. It would have been cooler if Chan Ho Park hadn't totally served him up like he did. He might as well have thrown Cal an underhanded pitch with a Tennis ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted October 25, 2002 what about the blue jays winning the world series? it was a big deal up here in Canada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted October 25, 2002 "The Streak deserves its spot." - Dr.Tom I love the man as much as everyone else does but I will have to disagree with you on this one Tom. Ripken helped save baseball by letting fans know that not every baseball player was a greedy self-centered prick like the notion that was going around at the time after the strike. But the problem I have with "the streak" is that 7 years later it did not mean shit to anyone and just this last summer MLB went on other strike due to people being greedy and stubborn about money. Cal's streak did not have a lasting affect on the players or the fans because a lot of people were ready to call it quit had there been a strike. Cal's streak was truly a moment in baseball that will be remembered. But it had no long term affects on the very things that nearly drove fans away from baseball which was greedy and lazy players/owners that just seemed to only be in the game for the money and nothing else. Jackie's arrival into MLB revolutionized the sport itself. He broke the color barrier, which was looked at as something that would have never been broken in baseball at the time that he came in. His presence showed the good ol' boys at that time that a black man could play baseball and that he could be even better then some of his contemporary's at the time who felt they were above him. He opened the doors for black players to come in and take part in the game. More importantly he opened the doors for players of all colors and races to come in and take part in the game. Without Jackie coming in to play baseball in 1947, the sport might have been very different today if he had not been allowed to play when he did. Cal's streak did help save the game of baseball at a time when it was in the gutter in every sense. Seven years later, the players and owners go back to squabbling and are on the verge of having another strike happen with fans everywhere saying they will not support baseball again if it happens. Jackie helped change the game and the affects of his presence are still felt today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 25, 2002 I disagree, because Jackie playing in that first game meant nothing compared to him enduring that entire season and, if you ask most people, when Pee Wee Reese really excepted him during that game. That's what truly meant something. As a moment, neither should count. Their influence was measured over the course of time, unlike Thompson, Carter, Gibson, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted October 25, 2002 "what about the blue jays winning the world series? it was a big deal up here in Canada" But it's not a big deal anywhere else Actually, I was a big Blue Jays fan in the late '80s, early '90s and I got TONS of grief from my friends every year when they would choke in the late-season/post-season. That was until after they won two titles... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted October 25, 2002 I actually want Chan Ho Park's attempted spin kick in that one fight to be in the top 10. Evidence that not all East Asians know Kung Fu. Funniest sports thing I've ever seen. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
