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Will the pushes ever come?

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Guest Anglesault

I know we all have been complaining and whing (Okay, maybe that's just me) about how certain people are just spinning their wheels and not getting pushed, despite the fact that they are very deserving. But some of us have to accept (Okay, me again) that these pushes will not come. The list of people that we want pushed reads: Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, RVD, Booker, Jericho. Those are the top six, anyway. In my opinion, there is a good chance of 2-4 of them ever getting pushed.

 

Chris Benoit: Best wrestler in the company right now, up until the first month of the Angle feud, he was always booked somewhat strongly. beginning to be booked well again. Over, awesome wrestler, but zero personality that may hold him back. Still, he has a lot going for him.

 

Will he get the Push?

I would think so.

 

Eddy Guerrero: Second best wrestler in the company, may be the best complete package. Very over, and the fans get into his matches. However, he is short, a WCW guy, and he had a substance problem. Strikes one, two, and three.

 

Will he get the push?

No. He has too much going against him.

 

Kurt Angle: One of the best wrestlers in the company, may be the ebst total package. Super over, and the fans get into his matches. However, someone obviously has it in for him, because he is booked as a loser.

 

Will he get the Push?

I hope so. I still think that if they were going to push him, they would have this year, instead of using him to get everyone on earth over.

 

RVD: Most over man in the company, puts on good matches, gets the fans into his matches. Hunter has it in for him, though, and that's never good.

 

Will he get the push?

Absolutely. Even HHH can't hold this back much longer.

 

Booker: One of the most over men on Raw, good matches, great backstage segments. Fans love him. However, he's forty AND Black. How dare he.

 

Will he get the push?

I doubt it. His age and race are too much.

 

Jericho: Still pretty over, his matches are still pretty good, and his segments are usually good. Too bad he's doomed.

 

Will he get the Push?

Fuck no. HHH could be in traction on his death bed and he still wouldn't allow a Jericho push.

 

So, RVD, and maybe Angle and Benoit. I guess that's okay, right?

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

Angle will get his.

 

That's all I feel comfortable stating.

 

But don't wory...Scott Steiner is coming instead.

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Guest Anglesault
Angle will get his.

 

That's all I feel comfortable stating.

 

The combined backing of Shane and Vince still has Angle in this position. I have a funny feeling.

 

But don't wory...Scott Steiner is coming instead.

 

Oh, yippee.

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Guest IB2BLACK

Both champs are heels, so none of the heels will be competing for a championship. Also, RVD needs to get some personality and some mic skills, it's so obvious they have to script everything for him. Booker T., IMO has really had a great match in his WWE tenure.

 

How can you say some has it in for Kurt Angle, he's all over Smackdown, plus he's helping to establish Mysterio, Edge, and Benoit. What more do you want besides, a title run? Angle is fine.

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How can you say some has it in for Kurt Angle,

 

The whole month of may 2002. Fighting Deadweight fucking Kane on the biggest show of the year. Not even coming close to the title all year, where they have had like 6 champions, all bad.

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Guest DeputyHawk

Angle is going to be pushed to high heaven just as soon as he sorts out whether he's going to try for the olympics or not, which he's been humming and hawing about all year. there's no point building him into the top star of the company if he's going to fuck off for x amount of time. yes, angle will get his push, and it'll be a big one.

 

benoit will probably get a transitional run somewhere down the road, and stay at or near the top of the card for quite a while.

 

eddie, rvd, booker, and jericho i can never see receiving solid, sustained top line pushes in the immediate future, or ever.

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Will mic skills and personality change the fact that fans want RVD to get pushed more than anyone else on the show?

 

No?

 

Then I guess he doesn't need them.

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Will mic skills and personality change the fact that fans want RVD to get pushed more than anyone else on the show?

 

No?

 

Then I guess he doesn't need them.

Tell that to the HHHierarchy

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Guest DeputyHawk

rvd is an entertaining upper-card gimmick martial arts stoner who sounds gay whenever he speaks. he's just not what corporate mcmahonland wants representing it.

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what corprate McMahonland wants to represent is low ratings, poor attendance and the worst angles in the history of ever.

 

It's time for that excuse to run out.

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Guest DeputyHawk

dress him up in a suit and tie & repackage him as corporate rob, like they did with foley, but have him constantly slouching and vince yelling "POSTURE!" at him, but rob keeps having lapses into slackerdom and skinning up during chinlocks and stuff, with vince as his manager storming into the ring to tear up the joint yelling "YOU'LL NEVER BE CHAMPION WITH THAT ATTITUDE!"

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Actually...

 

I would go with put RVD over HHH and then have him beat midcarders.

 

RAW has a shitty roster...but RVD is better at getting the crowd into a shitty match than anyone.

 

Then they can play up the fighting champion vibe.

 

Then he can job it back to HHH.

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Guest humongous2002

As much as I like RVD, he still needs someone to coach him on his promos, that might hold him back a little since HGH is looking for any little thing to keep RVD away from main event status, but there might be a solution just hire Fonzie as manager/mentor.RVD is the #1 face on RAW and Vince has got to be blind not to see the money he could make from this guy.So he might or might not get the big push, but he is almost there.

Angle will definitely get his push soon, meaning that he will get the WWE title b4 the year ends because we need a strong heel to main event at Wrestlemania, and in my opinion the only strong heel in the entire WWE roster is Kurt, and he is a WWE wrestler so he will get the big push very soon.

Benoit is getting the slow face push by letting him do what he does best ....wrestling, and his persona in the ring should be just like Wolverine from the comics, the short silent type that backs it up with his actions.He is getting the slow push.

Y2J has to reinvent himself entirely, but the shadow of HGH is always behind him, meaning that if by next year HGH doesn't die of a heart attack for doing to much roids then Y2J is stuck in midcard limbo.

Eddy is the most talented of all these wrestlers but his short height is something that Vince detests.He has gone as far as he could with his push.

And The Book just like RVD should've been main eventing by now but due to politics in the back and the fact that he was a WCW boy means that he might be stuck in midcard limbo just like Jericho.

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Guest Nater

Booker: One of the most over men on Raw, good matches, great backstage segments. Fans love him. However, he's forty AND Black. How dare he.

 

How dare he indeed, like he stepped on Steph's favorite kitten.. lol

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Guest cabbageboy

RVD desperately needs to be on SMDN with Heyman booking him. It's that easy. While I have criticized Heyman's past booking of RVD, I cannot argue that he was more entertaining character wise in ECW.

 

I discussed it with a guy who wrote a column on the Torch, we both agree it is time for RVD 4:20 in WWE. After all, if they are going to do necrophilia angles I hardly see how having a pothead gimmick is going to hurt anything

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Guest jester

WWE is lucky there is no other viable promotion that can lure away the wrestlers with big salaries. Otherwise I'd bet most of those six guys Sault mentioned would be gone.

 

I am beginning to wonder if it's too late for certain people. I myself like RVD, but he's been doing nothing for so long I find myself not looking forward to his matches anymore, since they're not going to go anywhere.

 

They had two golden chances to push him--once with Austin, once with Undertaker. And they blew them both in favor of...well, I can't remember, which says a lot.

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Guest AndrewTS
dress him up in a suit and tie & repackage him as corporate rob, like they did with foley, but have him constantly slouching and vince yelling "POSTURE!" at him, but rob keeps having lapses into slackerdom and skinning up during chinlocks and stuff, with vince as his manager storming into the ring to tear up the joint yelling "YOU'LL NEVER BE CHAMPION WITH THAT ATTITUDE!"

Naw...replace his ring attire with a loose green t-shirt and brown pants, and have a great dane follow him around that he thinks "talks" to him.

 

That'll happen before you see him go over HHH on a major PPV.

 

And I really don't by this "Vince only pushes homegrown talents" crap. Austin WAS a prominent WCW talent, ditto for Foley. Sure, Levesque was in WCW, but he was NOTHING there (and should have stayed so).

 

And the biggest example of the "homegrown talents are the only ones who get a fair shake?"

 

Paul fuckin' Wight. The Giant was pushed to levels even Lesnar and Goldberg hadn't had, and the title tossed right on him in WCW, but when he comes to WWF after getting even lazier, he kept getting push after push, angle after angle with top stars. HE WAS GIVEN THE TITLE for no other reason than a SHITTY PAYOFF from the horrible-but-in-retrospect-funny-and-not-as-bad-as-a-certain-current-angle Bossman feud.

 

And after more time of proving himself useless, going to OVW, coming back, pushed again..depushed since he wasn't getting over....

 

He gets pushed to a title match with Brock Lesnar. "Homegrown only" my ass. I guess you can argue that if you're not homegrown but you're a HOSS BAH GAHD! you'll get pushed.

 

Vince and his hard-on for big men showing through again.

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Guest Brian
WWE is lucky there is no other viable promotion that can lure away the wrestlers with big salaries. Otherwise I'd bet most of those six guys Sault mentioned would be gone.

I doubt RVD would leave if Heyman didn't. I'd doubt Eddie would leave without Benoit and/or Chavo. I'd be really surprised if Benoit left. Jericho, I could see leaving. I'd also be really surprised to see Angle leave, as he is probably the most loyal of the six being WWF bred.

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Guest papacita

I think the homegrown talent argument stopped being an issue months ago, and even if it was, why would that effect Eddie? He jumped to the WWF because he was mishandled in WCW. Vince and Co. should wanna push him to the moon to further emphasize how bad WCW was.

 

As for Booker...he wasn't pushed last year because he was WCW's top guy, but I really think he's gonna get a big time push sometime soon. If handled right, he has the potential to be a crossover star like Austin or the Rock. It would be stupid not to push him.

 

Benoit and Angle...well, Smackdown basically revolves around them anyway, so...

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I think the homegrown talent argument stopped being an issue months ago, and even if it was, why would that effect Eddie? He jumped to the WWF because he was mishandled in WCW. Vince and Co. should wanna push him to the moon to further emphasize how bad WCW was.

 

As for Booker...he wasn't pushed last year because he was WCW's top guy, but I really think he's gonna get a big time push sometime soon. If handled right, he has the potential to be a crossover star like Austin or the Rock. It would be stupid not to push him.

 

Benoit and Angle...well, Smackdown basically revolves around them anyway, so...

Eddy is small, though. But if WCW were still around he'd probably be pushed as a measure of showing how you could move up if you jumped.

 

Hell, maybe people think Show was signed only to try to nab Jericho.

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Guest The Hamburglar

As soon as Jericho turns face again he will become more over than RVD very quickly. Not only a better wrestler when motivated, Jericho also manages to in some way care about his opponent or feud, something RVD doesn't. Course, Jericho has the HHH effect going after him, but he can still overcome that to some extent. Angle will be a multiple time champion and main eventer for many years, Benoit will continue to drift between the main and upper-mid card and Eddy will stay in the upper midcard, which to be honest is where I feel he is most valuable. Not every great wrestler has to be a main eventer. Eddy can really help the midcard grow, just look at what he's done for Edge. Due to the Eddy feud Edge is now more over and a better wrestler. I think its necessary to have a midcard lynchpin like Eddy. I'm torn on Booker, his wrestling isn't stellar but he probably is Raw champion material, so they should really use him now while they still can.

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