Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted November 1, 2002 So, your thoughts... Is the criticism that a certain song or solo or whatever is "too easy" a fair criticism? I mean, just because something is hard to do, that doesn't mean it sounds good, and just because something's simple, that doesn't mean it sounds bad. But I've noticed some people mock some bands because of the ease of their material. So what do you think? Is that fair, or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted November 1, 2002 If people rate bands according to the complexity of their music, then I can see how people can feel that way. But the fact that, for example, the Ramones have really simple songs doesn't make them any less enjoyable to me. It all depends on what you demand from the music you listen to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted November 1, 2002 For solo's it goes by Originality, and thats why, Vai, Satriani, Clapton, Hendrix and Petrucci are my favourite and what I think, the best guitarist ever. People like Page, Hammett, etc I like them, but they are too one dimensional. I like a lot of songs, and if it doesn't have a good intro, I really don't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted November 1, 2002 If music popularity was still beased directly on it's complexity, then I'd have to think that there'd be no rock music and we'd still be going to symphonies... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted November 1, 2002 No, Prog would be have bigger too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted November 1, 2002 Jungle would be huge also. It sounds like shit, but damn is there a lot in there. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted November 1, 2002 But I LIKE Jungle... I think we should judge based on how complex the music is because then I have an excuse to pick up some Dream Theater and Yes albums. Seriously though, it all depends. The only time I have a problem with "simple" music is when it becomes apparent that that's all the band/musician can do and all their songs to a degree sound the same. This is why I don't really listen to a lot of punk and especially not any pop-punk (except for The Ramones and Green Day because OMG THEY'RE MY FAVORITE BAND~!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Meh... Only time I use the term "too easy" is when the technique/lick/solo is easier than it sounds like it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kibagami Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Eh. Whatever sounds good, sounds good. Most of the people I know who complain about songs being "too simple" are the sort of people who can't stay in a band for more than a week because they feel compelled to solo all the fucking time. 'Course, I like punk, play in a ska band, and don't know shit about guitar except that my guitarist plays one. So...whatever! (Y) S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 2, 2002 I like technical riffs, but simple stuff can sound awesome, too. You've got to make up for it with creativity and emotion though. I also think there's a fine line between easy and boring, which is what 90% of Nu Metal fails to grasp. They try to go for the "simple but tough" sound, but end up with "simple and lame". The best thing to do, IMO, is to find a happy medium of disturbingly technical and simple but good. For me, though, I can much more easily criticise a riff for being too simplistic than I can for one being too technical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Meh... Only time I use the term "too easy" is when the technique/lick/solo is easier than it sounds like it should be. Like Stairway to Heaven, which is by god, one of the most overrated solo's in existance. This is what I also hate about Death Metal. Sure they are fast, but most of them are using the same 2-4 notes with the distortion up high. There is no skill in that. If you look at Jeff Hannamen, Dave Mustaine, James Hetfield, even though they aren't the fastest guitarists (Al DiMoea is) they use a lot of complexed riffs, at a very good speed, and still make it interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Which is why Hanneman, Hetfield, and especially Mustaine are among my Top 10 in guitarists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2002 I'd agree with that if Hetfield wasn't involved. He doesn't deserve to even smell Hanneman or Mustaine's shit, let alone be ranked up there in terms of skill. Name one solo of his that could be considered on par with the other two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Considering he's a strict RHYTHM guitarist... Besides, I'm talking flat-out rhythm skill. Dino Cazares is also a good mention, as he's a GREAT rhtyhm guitarist, but he can't solo for shit. Besides, most of what Hetfield wrote is more complex than ANY Slayer song, so saying Hanneman should be in a Top 10 and not Hetfield, regardless of the fact that Hetfield's stuff was almost as fast as Slayer's while being Chinese Algebra in comparison to Slayer's complexity, is a crime. -Corey Lazarus, who creams for good rhythm guitarists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Also if you want a good rythem guitarist, might as well add Tony Iommi on their as well, since he is amazing. (Simple, yet unique) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2002 I don't think Fear Factory has ever had a song with a solo, so it's not really fair to judge whether he can solo or not, since I've never even heard the guy try to do so. That said, the guy can speed-pick like a motherfucker. Iommi, on the other hand, has had some GREAT solos. I cite Sabbath's s/t as evidence. Sleeping Villiage/Warning/A Bit of Finger in particular. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted November 3, 2002 but speed leads to 2-4 notes and loses out on the complex of the riff. (Unless you are Al Di Moea) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Have you ever heard Dillinger? Talk about speed and technicality. Jesus christ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Have you ever heard Dillinger? Talk about speed and technicality. Jesus christ... you mean, utter shit? why yes, i've heard Dillenger Escape Plan, and i want those minutes back that i have wasted listening to them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Amazing Rando Report post Posted November 3, 2002 imagine mixing something like Yngwie, Dream Theater, Skyclad, Via, and some jungle... yikes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Well, it was a whole lot more than a generic scale or two shredded quickly, wasn't it? I mean, like them or not, they're amazingly talented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Well, it was a whole lot more than a generic scale or two shredded quickly, wasn't it? I mean, like them or not, they're amazingly talented. GO FOR THE FACE% unless you already had it. I think you did. I like DEP, and yes when they want to be they do INCREDIBLE stuff. I have 'Calculating infinity' and i have to say some of it is just the speed without the interesting bits. Still a damn good CD. I d/loaded 'when good dogs do bad things' off the Patton collaboration and that blows all of 'calculating infinity' away IMO, i NEED that EP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
