Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 1, 2002 The last issue I have is #23. My local comic store closed down after that, so I can't buy comics anywhere. What has happend since that issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted November 1, 2002 Well, Spider-Man finally beat the Goblin, and S.H.I.E.L.D. wisked him (Goblin) away. Harry knows Peter is Spider-Man. Felicia Hardy is now living with the Parkers (her mother left) and Spider-Man has just been shot, since a copycat Spidey has been robbing banks. Oh and in December: Peter finds out his fathers last project: Ultimate Venom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Karnage Report post Posted November 2, 2002 I think Harry will forgot that Peter is Spider-Man since he fainted after that whole fiasco. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Ultimate Venom so soon? Hmmmm.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Tell me more about this Ultimate Venom... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Yes... tell me more as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted November 2, 2002 SEMI-SPOILERS The preview starts with Peter finding a box of his father's. Well, it seems as if Peter's father was still a scientist in Ultimate continuity. As Peter watches an old video from the box, Aunt May comes in and tells him who the other people in the video are (they'er at a picinic with another family). They are his father's partner Eddie Brock and his son Eddie Jr. Throughout the whole video, Peter's father and Brock are arguing about selling their latest discovery. Aunt May tells Peter that he and Eddie Jr. used to be best friends before his parent's death. The preview ends as Peter succeeds in contacting Eddie, Jr. They speak on the phone and agree to meet. Then the "camera" pans back, further examining the box. Inside are two big portfolios that say Project: Venom. Neat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 3, 2002 Sounds good, but this series is moving way to fast. I'm guessing Venom isn't a symbiote anymore either. I forgot to ask: Did Green Goblin evolve like they said he was, or is he still Green "The Hulk" Goblin like in the early issues of USM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 3, 2002 "Well, Spider-Man finally beat the Goblin, and S.H.I.E.L.D. wisked him (Goblin) away. Harry knows Peter is Spider-Man. Felicia Hardy is now living with the Parkers (her mother left) and Spider-Man has just been shot, since a copycat Spidey has been robbing banks." - raptor Gwen Stacy, not Felicia Hardy, is staying with the Parkers. Gwen is staying with them while her family gets through a messy divorce that Gwen blames herself for after overhearing her mom tell one of her friends how she can't stand her family. "I forgot to ask: Did Green Goblin evolve like they said he was, or is he still Green "The Hulk" Goblin like in the early issues of USM?" - Angle-Plex The Goblin did "evolve" in that he went completely insane and became more like a crazed animal that only goes on instinct rather than thinking things through. He became incoherent and nearly impossible to understand with his psychobabble to Spider-Man when they last met. Osborn is currently incarcerated by SHEILD and his current activities are unknown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 3, 2002 I liked the original Goblin much more. What good is he if Spidey can't talk to him when they fight? I like everyone else in the series though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 3, 2002 "What good is he if Spidey can't talk to him when they fight?" - Angle-Plex In a deeper sense, Osborn's incoherence represents the madness that drove him to testing out his Goblin formula on himself in order to gain the powers of Spider-Man. The man was slowing going mad with his obsession over Spider-Man and finally he lost all reason and thought and became a mindless beat that's only goal was to destroy Spider-Man and screw the rest. Osborn gave up all reason and lost his sanity when he pumped himself up with the Goblin formula and it was only fitting that he degenerated the way he did near the end of this last storyarc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 3, 2002 "What good is he if Spidey can't talk to him when they fight?" - Angle-Plex In a deeper sense, Osborn's incoherence represents the madness that drove him to testing out his Goblin formula on himself in order to gain the powers of Spider-Man. The man was slowing going mad with his obsession over Spider-Man and finally he lost all reason and thought and became a mindless beat that's only goal was to destroy Spider-Man and screw the rest. Osborn gave up all reason and lost his sanity when he pumped himself up with the Goblin formula and it was only fitting that he degenerated the way he did near the end of this last storyarc. I think that would be fine, but they should have waited longer to do that. I would have rather seen him be like the old Goblin, then go mad after a while instead of them doing all of this is 24-25 issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted November 3, 2002 I can't believe I fucked up the Hardy/Stacy thing. My bad, guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 3, 2002 "I think that would be fine, but they should have waited longer to do that. I would have rather seen him be like the old Goblin, then go mad after a while instead of them doing all of this is 24-25 issues." - Angle-Plex The entire Green Goblin Returns storyarc took place in Ultimate Spider-Man #22 - #27. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest realsandman420 Report post Posted November 4, 2002 i thought for sure that bendis was gonna kill mary jane in issue 25.....that would have thrown everybody for a loop..... and sass...i thought you hated ult spidey? and bendis? what gives? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 4, 2002 I might dislike Bendis's work but I am also a comic book *collector* along with being a regular comic book reader. I am willing to push my dislike aside for the book if I see that it is/will be big money in the future no matter how bad it is. These books are worth money you know and you might as well get something else out of them besides an interesting story. I pay nearly $3.00 for a damn issue a month and I sure as fuck better be getting my money's worth along with a possible rise in the cover price. Right now the Ultimate Spider-Man series is big money and it is a hot book that could have an issue shoot up to $10 or more if the issue got a big buzz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest realsandman420 Report post Posted November 5, 2002 I might dislike Bendis's work but I am also a comic book *collector* along with being a regular comic book reader. I am willing to push my dislike aside for the book if I see that it is/will be big money in the future no matter how bad it is. These books are worth money you know and you might as well get something else out of them besides an interesting story. I pay nearly $3.00 for a damn issue a month and I sure as fuck better be getting my money's worth along with a possible rise in the cover price. Right now the Ultimate Spider-Man series is big money and it is a hot book that could have an issue shoot up to $10 or more if the issue got a big buzz. just when i started to start agreeing with ya...... i love comics....weather it's worth $1.00 or $500.00..... i read comics cause i love them, not as an investment. some of fav stuff aint worth anything..... and as bad a shape the comic market is....i think there is better things to invest in. if you must invest in comics....at least pick stuff that will always go up in value.....ult spidy might be hot today....but wait a year...you might not be able to sell that issue 1 for $10.00.....it happens....grap a wizzard from 5 years ago and compare. i love that your picking bendis' book, and i hope your enjoying it. but we need reader and collectors and fans...not the speculator...they killed the market for us once....hope they never come back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 6, 2002 "i love comics....weather it's worth $1.00 or $500.00....." - realsandman420 Good for you. "i read comics cause i love them, not as an investment." - realsandman420 Glad to hear it. "some of fav stuff aint worth anything....." - realsandman420 No fucking shit. As a long time regular reader of books like Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and the Avengers which were (are) worth nothing but I still enjoyed reading the books even through some of the bad years when everyone else was leaving. Back in '95, I can remember taking a ton of shit for continuing to collect Iron Man, which was the year that the book just went into the gutter in terms of interesting/intriguing stories along with sales going into the gutter. Captain America was not worth shit for nearly 10 years with only issue #444 making being sold above $5 in most shops that has come out (before last year's relaunch) in recent time. The only other Cap comic to have been sold for $5 or more dollars in most stores was Captain America #332 which was when Cap resigned as Captain America due to pressure from the government. Captain America was most defintely not a speculator's comic book and neither was Iron Man (still isn't) or the Hulk (which is this years hot book). If I was collecting comic books for the price of them then you can bet I would have never touched Cap or any of the other titles I collect with a ten foot pole had I only been in it all for the money. "and as bad a shape the comic market is....i think there is better things to invest in." - realsandman420 How about you expand on this empty thought instead of just talking out of your ass. "if you must invest in comics....at least pick stuff that will always go up in value....." - realsandman420 How about you actually fucking tell people what they books they should pick up "that will always go up in value" instead of just blowing smoke out of your fucking asshole you pretentious little prick. God damn, fucking think before you type. It's not too hard. "ult spidy might be hot today....but wait a year...you might not be able to sell that issue 1 for $10.00.....it happens" - realsandman420 Then what are the fucking books that these people should collect if they are only into comic books for the value of them to trade and buy? You have no fucking clue about what you are talking about because if you did you would not even toss out this pathetic excuse for an argument by suggesting that Spider-Man might completely collapse by next year. The franchise has *stability* for the first time in years and Marvel has taken the time to carefully put the character back together and have done a remarkable job of marketing Spidey to the public. Spider-Man is going to have a cartoon on MTV out next year and fanboys idol Kevin Smith is going to take over the reigns of Amazing Spider-Man. Spider-Man has had one-shots coming out of his asshole this year and for the most part they have all sold well. Quesada and Jemas have a mainstream marvel on their hands and if you know anything about those two (which you don't) you would realize that Spidey is their #1 priority and will do everything in their power to keep the character hot. Bendis is also the "in" writer at the moment and in most of the eyes of fanboys, he can do no wrong and Bendis looks like he is not going to loose any steam with the Ultimate Spider-Man title considering that it is one of Marvel's best marketed titles. "....grap a wizzard from 5 years ago and compare." - realsandman420 Get a clue first and you might be able to make an educated post for once in this folder. "i love that your picking bendis' book, and i hope your enjoying it." - realsandman420 Ultimate Spider-Man has been masturbatory for the last 14 issues with Bendis dragging these stories out for an ungodly number of issues that could have been easily resolved in less than half of the issues that he has taken to do each storyarc. This is another reason why TPB's are hurting the industry because the writer's are expected to do these long and drawn out storyarc's so that they have some pages to put into a TPB. Most of the issues in between the start and the finish of the storyarc's have been filler and could have been chopped down to half of that number. Ultimate Spider-Man is not original nor is it as good as most fans believe it is. But it is the best title that Bendis is currently putting out which is not and does have it's good points which outweigh the bad. However, Amazing Spider-Man is currently the best original title out of the bunch and JMS seems to have finally settled in as Spidey's regular writer rather than try to be the next John Byrne. "but we need reader and collectors and fans...not the speculator...they killed the market for us once....hope they never come back." - realsandman420 *shakes head* Do some fucking research on the Age of Speculation and you might realize just how idiotic this statement is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 6, 2002 I quit reading USM at 25 and just started again. Here's why I quit after 25 issues and why I may do it again: 1. Bendis blew his "Death of Gwen Stacy" scenario load 50 issues to early, and ripped all the significance from it by substituting MJ and having her survive. 2. EVERYONE knows who Spidey is: Both Osbornes, Kingpin, MJ, Doc Ock, SHIELD. What a secret idenitity. 3. Bendis' teasing of the Peter/MJ romance was cute the first 20 times I saw it. Then it got boring and repetitive. 4. Bendis cannot tell a story arc without 7 or 8 issues because he has a bunch of useless shit that could fit onto 3 pages of a Lee/Ditko comic take up an entire issue. In fact he used the same story TWICE in issue 24 and issue 25 when he did they same story from two different POV's. Granted there was three pages of MJ on the bridge, but still. Did we need that? 5. Bendis has hit some great highs with USM, but generally the paceing is awful not only in the arcs, but in the issuews themselves. 6. Bendis is too overworked to be that great on this title so all his plots revolve around: A. Foreshadowing stuff that only hardcore fans will get and thus the comic guys love him cause they "get" his undertones and the marks don't. B. Huge life-shattering event that's rushed by 100 issues to sell comic books. C. Re-Imagining what doesn't need it at all. I *love* the new Gwen. Nice one Brian. Maybe we can kill off Iron Man's arch-villian in a Spider-Man comic, BEFORE he fights Iron-Man. Oh wait you already did, you genius! Oh and let's take away the coolest part (visually) about GG: His glider. Who thought that up? 7. I still don't care about any of the characters since they're all just stereotypes of high-school "labels" I guess Bendis expects us to like them since we liked the "original" versions. 8. Bendis rarely allows Spidey to look strong where he needs it. This ain't showing Peter's "inexperience" it's making him look like a fucking idiot for being out there. So far the major battles have gone like this: A. Green Goblin at the School to the Bridge: Spidey wins with help from the cops, and berates himself cause he didn't do it soon enough. When was he supposed to stop it? When he heard him flying overhead with his super-hearing? B. Spidey wins clean against the Kingpin, the Enforcers, and Electro. Although it was treated as a fluke win. (That vat of water was convienient.) C. After getting his ass handed to him by Doc Ock and SHIELD Spidey finally wins. And then beats Kraven who is made out to be a COMEDY VILLIAN after being built up for 5 issues. D harry saves Peter's life by killing GG. Nice way to reslove the conflict between hero and arch-nemesis. Have the hero's best friend kill the villian. 9. Issue 29 was entirely useless. Rhino was introduced, but we never got to see him battle Spidey. Instead we got to know these fascinating tid-bits: A. Peter and MJ *LIKE* each other. (We get it Bendis! You've been doing this since issue 1!) B. Flash doesn't like Pete (Again, we have seen this) C. Gwen is afraid to share herself emotionally. (Haven't we been through this?) The only NEW info we got was that PS 148 hires retards in the school cafeteria. Thanks Bendis! No one better tell me to stop reading if I don't like it. That's just a cop-out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 6, 2002 2. EVERYONE knows who Spidey is: Both Osbornes, Kingpin, MJ, Doc Ock, SHIELD. What a secret idenitity. I agree with that. The main thing that made Green Goblin Spidey's arch enemy was that he knew who he was. In Ultimate, everyone knows who he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted November 6, 2002 However, Amazing Spider-Man is currently the best original title out of the bunch and JMS seems to have finally settled in as Spidey's regular writer rather than try to be the next John Byrne. Really? When did ASM start becoming readable again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 6, 2002 However, Amazing Spider-Man is currently the best original title out of the bunch and JMS seems to have finally settled in as Spidey's regular writer rather than try to be the next John Byrne. Really? When did ASM start becoming readable again? When the "Coming Home" arc began. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted November 10, 2002 Amazing Spider-Man has been readable since J. Michael Sraczynski (JMS) came on board with issue #30. Go here if you have any questions about what has happened since the regular Spidey revamp. If you have any other questions about it let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Amazing Spider-Man has been readable since J. Michael Sraczynski (JMS) came on board with issue #30. Go here if you have any questions about what has happened since the regular Spidey revamp. If you have any other questions about it let me know. Yeah... ush why were the Spidey titles stopped in the first place. (Storyline reason and real-life) and what was the deal with the other four guys Peter became? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Yeah... ush why were the Spidey titles stopped in the first place. (Storyline reason and real-life) and what was the deal with the other four guys Peter became? If you're talking about why they were restarted at #1, well that oughtta be obvious. Quesada (I think) later added in the "real" numbering to each issue so that you wouldn't be as confused (or more confused, as the case may be). Don't know about the "4 identities" arc, but the characters got spun off into their own book, and then cancelled in short order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Yeah... ush why were the Spidey titles stopped in the first place. (Storyline reason and real-life) and what was the deal with the other four guys Peter became? If you're talking about why they were restarted at #1, well that oughtta be obvious. Quesada (I think) later added in the "real" numbering to each issue so that you wouldn't be as confused (or more confused, as the case may be). Don't know about the "4 identities" arc, but the characters got spun off into their own book, and then cancelled in short order. You missed the point. Why stop them in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Then I'm really not sure. Sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
