The one and only Election Day Thread

[Guest KoR Fungus]

<<<PA citizens don't want their hard-earned $$$ being wasted in the higher learning system. It's a f'n joke how much is wasted. Jesse Ventura once said, "If you're smart enough to go to college, you're smart enough to find a way to pay for it.">>>

 

And I'm sure that if I was a Pennsylvania citizen, that would matter to me. Whatever, I'm selfish, I only go to school here, and so the only issues that matter to me are Centre county local affairs and government appropriations. Rendell will likely give us more money than Fisher would have, so yay for Rendell.

[Guest Leena]

Election Day = day off for me

 

Fuck voting.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Elephants Like Dumb Luck

And intelligent people hate trite, insulting little maxims like that. To chalk up the terrorist attacks of 9/11 as "dumb luck" for Republicans winning is an insult to the 3000 people who DIED conferring that "luck." Did it help? I'm sure it did, since Republicans tend to favor a strong defense, which is appealing to people in the afterhath of such a tragedy. But anyone who heartlessly considers 3000 of his dead countrymen to be "dumb luck" in a political race can be accurately described with a rhyming term: dumb fuck.

Would you rather I said "Dubious Luck?" It really was an event that was poised to benefit whoever was in power at the time, once put all emotional pretenses aside and realize that it is the blunt truth. The Republican candidate for the Senate here in South Carolina marketed himself based solely on the fact that he agreed with the President. He won too. Don't think for one moment that the RNC didn't realize in the back of their minds that they'd have an easy ride thanks to it. Same way with the DNC, and I can almost guarantee that Republican supporters would be saying the same about Democrats if they had been in power at the time of 9/11. Maybe I'm just a cold-hearted bastard or something to that effect, but I can see through all the supposed compassion to what's really going on.

 

Kotzenjunge

Waiting To Be Labeled Evil For Knowing How People Work

[Guest Kingpk]

Huh, Nevada said no to the legalization of marijuana and no to legalizing gay marriages.

 

Gotta say I'm a little surprised there.

[Guest DrTom]

Would you rather I said "Dubious Luck?" It really was an event that was poised to benefit whoever was in power at the time, once put all emotional pretenses aside and realize that it is the blunt truth. The Republican candidate for the Senate here in South Carolina marketed himself based solely on the fact that he agreed with the President. He won too. Don't think for one moment that the RNC didn't realize in the back of their minds that they'd have an easy ride thanks to it. Same way with the DNC, and I can almost guarantee that Republican supporters would be saying the same about Democrats if they had been in power at the time of 9/11. Maybe I'm just a cold-hearted bastard or something to that effect, but I can see through all the supposed compassion to what's really going on.

The point is that 3000 people dying is a tragedy. It's not "dumb luck." Someone piggy-backed the President during his campaign? Wow, that NEVER happens. I'm sure the Democrats have NEVER done something like that. Homeland security is a big issue right now, and if people think they'll be more secure with Republicans making the decisions, that's probably because they will. Any situation can be turned into political gain or loss, but I refuse to categorize 3000 people dying as dumb luck. I've seen that footage too many times, and it still infuriates me to this day, and I will not pass off the deaths of 3000 of my countrymen as "dumb luck."

[Guest KoR Fungus]

Agreed with Kotz. It was luck that Republicans happened to have the Presidency when 9/11 occured, as far as these elections go. Had Democrats had the Presidency, they'd mostly likely be the ones riding the wave of patriotism. There's nothing disrespectful about saying that, it's just a basic observation about how people react when things like this happen. No one wanted this to happen, but I'm sure that Republicans don't mind riding the wave of popularity that 9/11 gave them.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Sanford ® beats Hodges (D Inc) in SC for Governor..

 

Now thats surprising...

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"And I'm sure that if I was a Pennsylvania citizen, that would matter to me. Whatever, I'm selfish, I only go to school here, and so the only issues that matter to me are Centre county local affairs and government appropriations. Rendell will likely give us more money than Fisher would have, so yay for Rendell."

 

Ahhh, Centre County. A PSU person, and spoken like a true college student. Yeah, good ol' Happy Valley will be sucking like a little piggy on the nipple of the big-spending former Philly mayor now. Spanier (sp) is a f'n joke who, if presented with a blank check, will whine that it's not enough money. Hell, if I was ever to go out in a blaze of glory, PSU would be one of my top choices of places to do it -- I'd be wiping out rednecks AND the academia establishment at the same time.

 

"Had Democrats had the Presidency, they'd mostly likely be the ones riding the wave of patriotism"

 

Had Democrats had the Presidency, they would be trying to understand the feelings of our attackers.

 

Anyone see Carville put the garbage can on his head? LOL. Begala is pissed off, too. Hell, CNN looks like a f'n funeral parlor, sans Novak and Carlson...

[Guest KoR Fungus]

Bah, Dems are pretty much getting killed everywhere. If it wasn't for Rendell's win, I'd be really depressed.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

<<<Spanier (sp) is a f'n joke who, if presented with a blank check, will whine that it's not enough money.>>>

 

Absolutely agreed. I don't agree with the way PSU spends money at all. We waste unbelievable amounts of money on unnecessary, pointless construction and programs and we raise professor's salaries to ungodly amounts in the midst of an economic downturn. I'd love to be rid of Spanier and to have him replaced by someone that actually uses money efficienty. However, I can't get rid of Spanier, and he's going to waste money no matter what, so the best I can hope for is that he'll waste the state's money and not mine. Selfish, but again, other issues don't even effect me because I'm not a citizen. If Fisher lowered taxes, I'd get nothing, so I might as well support someone who'll give me something.

[Guest Some Guy]

Agreed with Kotz.  It was luck that Republicans happened to have the Presidency when 9/11 occured, as far as these elections go.  Had Democrats had the Presidency, they'd mostly likely be the ones riding the wave of patriotism.  There's nothing disrespectful about saying that, it's just a basic observation about how people react when things like this happen.  No one wanted this to happen, but I'm sure that Republicans don't mind riding the wave of popularity that 9/11 gave them.

I agree that the terrorist attacks helped gather support for the GOP and President Bush, that much is very hard to deny considering his approval rating jumped 40 points that week and has held strong in the low 70s and after losing Senate seats in 200 they appear to be winning them now.

However Mitt Romney never mentioned 9/11 in his campaign, he just beat O'Brien on the issues in a very Liberal state. He out classed her in virtually every way possible for the entire campaign, I'm sure there are plenty of other races where this is the case as well. And I'm glad i voted adn continue to vote for the big offices (Bush and Romney so far, I have no chance in the Senate considering noone runs against Kennedy and Kerry).

I very much disagree that the Dems would be "riding the wave of Patriotism" right now. Their true colors showed up after the attacks and people started to see them for what they are, a bunch of anti-American, low class, lying, cheating assholes. They had teh oppurtunity to "ride the wave of patriotism" along with the President and give America what it wanted, a united front of bi-partisan support. Instead we get Congreesmen going to Iraq and basically sayign that we can trust Sadam more then Bush, we get terrorist sympathizing, we get cheap shots at teh President (why the fuck would you insult a guy with a 90% approval rating? Seems counter productive to me.)

The GOP could honestly run on issues and the Dems had to give reasons why not to vote for their opponent, rather than reasons why to vote for them. They had nothing. They refused to fully back the most popular President in the history of the fucking country in the most righteous war in the history of the fucking country. People see this and their votes seem to be showing it.

 

Mondale just lost, thank God. maybe, just maybe the people of Minnesota thought that a Senator dying and honoring his death was more important than having a fucking campaign rally. The Dems killed themselves in that race. Too bad the people of New Jersey and their idiotic Supreme Court elected and allowed Lautenberg (sp?) to run. That will bite them in the ass and may have in other parts of the country. The Democrats can only get away with ripping up the law for so long before there is a backlash. I think the Dems need to revitalize their party and drop the Clintons and the DMC Chairman and put people out there who can possibly be trusted to keep their word. Just a thought.

 

EDIT: Mondale hasn't lost yet, but is losing. I misread the graphic. My bad.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Absolutely agreed. I don't agree with the way PSU spends money at all. We waste unbelievable amounts of money on unnecessary, pointless construction and programs and we raise professor's salaries to ungodly amounts in the midst of an economic downturn."

 

One image I'll never forget was when Span. faced the PA Congress, who was grilling him about state funds spent on some stupid gay/bixsexual/etc. fair. He was so god damn elitest on the whole issues. Not only did he say it was none of the taxpayer's business were the $$$ went, but that PSU needed MORE money. My state rep. tore him up like the little bitch that he is.

 

What offended me the most was that he was using state $$$ to support stupid crap like that while that $$$ could have been used to help students out w/ financial needs.

 

I remember reading how universities are threatening to raise tuition because of a lack of state funds and a bad economy. HAHAHAHA Like they were LOWERING tuition when the economy was good.

 

Amazing how academia has the best and brightest working for them, yet they still can't figure out how to work a budget. Elitest pieces of sh*t. I hope they all rot in hell.

 

On a side note, I remember back when Bush got his tax rebate passed, some kid wrote here that $300 wasn't a big deal and that his parents didn't seem to need it. Of course, $300 pays my rent for one month. Amazing the perspectives of those who aren't out in the real world yet...

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Jesus, Carnahan-Talent in Missouri is really going down to the wire...

 

95% reporting and it's 50-49 Talent. Trend has been going the way of Carnahan though, she's picked up 70,000 votes in 15% of the last precincts.

[Guest Some Guy]

Fox News just gave Pawlenty the win in Minnesota, so "The Body's" replacement is a Republican. One more for the good guys.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

the biggest source for uncounted votes in Missouri is St. Louis.

 

Look for Carnahan to either make this very close or win when they count the votes in the district of Lacy Clay

 

and that jump you noticed with Carnahan was Kansas City and St. Louis counting votes.

 

How long until somebody declares that Largent has lost in Oklahoma, here's the latest there..

 

100% of precincts reporting

Henry 448,133 43%

Largent 441,776 43%

Richardson 146,206 14%

 

who the hell is this Richardson anyways?

 

latest from MO

 

U.S. Senator Precincts Reporting 4300 of 4425

Carnahan, Jean DEM 891,866 48.4%

Talent, Jim REP 921,737 50.0%

Millay, Tamara A. LIB 18,068 1.0%

Romano, Daniel (digger) GRE 10,194 .6%

Total Votes 1,841,865

 

U.S. Representative - District 1 Precincts Reporting 373 of 548

Clay, Wm. Lacy DEM 127,181 69.3%

Schwadron, Richard REP 51,182 27.9%

Higgins, Jim LIB 5,171 2.8%

Total Votes 183,534

 

U.S. Representative - District 3 Precincts Reporting 369 of 554

Gephardt, Richard A. DEM 115,254 58.5%

Enz, Catherine S. REP 77,924 39.5%

Byington, Daniel (Dan) LIB 3,873 2.0%

Total Votes 197,051

[Guest Kingpk]

Wow, the California governor's race is still up in the air. That's gotta be a minor shock. Or is California finally seeing the Republican light?

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

I have a few things to chuckle about.

 

First off, Mitch McConnell® stomped Lois Combs Weinburg(D). Now, I have to grant that Weinburg tried, but you can't out-negative McConnell when he's challenged. He won the office with that stuff against an opponent that was supposed to be unbeatable.

 

Well, let's also say that Jim Bunning ® doesn't have to worry about being challenged since our illustrious governor, y'know Paul Patton (D) who's... snifff..... so..... sorry and.... sniffsniff... wants to apologize... to the state and... his wi... his... Okay, enough. Patton was going to challenge Bunning, but that's over and done with. In the news, Jim Bunning turned cartwheels.

 

What pisses me off is the nefarious "amendment 2" which makes Enrons possible in Kentucky. Now they don't have to have a place of buisness here if they have their HQ in the state, they don't have to turn over records concerning money/taxes/personnel and believe me, the unions are seriously pissed and I don't blame them at all.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Okay, I've been out of the loop for a little while, what's going on? Close races?

 

I'm personally rooting for Talent in Missouri, if for nothing more than Carnahan's wife got to serve for two years with no qualifications that I know of (if she has any, please correct me, I try to be fair-handed).

 

Kotzenjunge

Was A Little Angry Earlier, Apologizes If He Offended Anyone

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

CNN just called Missouri for Talent with 97% reporting.

 

If that's true, the Reps win the Senate.

 

God help us all.

[Guest Some Guy]

Talent won!

 

GOP controls the Senate and keps control of the House!

 

Holy Shit!

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Wait, the SENATE for the Republicans too???

 

I TAKE IT BACK!!!!

 

(I HATE leaving developing stories for a few hours...)

 

Ah well... surely they'll do a good job... right? Right?

 

Kotzenjunge

Regrets It And Asks For Your God To Have Mercy On Our Souls Now That We Have A Republican Congress AND White House

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Roger Moe just conceded to Tim Pawlenty to make it official.

 

Coleman leads Mondale 50% to 47% with 57% of the precincts reporting.

 

Thune leads Johnson 50% to 49% with 89% of the precincts reporting.

[Guest LooseCannon]

To those of you who do not know any better, Rendell is not the typical big-spending Democrat. He's proven himself as an innovative and pragmatic executive and not someone who merely tows the party line. Also, with the state budget the way it is, don't expect your tuition to go down any.

[Guest goodolemr]

Looks like a big victory for GW Bush.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"To those of you who do not know any better, Rendell is not the typical big-spending Democrat. He's proven himself as an innovative and pragmatic executive and not someone who merely tows the party line. Also, with the state budget the way it is, don't expect your tuition to go down any."

 

You're right. Rendell isn't as bad as other Dems., but seeing how I'm moving back to PA, I just can't wait to have my wallet raped...

[Guest MD2020]

To those of you who do not know any better, Rendell is not the typical big-spending Democrat. He's proven himself as an innovative and pragmatic executive and not someone who merely tows the party line. Also, with the state budget the way it is, don't expect your tuition to go down any.

True. While mayor, he cut taxes ( wage tax), stood up to the city unions when Philly was on the brink of bancruptcy, and pretty much saved Philadelphia by revitalizing Center City.

 

He's been described as a New Democrat: has some liberal ideas, but is pro-business and tries to be fiscally responsible.

 

As for the tution, has any college, state or private, ever lowered their tution?

[Guest hardyz1]

You're right. Rendell isn't as bad as other Dems., but seeing how I'm moving back to PA, I just can't wait to have my wallet raped...

Oh yeah? Where exactly?

 

Ken Krawchuk gets third place with 40,817 votes. Take that, Green Party!

 

Penn State blows. Long live South Hills School of Business and Technology!

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"As for the tution, has any college, state or private, ever lowered their tution?"

 

I've read on one or two occassions some tiny college did, but that's about it. Big Education is a group made up of greedy pigs that try to fill their bottomless troughs with taxpayer cash without being given any guidelines on how to spend it.

 

I think I went a bit too hard on Rendell in previous posts. He's one of those Dems that if I HAD to have one as a rep. for me, well, better him than someone else (Tom Daschle, Ted Kennedy, Jim Jeffords *yeah he's an "independent," but he's a little bitch, too).

 

Hardy, I'm moving to the Pittsburgh area. I'll probably take up residence just inside Westmoreland county. It's funny because I currently live in SW Ohio, which is like the total opposite of SW Pennsylvania. Sigh, I'm going to hate missing seeing the local paper endorse more than 1 or 2 Republican candidates or not endorsing tax-increase referendums.

 

"Penn State blows. Long live South Hills School of Business and Technology!"

 

HERE HERE! I think you already know my opinions regarding Sappy Valley...

[Guest Razor Roman]

Frank(enstein) Lautenberg looks like he could be the long lost cousin of Mr. Burns and Count Chocula.

 

He sucks.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Shoot, I forgot all about him. You know what's funny? This election had Democrats STEAL a seat in NJ, but yet no outcry from Big Media. There's also talk in SD about some illegal voting activity -- CALL IN JESSE JACKSON. Oh, wait, South Dakota has no big corporations that Jesse can shake down in order to give $ to his mistress and bastard child.

 

My bad.

 

BTW: I can't wait for Eric S's Wednesday column on 411...