Hey all you US citizens out there

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Take a stand, MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Show that this country isn't a lazy bunch of complaining posers

 

Not only is it a right and a privlige, its also your DUTY and OBLIGATION to do your part in a democratic society.

 

Otherwise, you should SHUT THE HELL UP! about whats wrong with the government. Your vote equals your VOICE, many votes equal mandates and THAT is what changes things in this country. Otherwise its the same status quo every year with more and more dissaffected elligable voters that continually dwindle the number of percent of elligable voters voting. I mean which would you rather have, 40% of a 20% participation or close to 100% participation? I chose the latter!

 

Steve

[Guest bob_barron]

points to my election day thread below

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I hate that patriotic bullshit, if I don't vote and I want to complain I'll still have every right to.

I'm not mainstream, never will be, my voice will always be drowned out by everyone else.

 

Blame the politicians for low voter turnout, instead of promoting voting by pointing out their postives they point out their opponents negaitives to the point where we have to choose between two seemingly bad candidates. It's don't vote for so-and-so because he's evil, and not vote for me 'cause I'm good and can do this and that to better your lives.

 

1 person voting doesn't make a difference, if you go out there and get the word out for a proposition and candidate and convince many people to vote for them that will make a difference. Otherwise it's just a futile attempt to be part of the process.

 

A single vote out of thousands and millions ain't shit, to say it is is delusional.

[Guest bob_barron]

No- you don't have a right to complain.

 

You had a right to make your voice heard and you failed.

 

One vote can make a difference- look at the election in 2000.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

(almost says something about the 2000 election, but bites his tongue)

 

Yes, votes DO matter, but people can complain all they want, sez I. Not like they're actually doing anything to fix things or make them worse themselves. Just ignore them.

 

But don't call encouraging others to vote "patriotic bullshit." You're just rationalizing your own self-fabricated sense of individuality. Being anti-American is SO 1960s.

 

Kotzenjunge

I Never Thought You'd Be A Junkie Because Heroin Is So Passe

[Guest LooseCannon]

Kotz, where did that line come from? I remember it from a song around 1997 or so.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

Actually I'm not anti-american, I'm just apathetic.

 

One person voting isn't changing things, idealism is so 1960's.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

I hate that patriotic bullshit, if I don't vote and I want to complain I'll still have every right to.

I'm not mainstream, never will be, my voice will always be drowned out by everyone else.

 

And I hate that defeatist bullshit. The why bother attitude is more why people don't vote, not the mudslinging

 

Blame the politicians for low voter turnout, instead of promoting voting by pointing out their postives they point out their opponents negaitives to the point where we have to choose between two seemingly bad candidates. It's don't vote for so-and-so because he's evil, and not vote for me 'cause I'm good and can do this and that to better your lives.

 

Been that way since day one actually, many examples of classic mudslinging included calling opponets murderers, retarded, gay, ect with absolutly NO evidence. Granted it doesn't make it right its just you can't use it as the sole reason for low voter turnout

 

Besides, mudslinging is really aimed at the undecided, are THAT many people who don't vote THAT undecided? And why not just spit into that wind and vote for the third or fourth or fifth person on the ballot. If you feel that sick about the two party system bullshit get as many people as you can to NOT vote for the Democratic or Republican candidate. Thats more of a statement than flat out not voting

 

1 person voting doesn't make a difference, if you go out there and get the word out for a proposition and candidate and convince many people to vote for them that will make a difference. Otherwise it's just a futile attempt to be part of the process. A single vote out of thousands and millions ain't shit, to say it is is delusional.

 

I'll agree with that, but then again, its a complete defeatist attitude to surrender to that notion and just do nothing year after year except complain about it. No, 1 vote isn't going to change, but get a thousand, or millions to vote a certain way, certain direction, THEN its change, THEN its telling people to get off their asses AND DO SOMETHING! Otherwise its the same old rut and nothing changes

 

I don't know, maybe not voting is a statement, but it sure the hell aint saying much when its at all-time lows. If by some miracle the percentage is up over 50% or something (say in the 60's) then maybe that could be a statement, otherwise its just a sad commentary on the defeatist slacker mentality that it seems most of this country is in

 

Steve

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

It's from the Dandy Warhols song "Heroin is so Passe," LC.

 

Oh, and to keep on topic, vote Democratic today everyone!

 

Kotzenjunge

No, Donkey Shit Doesn't Stink, Why Do You Ask?

[Guest Kingpk]

Oh, and to keep on topic, vote Democratic today everyone!

 

Kotzenjunge

No, Donkey Shit Doesn't Stink, Why Do You Ask?

....ahem, sorry.

 

Actually, the voter turnout seems pretty high this year, at least in Mass. with an estimated 70% of registered voters going to the polls.

 

Vote Romney!!

[Guest Incandenza]

::briefly pops in; reads Rolling Chop's posts::

 

Jesus fucking Christ. I can't stand these grandiose motherfuckers who think they're so fucking special by refusing to participate in the voting process. You say one person can't make a difference, RC? Think of all the countless people who feel the same way, and choose to sit at home with their thumb up their ass and drool on their chin, justifying their slack-jawed complacency with the same exact logic you're using. That makes a difference.

 

I can accept people who don't vote simply because they are ignorant about the politicians/issues; at least they're honest. But people who complain about what goes on around them while choosing to do nothing about it irritate me GREATLY. If anyone has a right to complain, it's ME. I live Florida, where we managed to fuck up the elections in November 2000 and the one a couple of months ago. Now we use a scantron-type sheet that will probably see us fail yet again, as the senior citizens in the southern part of the state will probably not be able to wrap their arthritic claws around the marker long enough to completely fill in the bubbles. If that happens, you heard it hear first.

[Guest Ace309]

Got out and voted at 7 AM. I love being able to walk to my polling place.

 

I try to ignore anyone who lords the fact that they don't vote over me like it's something to be proud of. I'm a college student, and I've basically given up trying to explain to my classmates that the politicians don't cater to us because we don't vote. They don't seem to understand that if we started to be an attractive voting block, we'd get more perks and so forth. Or at least that's the theory.

 

Tom steps off his soapbox.

 

Ahem. Sorry bout that.

[Guest Incandenza]

Apropos of nothing, Andy Wojcicki is running for the district 8 seat in the State Senate here in Florida.

 

 

Isn't he dreeeeeeeeeamy?

[Guest Ace309]

Geez, and I have to look at Tom Golisano. Bleh.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I hate all those grandiose motherfuckers who think they're special because they chose to vote.

 

 

At the local voting booth.

 

Vote if you want to vote, I won't waste my time.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"I try to ignore anyone who lords the fact that they don't vote over me like it's something to be proud of."

 

LOL -- same sh*t happened to me, then and now. And it's always the little old ladies who seem to go "Isn't that nice -- you're voting."

 

Too bad I'm voting for candidates who will TAKE AWAY YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY. Or at least that's what their opponents say.

 

BTW: My opinion on the whole go-out-and-vote issues is this. Vote if you want. I don't care. Chances are you probably would pick the other guy...

[Guest DragonflyKid]

Oh, and I took a few bags of alluminum cans to the recycling center a few days ago, so what if tons of garbage is ending up in landfills everyday, I did my part, I'm making a big, big difference and should be proud and look down on non-recyclers. I'm changing the world, oh yes I indeed see a brighter tomorrow.

 

Just because you participate doesn't mean you will affect outcomes.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I hate all those grandiose motherfuckers who think they're special because they chose to vote.

 

 

At the local voting booth.

 

Vote if you want to vote, I won't waste my time.

Move to Iraq.

[Guest Incandenza]

I hate all those grandiose motherfuckers who think they're special because they chose to vote.

 

 

At the local voting booth.

 

Vote if you want to vote, I won't waste my time.

...sheep? Is that all you can come back with? Your blatant ignorance was ripped apart for everyone's pleasure, and all you can think of is sheep? I suppose that makes you a leader, but a leader of what? Apathy and stupidity?

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

My fucking absentee ballot never showed up. ARGH.

 

I was really looking forward to cancelling out my dad's vote for Jeb Bush, too. Heh heh.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

You can all go on pretending you're making a difference, I'm not buying it.

 

I'm not ignorant, you choose to be both ignorant and or naive.

 

This is going nowhere, go do your inconsequential parts, I'm out.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"I was really looking forward to cancelling out my dad's vote for Jeb Bush, too. Heh heh."

 

Ha ha -- it's a right-wing plot...

[Guest Ace309]

Edwin, I propose that you sue.

 

As a white male, you've clearly been disenfran-

 

 

 

 

Never mind.

[Guest J*ingus]

I'm not going to vote, for a variety of reasons.

 

1. I don't know the candidates or the issues too well, and that ain't my fault. I listen to news radio every day I can, and read a weekly paper with plenty of political info in it. Yet still, the message of who these people are, what they're actually going to do if they're elected, that all gets lost for anyone not running for Governor or some other equally important post. Like, when two different people are running for County Clerk or something, two complete strangers to you, who the hell are you supposed to vote for?

 

2. The campaign ads really turn me off the whole process; I have quite literally not seen or heard one which didn't include a negative (and probably untrue) attack on their opponent. I don't take kindly to people trying to manipulate me.

 

3. There's a voting place not five minutes from my house, but for zoning reasons, I have to go to one that's over half an hour away, out in the boonies. Yeah, I want to participate in THIS system.

 

4. RollingChop does have one point: one person's vote really doesn't matter 99.99% of the time. It's true. In the Presidential election, it didn't matter who I voted for, because I knew that Bush was taking the state no matter what. My vote basically didn't count, and I don't like that feeling.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

"I was really looking forward to cancelling out my dad's vote for Jeb Bush, too. Heh heh."

 

Ha ha -- it's a right-wing plot...

Heh. That's what my super-liberal friend told me this afternoon. "They realized that you're a democrat and didn't want you voting! They burned your ballot!"

 

"Caroline, I'm registered as Unaffiliated."

 

"Oh.

 

(Pause.)

 

Well, they knew! Somehow!"

 

It's too bad, but I have a feeling it's going to be a bit of a landslide anyway. Word from the homefront is that McBride hasn't been picking up much support at all, which is unfortunate...though, honestly, I don't know if I'd be voting for him for the right reasons anyway. I'd simply be voting for him because I don't like what Jeb Bush's term has done for public education in Florida, and I'm pretty sure anybody else & staff could do a better job of that.

 

Perhaps that's a good enough reason, but I feel slightly shifty with the "Well, it's somebody who's not HIM" approach.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

4. RollingChop does have one point: one person's vote really doesn't matter 99.99% of the time. It's true. In the Presidential election, it didn't matter who I voted for, because I knew that Bush was taking the state no matter what. My vote basically didn't count, and I don't like that feeling.

I can definitely side with your three first points, but this one doesn't really hold up in this case. While that's certainly true in a federal election, your vote most certainly does count in a state election. Now'd be the best time to make up for that feeling of not having a say in the presidential aspect.

 

However, I respect your decision, as you are not simply choosing to abstain as a sort of "cool" counterculture bullshit dance.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I was going to quit on this topic but...

 

However, I respect your decision, as you are not simply choosing to abstain as a sort of "cool" counterculture bullshit dance.

 

 

I'm guessing that was a personal attack aimed at me? I could care less about the counterculture as much as I could care less about being involved in a process I don't feel I'll in no way prove to be significant. It's about personal choice, I choose to not vote it's that simple. If that was directed towards me it was an ignorant remark, the decision not to vote was all about me not about being "cool."

 

BTW I live in CA, I tend to lean Republican in a Democratic state which might be why I feel the process is futile. My single vote ain't going to be a momentum builder for Republican issues.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"BTW I live in CA, I tend to lean Republican in a Democratic state which might be why I feel the process is futile. My single vote ain't going to be a momentum builder for Republican issues."

 

Hell, you're an endangered species...

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

BTW I live in CA, I tend to lean Republican in a Democratic state which might be why I feel the process is futile. My single vote ain't going to be a momentum builder for Republican issues.

Wrong.

 

California has several very, very close elections this year.

 

The thing that bothers me is that if everyone thought the way this guy does, NOBODY would vote. How fucking stupid is that?

 

I voted absentee for my district and was unfortunately forced to vote Republican in my district's HR race since the dems didn't nominate anyone for my district. The Constitution Party member's website was full of pro-gun propoganda, so... no.

 

On a side note, if you want to learn about your candidates, it's not that damn hard. All you have to do is view their websites very, very briefly, look at their platform, and then formulate your idea for whom you want to vote. Lack of knowledge should never be a problem with the internet.

[Guest imajackoff?]

The last election I voted in was in 1992. I've made sure that I stayed registered the entire time. Ive made a point to know the candidates and issues of my district. I refuse to honor one of these greedy, self important fuckers with my approval. I REFUSE. I choose to show up as part of the percentile of registered voters that didnt vote. That's my voice. It's equally important as anyone else's.