Drunk killed by bus driver

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Bus "ploughed into drunk"

 

A BUS driver did not slow down before he ploughed into a drunken man who was singing and waving his arms in the middle of a road, a court heard.

 

Raymond Senior chose not to stop and assumed Lee Robinson would jump out of the way, it was alleged.

 

At the last moment, Mr Robinson, 22, tried to move, but it was too late and he was flung 20 metres by the bus. He died shortly afterwards.

The tragedy was captured on CCTV in Yorkshire Street, Oldham town centre, Manchester Crown Court was told.

 

Driver Mr Senior, 44, of Delph, Oldham, denies a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

 

Prosecutor Nicholas Clarke said that Mr Robinson had been out with friends and was drunk.

 

He left a food takeaway and stood in the middle of Yorkshire Street singing and waving his arms.

 

Mr Clarke said the bus had turned into the same street, leaving Senior with a clear view of the road- and Mr Robinson- who was about 50 metres away.

 

The prosecution alleged that the bus carried on towards Mr Robinson without slowing down.

 

Mr Clarke said: "There was nothing to prevent this defendant seeing the man waving his arms in the road.

 

"There was nothing to stop this defendant taking some action, the bus was capable of stopping easily.

 

"He chose to continue to drive towards Lee Robinson assuming he would get out of the way.

 

"That was a serious and dangerous error of judgement that proved to be fatal." Mr Clarke added that the bus did not brake until after it had struck the victim and that four witnesses would testify they saw Mr Robinson in the road well before the bus struck him and that the driver had time to take evasive action.

 

Mr Clarke said it was a clear evening last June just before 8pm when the incident happened.

 

He said that Senior had his eyesight checked before the accident and it was perfect.

The bus was also mechanically sound, the antilock breaking system was working, the tyres were properly inflated and the tread was the correct depth.

Proceeding

 

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/sto...tory=23442.html

 

Am i alone in thinking the drunk got what he deserved?(Probably)

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

I feel no pity toward him...

[Guest J*ingus]

So now "drunk walking" is a crime too?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

He got what he deserved.

[Guest El Satanico]

So he deserved death for standing in a street. Well oook then that's a bit harse. So i suppose all jay walkers deserve to be ran over as well.

 

He didn't deserve to die, but at the same time the Bus Driver doesn't deserve prison time for it either. There was no reason for the bus driver to not at least slow down and prepare to stop, but it's still basically an accident that he wasn't the cause of so doesn't deserve prison time over it.

 

 

This all reminds me of the scene in the original Austin Powers where a guy is screaming while standing in the path of a steamroller 500 feet away that takes 2 minutes to run over the guy.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

The guy got drunk, that was his own doing, the bus driver being there i attribute to god, fate, or chaos.

 

So its all the drunks fault because the other 3 cant be brought to trial.

[Guest LooseCannon]

It may've been an accident, but the law often punishes people for their accidents. The bus driver did not slow down at all, and he had time to. The driver's choice not to slow down was either reckless (he was aware of the risk that the drunk would be run over and chose to ignore it) or negligent (he was not aware of the risk, but he should have been). The fact that the victim was drunk doesn't mean anything in the calculation of the bus driver's guilt. He shouldn't get the same penalty as a deliberate murderer, but driving a vehicle is a serious responsibility and if you drive in such a way that such accidents will tend to happen, then you deserve criminal sanction when they do.

 

Why would the victim have gotten what he deserved? Because he had a couple drinks and walked into the street. Being in the street doesn't give anyone license to run you over.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

I'm going with the prosecution here. The man killed was drunk, but the bus driver had a good distance to at least slow down and try to avoid him, which he failed to do on both counts. At minimum, it sounds like involuntary vehicular manslaughter.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

If you dont follow the rules of the road, and walking, and you get hit, its your fault probably, especially if you're walking in the middle of the street.

 

Him being drunk was his own doing, his not walking in a cross walk was his own doing, in my opinion, the bus driver may not have been right in hitting the guy, but Im not gonna persecute him for it since the guy he hit obviously wasnt playing it smart. We're probably better off anyways, but thats my opinion.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Him being drunk was his own doing, his not walking in a cross walk was his own doing, in my opinion, the bus driver may not have been right in hitting the guy, but Im not gonna persecute him for it since the guy he hit obviously wasnt playing it smart. We're probably better off anyways, but thats my opinion.

 

Yes, the bus driver may not have been right in the act of wantonly running the guy down.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I dont know, sometimes you just think humans are asking to be killed.

 

And if you lived in the city I do, you would know not to walk into the street because you automatically become a moving target and someone will try to hit you.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I dont know, sometimes you just think humans are asking to be killed.

 

And if you lived in the city I do, you would know not to walk into the street because you automatically become a moving target and someone will try to hit you.

 

Its just common sense not to walk into a street because you can and will get hit. I had to learn that lesson the hard way when i was like 6. Broke a few bones, but I always check before I cross now.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

I'm not really feeling up to defending Stinking-Drunk Pedestrian Dead Guy. He bears some responsibility for being...um..dead.

 

Doesn't change the fact that it's vehicular manslaughter. And common sense says that if you see a guy or group of children in the street, you slow down. Guessing from the report, it sounds like the driver had a clear view, no heavy traffic at all. And he still barreled into the guy.

 

There comes a point where stopping becomes a good idea in that scenario.

[Guest DrTom]

How is this a difficult issue? The driver didn't slow down, despite having ample time to, and plowed into someone? That's criminal negligence and vehicular manslaughter. Just because the victim was drunk doesn't mean he "got what he deserved." What a completely detestable point of view. Someone stumbles out of a bar, gets run over by a careless bus driver, and he somehow deserved it? Perhaps had he been sober and fallen in the street, some of you would say it's his fault for not investing in a better pair of shoes.

 

I'm ahamed to share this board with some of you lot.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

SOME OF US, i think its just me here. Excuse me, whens the last time a drunkard did something good for soceity? For every drunk thats killed theirs a lesser chance of him being behind the wheel and killing someone else. I think the irony of the sober man killing the drunk is probably the best part about this whole case.

 

Hey I have no sympathy for people tha dont follow the rules of he road or go and get drunk and then end up dead. People think life is so damn special, well iits not. If life was so special and such a mircale, then single mom statistics (sp) would be so high. One less drunk on the planet and one less person for anyone to have to give a crap about. But thats my opinion.

[Guest bob_barron]

SOME OF US, i think its just me here. Excuse me, whens the last time a drunkard did something good for soceity? For every drunk thats killed theirs a lesser chance of him being behind the wheel and killing someone else. I think the irony of the sober man killing the drunk is probably the best part about this whole case.

 

He was drunk. No one knows if this was his first time ever getting drunk or anything. He was just drunk that one night. You don't know if he was going to drive home or anything.

 

 

I have no sympathy for people tha dont follow the rules of he road or go and get drunk and then end up dead. People think life is so damn special, well iits not. If life was so special and such a mircale, then single mom statistics (sp) would be so high.

 

So we shouldn't go and have a night out with our buddies and have some fun? The guy who got killed is at fault here but the bus driver should've slowed the fuck down.

 

One less drunk on the planet and one less person for anyone to have to give a crap about. But thats my opinion.

 

The article never stated he was an alcoholic. It just stated he was drunk that night which could've been the first time he ever got drunk. My opinion is you're a fucking moron who thinks he's so cool b/c he's "cynical. But that's my opinion.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

SOME OF US, i think its just me here. Excuse me, whens the last time a drunkard did something good for soceity?

 

I'm sure there's been quite a few *ahem* drunkards who've made worthy contributions to society. Not that this article said the guy was a shiftless layabout anyway, but making snap judgements is fun!

 

For every drunk thats killed theirs a lesser chance of him being behind the wheel and killing someone else. I think the irony of the sober man killing the drunk is probably the best part about this whole case.

 

For every bullet I put into somebody's brain there's a greater chance they won't have offspring who grow up to be Hitler or Joan Rivers. Preemptive murder strikes don't wash.

 

Hey I have no sympathy for people tha dont follow the rules of he road or go and get drunk and then end up dead.

 

Then you shouldn't feel too bad about this fool getting jail time for barreling down the street expecting people to *move*. Good thing this reckless driver took out that 'ol drunkard, huh? He'll have a clear conscience knowing he killed him sober.

 

People think life is so damn special, well iits not. If life was so special and such a mircale, then single mom statistics (sp) would be so high. One less drunk on the planet and one less person for anyone to have to give a crap about. But thats my opinion.

 

Aren't you the guy who started the big hub-bub about us all living in harmony and believing in a world without war? You're painting yourself to be blissfully ignorant or wonderfully stupid.

[Guest DrTom]

SOME OF US, i think its just me here.

No, at least two other people shared your contemptible opinion. Scroll up.

 

Excuse me, whens the last time a drunkard did something good for soceity?

What in the articles indicates the victim was "a drunkard?" It states he was out with his friends and got drunk. There's nothing there to mae me think he gets drunk habitually. What's wrong with someone going out with their friends and having a good time? Just because he got drunk doesn't mean he deserved to get run over by a bus.

 

For every drunk thats killed theirs a lesser chance of him being behind the wheel and killing someone else.

What a profoundly stupid thing to say. I despise drunk drivers, but I'm not going to celebrate the death of someone who happened to be drunk on the chance it kept him from driving that night.

 

If life was so special and such a mircale, then single mom statistics (sp) would be so high.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Try it again, this time in English.

 

I have to agree with Bob: you decided that being "cynical" was cool, so you labeled yourself a cynic. In reality, your opinions are more nihilistic than anything, and nihilism is one of the more intellectually bankrupt "philosophies" out there. Every time you post, you come across as more poorly-informed, your views show little to no forethought, you rail against society for the wrong reasons, and you claim that any other opinion is just "following along." That's not being a cynic, it's simply being a close-minded jackass.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

He was drunk. No one knows if this was his first time ever getting drunk or anything. He was just drunk that one night. You don't know if he was going to drive home or anything.

Ok the guy was not a drunkard, MY BAD read the article wrong , but getting so drunk you stand in the middle of the street shows he was way to drunk for his own good.

 

Then you shouldn't feel too bad about this fool getting jail time for barreling down the street expecting people to *move*. Good thing this reckless driver took out that 'ol drunkard, huh? He'll have a clear conscience knowing he killed him sober.

Um, the driver did give the guy ample time to move accoridng to the article. 50 meters was ample time to move, but the guy stood there. If the driver was doing 100 down the street, and the guy was still standing in the middle of the road, I still would say, no real lose, but then the driver should be in jail for reckless driving.

 

So we shouldn't go and have a night out with our buddies and have some fun?

If you and your friends want to get drunk, fine but even he beer commercials tell you to DRINK RESPONSIBLY. Standing in the middle of a street is NOT responsible. I drink, yeah, but I dont bother to get so wasted i wonder out into a street. Sorry I give no love loss for anyone who does that.

 

I have to agree with Bob: you decided that being "cynical" was cool, so you labeled yourself a cynic. In reality, your opinions are more nihilistic than anything, and nihilism is one of the more intellectually bankrupt "philosophies" out there. Every time you post, you come across as more poorly-informed, your views show little to no forethought, you rail against society for the wrong reasons, and you claim that any other opinion is just "following along." That's not being a cynic, it's simply being a close-minded jackass.

Being cynical is NOT cool, I hate it. I dont say yeah the guy deserved it because its the cool thing to do. I say it because the guy was stupid enough to get drunk wander into a street and then stand there like an idiot when he had plenty of time to move. Theres a reason people dont stand in the middle of the road, you can and will get hit, this guy choose to ignore that, and he payed the price for it.

 

Cynical is defined as, in part atleast, Negative or pessimistic, well thats what I am.

 

Aren't you the guy who started the big hub-bub about us all living in harmony and believing in a world without war?

Untill we reach the point of harmony, I could care less about any other human being on the planet, no matter what their postion or stature may be. When we reach the point of world harmony, Ill care, untill then forget it. One guy getting killed is not the same as a war. And if world harmony did exist, there would be no single mothers, there would be no cars, no booze, and my anger would not exist, but since we dont have world harmony, they do.

 

What a profoundly stupid thing to say. I despise drunk drivers, but I'm not going to celebrate the death of someone who happened to be drunk on the chance it kept him from driving that night.

You obviously dont hate drunk drivers as much as I do. Drunk driving should be a capital offense that being pulled over drunk should be an execution on the spot.

"According to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2000 America experienced the largest percentage increase in alcohol-related traffic deaths on record. 17,380 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes - an average of one every half-hour.  These deaths constituted approximately 41 percent of the 41,945 total traffic fatalities. " Thats nearly HALF of all death on the roads contributed to drinking. Shoot them I say.

 

My opinion is you're a fucking moron who thinks he's so cool b/c he's "cynical. But that's my opinion.

My opinion is william regal is a really lousy wrestler, but thats completely off topic.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

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Which adds up to a half-page of simpering gibberish. Congrats.

 

The government should have just teleported that drunkard away.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

The government should have just teleported that drunkard away.

 

What?

 

I didnt bother to address people while using quotes. Ill fix it.

[Guest bob_barron]

If this guy was a crackhead no one would be complaining.

 

What's your point?

 

Um, the driver did give the guy ample time to move accoridng to the article. 50 meters was ample time to move, but the guy stood there. If you and your friends want to get drunk, fine but even he beer commercials tell you to DRINK RESPONSIBLY. Standing in the middle of a street is NOT responsible.

 

Wow- thanks for your incredible insight there on not standing in the middle of the street. The bus driver chose not to stop- it's his fault. He was negligent and should be charged as such.

 

 

Dude- read over your posts before you post them. You pretty much make absolutely no sense there

[Guest bob_barron]

My opinion is william regal is a really lousy wrestler, but thats still completely off topic.

 

My opinion is that your a fucking retard who has no idea what he's talking about

[Guest cynicalprofit]

The bus driver chose not to stop- it's his fault.

 

The drunk guy chose to stand in the street, its his fault. Unless you're working on a construction job or something of that nature, you have no reason to stand in the middle of a road.

[Guest bob_barron]

Ok the guy was not a drunkard, MY BAD read the article wrong , but getting so drunk you stand in the middle of the street shows he was way to drunk for his own good.

 

Well yea- that's pretty obvious.

 

 

Um, the driver did give the guy ample time to move accoridng to the article. 50 meters was ample time to move, but the guy stood there. If the driver was doing 100 down the street, and the guy was still standing in the middle of the road, I still would say, no real lose, but then the driver should be in jail for reckless driving.

 

By not stopping, he didn't really give him much time at all. It's a bus- he could've easily stopped it and made sure the guy got out of the way. I still don't see why you say 'no real lose(sic)'. You act like this guy was some fucktard who deserved to die.

 

 

If you and your friends want to get drunk, fine but even he beer commercials tell you to DRINK RESPONSIBLY. Standing in the middle of a street is NOT responsible. I drink, yeah, but I dont bother to get so wasted i wonder out into a street. Sorry I give no love loss for anyone who does that.

 

No one is asking for your sympathy but no one here is especially asking for you to act like this death was a good thing and that the guy deserved to die.

 

That's really all of my post you quoted- I'll leave it to Dr. Tom to defend what he said.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

That's really all of my post you quoted- I'll leave it to Dr. Tom to defend what he said.

 

Defend from what?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

The bus driver had time to stop? I should have read the article before making my comment.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

By not stopping, he didn't really give him much time at all. It's a bus- he could've easily stopped it and made sure the guy got out of the way. I still don't see why you say 'no real lose(sic)'. You act like this guy was some fucktard who deserved to die.

 

Because he stood in the road. The guy did not have to do that, if he had stayed on the sidewalk like he was suppose to, this would not have happened. I dont walk out into the street and stand there, i doubt you or any other sane person does.

 

No one is asking for your sympathy but no one here is especially asking for you to act like this death was a good thing and that the guy deserved to die.

I dont think guys who wander into the street, drunk or not, should be allowed to complain that it wasnt their fault they got hit, nor do I think the family should be able to sue(if they were to try). Its just common sense not to walk into a street or stand in the middle of one.

[Guest bob_barron]

for kahran-

Raymond Senior chose not to stop and assumed Lee Robinson would jump out of the way, it was alleged.

 

for kagato-

Well I was gonna respond to all of cynical's post but I decided just to defend what he quoted of me. I'll let Dr. Tom defend his posts, not that it would take much time to

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

for kagato-

Well I was gonna respond to all of cynical's post but I decided just to defend what he quoted of me. I'll let Dr. Tom defend his posts, not that it would take much time to

 

No, seriously...

 

Defend from what?