Republicans have control

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Olympic Slam- good post as well, but I once again am not saying take money from all conservatives and all middle class, I am just saying that those who are well off, and disgustingly well off would go a long way in helping the world off by giving more of their income that they dont need, its GREED plain and simple, which once again goes against Christian teachings, people who have 18 million sitting in their bank account could fork over some of that in taxes, and wipe out a whole ghetto if they chose too, greed should not be what life is about plain and simple.

 

kkk-are u telling me white man's privilege doesn't exist? (im white btw)

 

DrTom-first of all U cant tell me what to write, and I wont conform to what U want me to do. So stuff your "I can do it why cant others shit back in your mouth". Fact is in your post you ASSUMED thinking that people are too "lazy" to put the entitlement away, well just because U got a job when U were 12 does not mean that others from different ethnic, and educational BACKGROUNDS can.

 

I should just say that everyone on this board should be like me. They should go to University, then go to Graduate school, then go out and get a job that pays them 60,000. Fact is not everyone had the same privilege as me and not everyone was given the same breaks because of superficial reasons as myself, so I will not ASSUME that everyone can go out and do what SYXX has done. Oh and remember that little rule we talked about...Justice Clarence Thomas is one of 1000 kids born into those circumstances that made it, and there are very good systemic reasons why the other 999 did not.

(buries his face in his hands, weeps)

 

Okay, let's take this section by section.

 

Urban Decay will occur no matter how much we tax the rich within a capitalistic structure, because it is made for people to win and lose, plain and simple. Everyone can't win. Nothing to do with Christian teachings, I don't know where that came from. I mean, I'm no Christian myself, but even I'm offended by that, not because of any beliefs, but because it simply stereotypes an entire set of people, which liberals aren't supposed to do, you know? Please stop making those of us who attempt coherent arguments look bad by proxy.

 

White Man's Privilege is a term I've never really heard before, but I'll admit that, at least where I live, other ethnicities still aren't on the same level as white people yet. It's getting there, but not yet.

 

I won't touch the irony of you telling someone to stuff their supposed stuffing strategy. Why you emphasize "backgrounds" escapes me. Also, he isn't really telling you what to write in some massive attempt to make you conform, he's simply telling you what parts of your argument were incorrect, like I'm trying to do. It's seriously for your own good, and mine as well, because we've got some real winners who have cropped up in here in the last week who are on the left but make total asses out of themselves and making an even better case for the other side without them even having to say anything. So, if thinking your responses out is conforming, please begin conforming today.

 

You just railed against the wealthy, but then you immediately advocate going to graduate school and getting a very well-paying job, all while telling us that we should all be like you. So... we can conform to your standards, but you can't conform to any of ours. Okay, I get it now.

 

I agree with most of what MikeSC said, except the possible saracasm regarding leftist open minds. You might have been serious or sarcastic, I just wanted to point out that the left is supposed to have an open mind, but it's often forgotten with people like those in this particular thread and hardliner Democrats in general. Also, the economy was in recession in 1992 if I'm not mistaken, and recovery was very slow until the market boom in 1995 and 1996. You were right about growth slowing and a downturn beginning in 2000 though.

 

And yes, the Democrats ARE screwed if they go hard left, which I hope they won't do. It won't kill them to cooperate with the people in power as long as they appear to want to compromise and work to the best of their abilities, which is what gets votes, NOT going super hard and being irreconcialable.

 

Kotzenjunge

Really Hoping the Democrats Don't Go Hard Left

[Guest TheMikeSC]

MIKE!

 

::marks out, tears quad::

 

Where've you been, man? >>>

 

 

Well, I'm seeing somebody and that pretty well takes up whatever time isn't taken up by my uber-crappy job.

 

Thanks for asking. :-)

-=Mike

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"White Man's Privilege is a term I've never really heard before, but I'll admit that, at least where I live, other ethnicities still aren't on the same level as white people yet. It's getting there, but not yet."

 

Yeah, i've heard all this before about how whitey sucks -- I figure if I'm going to part of the oppressors, I might as well reap some of the benefits. *whips out white man's privilege membership card for extra 20% discount at Target*...

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Mike, welcome back -- Long time no hear!!! (Hmmm, Marney leaves, Mike returns -- possible alter egos?)>>>

 

 

Man, wouldn't THAT be creepy?

 

Well, we both like women, so I suppose it's a possibility.

 

 

<<<"kkk-are u telling me white man's privilege doesn't exist? (im white btw)"

 

I'm sure it does -- my problem is that I've never experienced it!

 

Cops pulling me over? Never happen. Not because I'm white -- because I drive under the speed limit in the right-hand land.

 

Having trouble getting a loan? Never happen. My credit is good and I pay my bills on time.

 

Get sent to jail? Not likely, since I OBEY THE LAW!!!

 

Have crack sweep through my neighborhood? Nope, I don't live in the city.

 

If I have to suffer feeling bad about repressing the world, I want the benefits of being a white male damnit!>>>

 

 

Indeed. Where is this immense advantage that the tint (or lack thereof) of my skin affords me?

 

 

<<<"I should just say that everyone on this board should be like me. They should go to University, then go to Graduate school, then go out and get a job that pays them 60,000."

 

Oh hell no, I was tainted enough by being a cog in the academia machine just to get my BA. I'd NEVER go back to this slime pit that is the higher education system.>>>

 

 

Besides, college is vastly over-priced for what little you get.

 

 

<<<"just because U got a job when U were 12 does not mean that others from different ethnic, and educational BACKGROUNDS can."

 

Why? Does Big Media discriminate as to who can deliver their newspapers? >>>

 

 

Well, I suppose they'll want somebody who actually does the job---so the spawn of the whining masses might have problems.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<I agree with most of what MikeSC said, except the possible saracasm regarding leftist open minds. You might have been serious or sarcastic, I just wanted to point out that the left is supposed to have an open mind, but it's often forgotten with people like those in this particular thread and hardliner Democrats in general.>>>

 

 

Oh, it was total sarcasm. Democrats have long ago abandoned classical liberalism (which the Republicans basically espouse) for the hybrid of socialism/managed economic theory that runs so prevalently through so many of their elected officials.

 

 

<<<Also, the economy was in recession in 1992 if I'm not mistaken, and recovery was very slow until the market boom in 1995 and 1996.>>>

 

 

Actually, in 1992, the economy was in full recovery---somewhere in the 4% growth rate for that year. It completely DIED the next year---but in 1992, the economic woes were grotesquely exaggerated.

 

 

<<<You were right about growth slowing and a downturn beginning in 2000 though.

 

And yes, the Democrats ARE screwed if they go hard left, which I hope they won't do. It won't kill them to cooperate with the people in power as long as they appear to want to compromise and work to the best of their abilities, which is what gets votes, NOT going super hard and being irreconcialable.>>>

 

 

Apparently being ready to put Pelosi in charge of the House Dems is a VERY bad sign for them. They tried this tactic in 1984 and to say it was less than successful would be a mild understatement.

-=Mike

[Guest Olympic Slam]

people who have 18 million sitting in their bank account could fork over some of that in taxes, and wipe out a whole ghetto if they chose too, greed should not be what life is about plain and simple.

Money doesn't fix problems, it just delays problems. The fact is, the ghettos are the way they are because the people living and opperating in them have made bad decisions or are not capable of advancing beyond their current lifestyle. Cutting someone a check wont give them the neccessary tools to really advance beyond what they already are capable of.

 

Example, not everyone is as popular as Kurt Angle and the Rock, right? So Vince wants to create more stars like Angle and Rock. So he decides to push Hardcore Holly and Mark Henry as main eventers and give Angle/Rock a break. He gives Hardcore and Mark Henry similiar music, more main event time, more mic time, main events them and even give them title reigns. Yet even though those two were given the same oppurtunities and exposure Angle and Rock were, they still aren't Angle and Rock. They don't have the skills, charisma, or whatever that makes them so popular with the fans.

 

The answer is in education, which needs MASSIVE reform. Each year more money is dumped into schools and kids are coming out dumber than ever. Money isn't the issue, the way kids are being taught is the issue. We need to be teaching kids the skills neccessary to succeed in the real world. How to think critically, how to make smart decisions, how to solve problems. The usual stuff (math, reading, writing) are just as important as ever, but kids need to actually LIKE going to school and need to start caring about going to school.

[Guest DrTom]

MIKE! Welcome back.

 

Don't be such a stranger next time. With Marney gone, I feel I'm holding the fort down almost by myself. Having another voice in the fight against The Evil Left is always welcome.

[Guest DrTom]

first of all U cant tell me what to write

I wasn't trying to, slugger, so spare us all the wounded bird crap. I simply pointed out that the second-person pronoun "you" as three letters, not just one. AOL chat room shorthand just doesn't look good here. I can't say that using "U" hurts your arguments, since your arguments are doing a fine job of hurting themselves already.

 

and I wont conform to what U want me to do

Oooh, you go, rebel! FIGHT THE POWER~!!!

 

So stuff your "I can do it why cant others shit back in your mouth".

I won't conform to what you want me to do.

 

More seriously, if I as a middle-class white guy can do it, how come other people can't? I didn't get any special breaks along the way. I managed to get a good education in private schools (which is available to more people now, with the vouchers program), but I earned it thru scholarships. Effort IS noticed and IS rewarded, but it has to be expended first, and I have no sympathy for those who don't even try.

 

Fact is in your post you ASSUMED thinking that people are too "lazy" to put the entitlement away

When one generation of welfare recipients breeds another generation of welfare recipients, what exactly would you call it? The opportunities to do other things abound, but someone from the ghetto who tries to make something of themselves is immediately branded a "sellout" and an "Uncle Tom." Like wanting to improve your life is worthy of scorn. The ghetto is something everyone should WANT to escape, and the enforced sense of fraternity in squalor doesn't do anybody any good. Have "pride" that you escaped the ghetto and made yourself into a success, not that you live in the projects and collect money from people who actually earn a living.

 

well just because U got a job when U were 12 does not mean that others from different ethnic, and educational BACKGROUNDS can.  

Nothing stopped them. They had the same opportunities I did to get a paper route. As long as the opportunities are the same, that's all we can do, and it's all we should do. Forcing equality of results isn't fair to anyone.

 

BTW, in the almost seventeen years since I got that job, the "junior carrier" position, as it was called, has been phased out. For the past several years, people contract out the routes, basically doing what I did, just on a larger scale and with more manpower. But again, the opportunity is there for anyone to deliver the papers if that's what they want to do.

 

(Edit: No, I really don't know why I used bold instead of quote all those times...)

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Having another voice in the fight against The Evil Left is always welcome.

Hey! We're not all bad! I know that at least I'm far from evil.

 

Kotzenjunge

"Evil" Leftist Who At Least Uses His Brain

[Guest DrTom]

Hey! We're not all bad! I know that at least I'm far from evil.

I was being facetious.

 

Mostly.

[Guest bob_barron]

Just a little disclaimer-

Not all Ryersonians think like that

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Hey! We're not all bad! I know that at least I'm far from evil.

I was being facetious.

What's with everyone in this folder using big words all the time?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

You see EvenflowDDT, the need for perspicacity in the verbalization of the prodigious hyperbole contained in this folder herein is a result of the democracy of hypocrisy in my prostate.

 

</In Living Color>

 

Kotzenjunge

Hopes People Get That Joke

[Guest bob_barron]

Wow- that sounds like something Bob Backlund would say

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Wow- that sounds like something Bob Backlund would say

or Ultimate Warrior

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Welcome back Mike.

 

Always nice to have another anti-liberal person on the CE folder.

[Guest EricMM]

Always nice to have another anti-liberal person on the CE folder.

 

You give him too much credit. I don't care how much MikeTheSC argues, he can't make the left look as bad as Syxx does every time he opens his mouth...

 

sigh. your assaults will never kill us faster than our cancer

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well the ghettos in the Los Angeles area are mostly that way because all the warehouses and factories that used to feul the economy down there, just decided that cheap labor in Mexico and central america was much more important to them than helping out americans with a thriving job market. So naturally, when the business/jobs go, it will reduce the supply of income for your area, which results in what you see as modern day ghettos of southern california.

[Guest Some Guy]

Which might be a reason to tighten up the immigration laws and guard the borders.

[Guest EricMM]

No I think he meant opening plants in Mexico, is that correct?

[Guest NoCalMike]

Yes, Eric MM, I was talking about corporations such as Nike/Ford/GM etc....setting up plants and production lines in Mexico or some other country that has NO LABOR LAWS, and they can take advantage of hardworking people in order to turn a bigger profit. So when they leave a small town/area all dried up and there is no economy left, what do you expect to happen, everyone open up a lemonade stand? And the simple fact of the matter is, 90% of "illegal" immigrants are here to WORK, not to leech. Stop listening to people like Michael Savage and O' Reily, when they say "terrible illegals here to abuse blah blah blah" they just don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Last warehouse I worked in, I am sure of it that there was a good percentage of illegals, and quite frankly they were great workers, and came to america for a better life. Do you think a mexican person passing a test which asks them who the 8th president of the united states was is going to make him/her a better worker? Please.

[Guest EricMM]

But that's why we allow people to immigrate at all, because its a totally good thing.

 

But to -ILLEGALLY- immigrate is not ok, it's ILLEGAL. It's WRONG. You can't do that shit just because. You'd better just wait until it's your turn.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Ok, I understand. Yes I think "illegal" immigration IS becoming a problem, and that is probobaly the one main issue I do have that goes against my liberal grain, but at the same time, I know for a fact that our country's officials act in a very biased way towards which illegals stay and go. THis is one issue I am just not sure HOW TO HANDLE.....Conservatives want our borders guarded with military force, Green Party wants to tear down the border(probobaly, exaggerating) but there has to be something in between, and our current system is just horrible.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

is one issue I am just not sure HOW TO HANDLE.....Conservatives want our borders guarded with military force, Green Party wants to tear down the border(probobaly, exaggerating) but there has to be something in between, and our current system is just horrible.

We need worker programs with other countries and the cooperation of those countries' leaders in order to make sure everything is legal and safe. Secondly, we need huge restrictions on the types of access to programs and benefits recent legal immigrants can receive. That way those who do come to this country will have but no choice to work hard, and that's what we want right? Third, we need to abolish the "born in the U.S, born American law." Children should receive the citizineship of the parents to prevent loopholes in immigration acception. Fourth, I believe new citizens should have take a loyalty oath to the U.S.

 

If we take away the "gravy train" incentives to come to the U.S, then the hardworking folks who actually want to be a part of America will come and the free-loaders will be better off in their more compassionate homelands. This in turn would stop the spread of third-world beliefs in the U.S

[Guest Some Guy]

is one issue I am just not sure HOW TO HANDLE.....Conservatives want our borders guarded with military force, Green Party wants to tear down the border(probobaly, exaggerating) but there has to be something in between, and our current system is just horrible.

We need worker programs with other countries and the cooperation of those countries' leaders in order to make sure everything is legal and safe. Secondly, we need huge restrictions on the types of access to programs and benefits recent legal immigrants can receive. That way those who do come to this country will have but no choice to work hard, and that's what we want right? Third, we need to abolish the "born in the U.S, born American law." Children should receive the citizineship of the parents to prevent loopholes in immigration acception. Fourth, I believe new citizens should have take a loyalty oath to the U.S.

 

If we take away the "gravy train" incentives to come to the U.S, then the hardworking folks who actually want to be a part of America will come and the free-loaders will be better off in their more compassionate homelands. This in turn would stop the spread of third-world beliefs in the U.S

I pretty much agree with you, but what one parent of a child is American and the other is not a citizen? Does the kid get joint citizenship? I don;t want to hear that they should be married before they had the kid either, although they should be.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

is one issue I am just not sure HOW TO HANDLE.....Conservatives want our borders guarded with military force, Green Party wants to tear down the border(probobaly, exaggerating) but there has to be something in between, and our current system is just horrible.

We need worker programs with other countries and the cooperation of those countries' leaders in order to make sure everything is legal and safe. Secondly, we need huge restrictions on the types of access to programs and benefits recent legal immigrants can receive. That way those who do come to this country will have but no choice to work hard, and that's what we want right? Third, we need to abolish the "born in the U.S, born American law." Children should receive the citizineship of the parents to prevent loopholes in immigration acception. Fourth, I believe new citizens should have take a loyalty oath to the U.S.

 

If we take away the "gravy train" incentives to come to the U.S, then the hardworking folks who actually want to be a part of America will come and the free-loaders will be better off in their more compassionate homelands. This in turn would stop the spread of third-world beliefs in the U.S

What "gravy train incentives"? Do you really think people come to this country to freeload? If so, what would they freeload off of - illegal immigrants get no health care of welfare (at least not here in California)? More importantly, how would restricting the rights of LEGAL immigrants do anything to stop ILLEGAL immigration? If anything that would encourage it...

 

Also, I've never seen an immigrant, legal or not, who hasn't worked hard to provide for their family (usually in minimum wage or lower paying jobs) or gain social acceptance. Just saying is all.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Do you really think people come to this country to freeload?

 

I can't speak for the US, but it happens in Canada all the time.

[Guest MR. COOLING]

And the new Marney is...

 

 

 

I hear this same speech from just about every Canadian. If social programs are your thing and "each according to his ability as each according to his need" is your country's philosophy, than that's A-ok. Just remember though, if your dollar weakens you still have your compassion. If a beloved sports team moves to Orlando, you still have compassion. If you have to wait an extra week or three to see the Dr., you still have your compassion. If the latest product is available in the U.S but not Canada, no need to worry, you still have compassion. If you work hard to become succesful and have to give up nearly half your salary in taxes, just remember that it's going towards compassion. Don't blame or diss the U.S when things don't go your way, you still have your compassion. After all, that makes you better than us, right?

[Guest MR. COOLING]

[but I damn sure want to see Canada live up its potential. ]

 

Canada has no potential on the world stage on its own it is doom by its Switzland-esque nature to be a pygmy. The only way Canada could achieve its full potential is by either joing the USA (which all sensible Europeans should be willing) or as part of a Anglo-Saxon Federation with Australlia, New Zealand and Britain.

 

W.W. COOLING

[Guest MR. COOLING]

We on the Right are compassionate human beings who don't want there to be any people who need care that can't afford it. We want people to be self-reliant and free from governmental control, not a bunch of mindless wards of the state who put their hand out and beg big brother for free money. Being truly compassionate is helping these people stop leaching off the system and actually becoming part of it. Keeping people on welfare does nothing but promote more welfare, we've raised a welfare generation who don't know how to work and who don't know how to go to school because their parents never did and we never provided a need for to. Why go to schiool when the gov't will give you a home, pay all your bills, buy all your food, etc...? What's the point? Especially when those who advocate such programs tell the people that there is no shame in it. People on welfare who are not so fucked up that they can't take care of themselves SHOULD be ashamed of it and they should do anything they LEGALLY can to get the fuck off of it and if the gov't has to cut them off then so be it. It's tough love but in the end it's compassion, you've released the person from governmental control and allowed them to be free.

 

Amen brother

 

W.W.I COOLING