Guest Redhawk Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I'm not saying I think the Survivor Series match will be good, but does anyone think there's a possibility? Brock Lesnar has talent and, as we saw at SummerSlam and sometimes with RVD, can put on a good match. Big Show is the x-factor. Can he have a good match? Has he ever? What would it take for a Big Show match to qualify as "good."?
Guest bob_barron Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Big Show had some decent matches with Rock
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 No. It is going to suck all the way till Brock F-5's him.
Guest mickberna Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 The whole match is going to be filler until Brock goes for the F5, which is basically the only thing anyone cares about. The match will suck. The F5 will be awesome. Show will go back to jobbing. Thank you, goodnight.
Guest Youth N Asia Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I think it'll be an ugly match with stalling and bearhugs. Brock getting beatdown till he musters the strength for an F5... Would be nice is Brock pulled off a shoot star press.
Guest El Satanico Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I don't believe that there's a remote chance of it being a good match. I don't believe The Giant has ever had what you'd call a good match.
Guest Kibagami Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I don't think Brock's going to F5 him -- Heyman's made a point of selling how hard it would be, if not impossible, for Brock to lift the Big Slug. This is going to be one of the worst brawls in a loooooong time. Hopefully, a Shooting Star Press from Brock will be the light at the end of the tunnel. S.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I could definitely see a SSP in the future. If he can't F5 him, he'll need to find another way to beat him. That could be neat.
Guest Kibagami Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I dunno if Brock can really F5 him, seriously. Picking up a 500 lb. sloth is one thing. Throwing him around for a convincing F5 is something else entirely. If there's a good time to debut the SSP, this'll probably be it. S.
ChrisMWaters Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I dunno if Brock can really F5 him, seriously. Picking up a 500 lb. sloth is one thing. Throwing him around for a convincing F5 is something else entirely. If there's a good time to debut the SSP, this'll probably be it. S. Everyone keeps on talking about how the weight will cause problems for the F5. Has everyone forgotten that he did that to Mark Henry before...and Henry isn't THAT much lighter than Big Show is? Then there's the height...if he can to Undertaker, how much harder would it be to do it to Big Show? I think that Lesnar will be able to F5 Big Show.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 But big show is much more MASSIVE than Henry (as in, not only heavier, but 'bigger'). I enjoyed a Big Show/Kane match from around Feb. this year. It was a solid big man vs. big man match. Big Show hit some really nice clotheslines and they didn't do anything beyond their abilities. It was a good match (this coming from someone who does not like kane at all. And maybe the big show less.) So what I am saying is, it depends in the presentation. Jesus, I'd hate to sound like JR but if they can tell a story in the ring and not fuck up and work stiff - it COULD be good. The odds of that happening are slim to none since Brock is inexperienced and the big show is the big show. However, they are practicing - brock bumping for big show last week gave me a little hope that he match won't be a big train wreck. They just have to be true to the format.
Guest Cataclysm911 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I dunno if Brock can really F5 him, seriously. Picking up a 500 lb. sloth is one thing. Throwing him around for a convincing F5 is something else entirely. If there's a good time to debut the SSP, this'll probably be it. S. Everyone keeps on talking about how the weight will cause problems for the F5. Has everyone forgotten that he did that to Mark Henry before...and Henry isn't THAT much lighter than Big Show is? Then there's the height...if he can to Undertaker, how much harder would it be to do it to Big Show? I think that Lesnar will be able to F5 Big Show. Why is he winning at house shows with a "modified fireman's carry" then? Sounds like a botched F-5 to me.
Guest Youth N Asia Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Like I said before, I think the match is going to be Brock getting slowly beaten down forever, getting little offense in himself, then hitting the comeback for the win. I think they know a Show/Lesnar match is going to be less then great, so they came up with the big gimmicky Chamber crap for Raw. Anyone think Paul E might turn on Brocky next week and join Show? They're trying to get Lesnar over as a face...and Paul E is quite the hell...plus it would give the heel one more advantage going into the ppv.
Guest Kibagami Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Damn modified fireman's carries. I just want to see a really big dude do a Shooting Star Press in something other than an indie match. It'd be cool. The WWE sorely lacks cool things right now -- with the exception of Benoit countering the Angle Slam with a bottle to the head. I don't know why more people don't use that counter... S.
ChrisMWaters Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Why is he winning at house shows with a "modified fireman's carry" then? Sounds like a botched F-5 to me. The Modified Fireman's carry at house shows could just be Lesnar getting used to picking up Show's weight. House shows ARE, after all, used to practice stuff for PPVs. Like I saw in a house show with Undertaker and Yokozuna in a casket match a few weeks before the one they had at Survivor Series. Plus, they could just be saving the "big finish", aka the F5 on Show or the Shooting Starr Press, for the PPV.
Guest NoCalMike Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 At least I give props for the WWE for trying to build Big Show correctly as an asshole monster, however it is too little too late probobaly for credibility purposes. I don't think 2 weeks of being a monster, will cover up 2 years of being a big slow jokester type person.
Guest Kibagami Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 They could always swerve us and have Slow come out as the Showster for the match. At least it'd shorten it. A little. S.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 The "Champ can't rely on his trusty weopon of choice, so he must find another way to put away the giant" story could do wonders to make Brock look credible. Of course, the hard part is getting through the body of the match without killing the fan interest in either guy right off the bat. No way this is anything good. And Giant has never had any good matches, but he was certainly watchable, one upon a time, where as now he's a total embarisment and an abomination in the ring.
Guest Cataclysm911 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 The "Champ can't rely on his trusty weopon of choice, so he must find another way to put away the giant" story could do wonders to make Brock look credible. Of course, the hard part is getting through the body of the match without killing the fan interest in either guy right off the bat. No way this is anything good. And Giant has never had any good matches, but he was certainly watchable, one upon a time, where as now he's a total embarisment and an abomination in the ring. Well, if Brock tries to work ring psychology into his match it would help. I mean, since we're gonna see restholds anyway, at least if all of them target a certain area to set-up the finish it would look better. Of course, Show would have to sell too. We could see Anglesaults favorite, the BEARHUG OF DOOM~!1 with Brock working over Show's ribs, then finishing with a SSP. Not like it will happen, but it's a thought. I'm sure Show will be on offense most of the match anyway, so as long as Brock bumps good, it should be fine. It's not like anyone is expecting a wrestling clinic.
Guest edotherocket Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I think Rock/Hogan and Shawn/HHH are great examples of technically poor wrestling matches made infinitely better by hot crowds and good story-telling. Now, I doubt the crowd will really be that in to the match but if they do the Heyman turn and some spots with some chairshots, SSPs and such throughout then it can still be watchable. I think they will make it like the old Hulk vs. Fat Guy matches and have Brock tease doing the F5 throughout the match but having his back keep giving out.
Guest NoCalMike Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Well for one, "The Big Show" is goofball-esque, and his music is corny as well. His best times as far as character, is right off the bat when he started. For one, he was in pretty damn good shape, the longer hair was better, and he had a no nonsense character. WWE though a big 7 foot goofball was the right direction to go, and now it bites them in the ass when they want to INSTANTLY throw him in a ME match.
Guest easye46 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I'm not saying I think the Survivor Series match will be good, but does anyone think there's a possibility? Brock Lesnar has talent and, as we saw at SummerSlam and sometimes with RVD, can put on a good match. Big Show is the x-factor. Can he have a good match? Has he ever? What would it take for a Big Show match to qualify as "good."? Nope
Guest Trivia247 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 We have to look at it from a different scale. Its a Hoss vs Giant. Big Show, despite how people dislike him regardless, is physically one of the better Giants we seen. He doesn't have the Presence of a Andre, but he makes it up with attempting to have a Larger Moveset than the standard throw your weight around, Slap and Headbutt affair. it might not be a Workrate Masterpiece..but it can be a Decent Power story... The TRUE X-Factor will be Paul Heyman... Brock is becoming a Tweener from his showing respects to Taker, and taking on Big Show who is clearly playing the Big Bad Giant Heel. Heyman however is still a Heel, but also you saw tonight that he has become the mastermind Heel role. We may see Brock and Heyman split at the match. With Heyman screwing out Brock to give the Big Lug the title, Or ATTEMPT to Screw him out, causing a DQ loss or it getting Foiled and Brock winning. If The last option happens Brock will probably get more Face response.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 ** tops. Brock will bump like a madman, but the last time Big Show was watchable for me was during the Rock feud. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge
Guest eirejmcmahon Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 The story going into the match is good and Lesnar can hold his own in the ring but no, there's no chance of this being a good match.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 It is going to suck all the way till Brock F-5's him. If i could put that any better, i would.. BIG SHOW FUCKING SUCKS I mean ANYONE but him, i'd rather watch TRIPLE H then Big F'N Show... Illusion - prefers little shows
Guest converge241 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I think there will be some impressive power move visuals
Guest midnight_burn Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I expect the match will be a few minutes of weak brawling to start, then a 4 minute Show bearhug, which Lesnar counters into a 3 minte bearhug, which Show counters again into a 5 minute bearhug. This will be topped off by some sloppy clotheslines and Brock botching a F5 for the win. Sounds like a match of the year candidate to me.
Guest Brian Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 I don't want to see an shooting star press until Brock turns face, the night after Mania. He gets pissed at Paul for getting him all relaxed and complacent about Angle, Paul berates him, Brock turns, hits the move, then GORE! GORE! GORE! And your world title feud is Angle/Benoit.
Guest Si82 Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 Big Show had some decent matches with Rock When Bob?
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