Improving the Women's Division

[ChrisMWaters 0]

OK...unfortunately, we all realize that the WWE Women's Division is crap. Half of the "wrestlers" for it are simply beauty models with minimal wrestling skills, and the few real wrestlers in it aren't allowed to showcase their skills that well (like my goddess).

 

So...how could it be improved? There are a few ways, if you ask me.

 

1)Cut the crap. People like Terri, Stacy, and others of the like will NEVER be CREDIBLE Women's Champions. Just look at Debra for an example of that. Keep the female wrestlers wrestling. I would say Trish, but she's showing she can improve, so keep her. Keep people like Jazz, Victoria, Ivory, and Molly (DEFINATELY Molly) working for the title.

 

2)Get some skilled women wrestlers. Out there in the world there are plenty of female grapplers looking for a big chance. What are the girls of WOW doing now that that company went down the toilet. Sure they're not as alluring to some people as some of the WWE girls, but I can easilly see them becoming popular as well. Hell, Luna Vachon was popular while managing the Oddities...hmm, if she hasn't burned all the bridges with WWE, bring her back for a short bit. Look to the Land of the Rising Sun as well. Japan REALLY knows how to do Women's wrestling well.

 

3)Less gimmick matches. 9 times out of 10, whenever you see women wrestling, it's something idiotic like puddle of mud matches and the like. Hell, not even GLOOW does that crap all the time, and they are one of the worst women's wrestling outlets out there. Gimmick matches should only be used once in a while, not almost every time you see women wrestlers on camera.

 

4)Build bigger feuds. I kinda like the Victoria/Trish feud right now. Victoria despising Trish for what she is and, according to Victoria, what she's done in the past builds a good feud. Unlike the main event scene on the same show...uh.

 

Anyone have any other ideas?

[Guest wolverine]

Forget it. Vince isn't going to want his boys upstaged by the Japanese girls - unless they bring in the ones who suck.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Forget it. Vince isn't going to want his boys upstaged by the Japanese girls - unless they bring in the ones who suck.

And of course, by that you mean literally AND figuratively. I'm sure he's keeping around Linda Miles for when he gets a case of "jungle fever." Plus he won't call out the wrong name by accident. =P

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Forget it. Vince isn't going to want his boys upstaged by the Japanese girls - unless they bring in the ones who suck.

Eeeh, he did it before.

 

Back in 1994/5, Bull Nakano was upstaging some of his boys in her matches with Alundra Blayze (which Bull carried, if you ask me).

 

So he did it once...and you know Vince doesn't learn from past mistakes.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Forget it.  Vince isn't going to want his boys upstaged by the Japanese girls - unless they bring in the ones who suck.

Eeeh, he did it before.

 

Back in 1994/5, Bull Nakano was upstaging some of his boys in her matches with Alundra Blayze (which Bull carried, if you ask me).

 

So he did it once...and you know Vince doesn't learn from past mistakes.

Alundra was a pretty blah worker, maybe around Trish's level. Although I don't know if she was as good as even Trish.

 

She had a small moveset and looked like she was being led around in the match by hand by her opponent most of the time, plus Lawler was on the mark about her looks ("million dollar body, ten cent face").

 

If you brought in puro girls chances are most of the girls wouldn't be able to hang with them and they'd have to be carried to such a degree it would look pathetic. Trish, Nidia, and Molly would do alright, though, in my opinion.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

If you brought in puro girls chances are most of the girls wouldn't be able to hang with them and they'd have to be carried to such a degree it would look pathetic. Trish, Nidia, and Molly would do alright, though, in my opinion.

I agree with that statement.

 

If Jaqueline lost her mega-implants a bit, I think she could go back to being a pretty good wrestler herself.

 

Also, Ivory is a great worker.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

Jacqueline impressed me in that 3 way bout a couple weeks ago. But her chest gotta be slowing her down and getting in the way. To me the women's division is pretty credible now...a lot more than i've seen it personally. Just keep the non-wrestlers out of it...and pick up some more.

The woman match for wrestlemania should Jazz vs. Victoria. That would be good.

[Guest AndrewTS]

If you brought in puro girls chances are most of the girls wouldn't be able to hang with them and they'd have to be carried to such a degree it would look pathetic.  Trish, Nidia, and Molly would do alright, though, in my opinion.

I agree with that statement.

 

If Jaqueline lost her mega-implants a bit, I think she could go back to being a pretty good wrestler herself.

 

Also, Ivory is a great worker.

Oh yeah, Ivory returned on Raw didn't she? (Stopped watching Raw) I forgot about her, because I was still thinking of her as a TE trainer.

 

And I don't know if it is the gigantic boobs making Jackie stink up the ring so much or not, but I don't know if she was any good before having them.

 

EDIT: Trivia reminded me about Victoria, too. She could probably hang with them too.

 

Damn...more than I thought.

[Guest Trivia247]

Forget it.  Vince isn't going to want his boys upstaged by the Japanese girls - unless they bring in the ones who suck.

Eeeh, he did it before.

 

Back in 1994/5, Bull Nakano was upstaging some of his boys in her matches with Alundra Blayze (which Bull carried, if you ask me).

 

So he did it once...and you know Vince doesn't learn from past mistakes.

He also put Blazye against Leilani Kai at Wm10 a Gal who we hadn't seen since Wm1

 

Past Women's Divisions have been glow women, or women basic wrestlers.

 

now adays the Women division got its t&a aspects but there are a few who are credible wrestlers

Molly, Ivory, Trish (Gotta admit she has improved) Victoria and Jazz when she comes back.

 

Trish and Victoria bust out some Puro here and there to the point where you think Trish is channeling SAITO and Kawada and Victoria is Channeling Kobashi or Taue.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

He also put Blazye against Leilani Kai at Wm10 a Gal who we hadn't seen since Wm1

True, but at least back in WrestleMania 1, Lelani could work pretty well (judging by her match with Wendi Richter)

 

But I do think that she had some matches post WrestleMania 1/Pre WrestleMania 10 back in the 80s.

 

BTW...if they were a few years younger, I would like to see Sherri Martel and Luna Vachon join the WWE's Women's division for some reason.

[Guest ShooterJay]

On a side note, does anyone laugh when Torrie says in her Diva video something like, "when people see me on the street, they don't expect me to be a wrestler." How about because YOU'RE NOT ONE, eh?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

On a side note, does anyone laugh when Torrie says in her Diva video something like, "when people see me on the street, they don't expect me to be a wrestler." How about because YOU'RE NOT ONE, eh?

Heh, very true.

 

Which is why I was glad that on they July 11 edition of Smackdown (the one I went to when it was taped on the 9th) that Molly beat Torrie with that modified submission hold that got turned into a pin.

 

...speaking of Torrie...or rather, Tori...if they gave her a fair chance, could she have been a good Women's Title combatant?

[Guest AndrewTS]

On a side note, does anyone laugh when Torrie says in her Diva video something like, "when people see me on the street, they don't expect me to be a wrestler." How about because YOU'RE NOT ONE, eh?

Heh, very true.

 

Which is why I was glad that on they July 11 edition of Smackdown (the one I went to when it was taped on the 9th) that Molly beat Torrie with that modified submission hold that got turned into a pin.

 

...speaking of Torrie...or rather, Tori...if they gave her a fair chance, could she have been a good Women's Title combatant?

I suppose so. They pretty much dropped her because plans for the Raven's valet angle fell through.

[Guest papacita]

I suppose so. They pretty much dropped her because plans for the Raven's valet angle fell through.

 

Why did they drop that angle? I was pretty interested in it while it was going on.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I suppose so. They pretty much dropped her because plans for the Raven's valet angle fell through.

 

Why did they drop that angle? I was pretty interested in it while it was going on.

Cause they couldn't decide what to do with her from there.

 

Either that or she was about to become Tough Enough 1 trainer...I don't remember exactly.

[Guest jester]

Here's how you improve the women's division in 10 easy steps:

 

1. Shoot Lawler through the head.

 

2. Get more than four people who can work.

 

3. Hire a few of the WOW girls that were actually starting to get over and show talent, like Riot.

 

4. Chop Lawler's body into little pieces, just to make sure.

 

5. Get a few Japanese workers, don't give them evil Japanese gimmicks, instead give them meaningful face and heel spots.

 

6. No more T&A pudding matches. If you absolutely must do it, regulate the Fluffers like Stacy to them only, not the ones who can work, or at least be carried. It might even be helpful to have a Fluffer division on Raw, and workers on Smackdown.

 

7. Burn the little pieces of Lawler's body to be even more sure.

 

8. Tell the announcers to talk up the women's matches and the moves while they're going on, and NOT about HHH's latest boring tirade, or the PPV. Show them Lawler's remains as a warning.

 

9. Give everyone a gimmick or angle that has nothing to do with who slept with who, who is prettier, who has better panties, whatever. Have them feud over traditional wrestler stuff, like who has the better move, who wants revenge after an injury, and who wants oh, duh, the fucking championship belt. Actually, a lot of this applies to all WWE belts.

 

10. Peform an exorcism at every stadium to make sure Lawler's spirit is gone.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

3. Hire a few of the WOW girls that were actually starting to get over and show talent, like Riot.

Riot would make a good addition to the women's division.

 

If they tweeked her just a bit, I could easilly see former WOW Champion Terri Gold turned into a female Kurt Angle.

 

Slam Dunk was doing pretty well too. Maybe a gimmick repackaging in order...but who knows.

 

And...definately repackage a few others and you have a bunch of good women's title contenders there.

[Guest AndrewTS]

6. No more T&A pudding matches. If you absolutely must do it, regulate the Fluffers like Stacy to them only, not the ones who can work, or at least be carried. It might even be helpful to have a Fluffer division on Raw, and workers on Smackdown.

Division? Eh...I dunno. Maybe throw something for them to fight over, which can be a big brass dildo for all I care, but keep it in the "Sportz Entertainment" show. However, a belt shouldn't be used for them, regardless, since they aren't worthy of it.

[Guest jester]

Division? Eh...I dunno. Maybe throw something for them to fight over, which can be a big brass dildo for all I care, but keep it in the "Sportz Entertainment" show. However, a belt shouldn't be used for them, regardless, since they aren't worthy of it.

Point taken. You're right, don't let let them have a belt, because you don't want that "division" (or whatever you want to call it) to look like the real women's wrestling division.

 

I personally think the Fluffers should just go back to being valets and not wrestle at all, but it's unlikely to happen in WWE. Just as long as they don't mix in Stacy with the wrestlers, unless she goes the Trish Stratus route and suddenly develops some skills.

[Guest jester]

Riot would make a good addition to the women's division.

 

If they tweeked her just a bit, I could easilly see former WOW Champion Terri Gold turned into a female Kurt Angle.

 

Slam Dunk was doing pretty well too. Maybe a gimmick repackaging in order...but who knows.

Riot was supposed to be a heel, but she was getting the Austin reaction--so bad and so cool that you had to love her. She'd probably get over had she started this in WWE.

 

Terri Gold was supposed to be an all-American face, but I thought her act was pretty bland. Imagine if WWE had decided that Angle should act like a pure hero and be considered a legitimate face. A heel Terri Gold would be a great female foil for Angle though.

 

Selena Majors and Thug, if they aren't too broken up now, should be brought in. They could only be trainers and heels though. I doubt they'd get over with all the models hanging around.

 

The rest? Eh...these are the only ones that really stick out. Caged Heat maybe.

 

You know, considering all its limitations, dumb gimmicks, no money and the fact that most of the workers started wrestling about a month before the fed started, WOW did a lot better at promoting real women's wrestling.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The rest? Eh...these are the only ones that really stick out. Caged Heat maybe.

Slam Dunk, Jungle Grrrl, and Becky the Farmer's Daughter had potential. Give them a few months work and better gimmicks, you have 3 good stars here.

 

Then again, knowing McMahon's love for Hillbillies, he may just keep Becky's old gimmick the way it was.

[Guest jester]

Actually yeah, Becky was getting pretty over too, by WOW standards.

 

And she climbed the ropes more often than most WWE slugs...

[Guest netslob]

look, the women's division is around for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only, TITS and ASS. that's it, no arguments please we're closed for the day. you want ACTUAL women's wrestling, go to Japan. you'll never get it here and especially from Vince "the World Champion of Feminists" McMahon.

[Guest deadbeater]

What is needed?

 

1. Have Stacy get kidnapped, smuggled over to the Gaea Girls camp and get worked over by Chigusa and her assistants. Either she dies, or returns as a killer. If she returns and performs well, she will be over like no other.

 

2. There are natural dynamics among the women that can lead to productive, long-term feuds. Molly and Jacqueline are having the best feud this side of Benoit and Angle, stemming from the days when Molly was wrestling as Starla Saxton. Yet they didn't even have a single interview or promo segment about each other. Sigh.

 

3. Once and for all, have the champion and the opponents not be subjected to terrible angles and gimmicks that could sully her careers before they even start. Already Trish and Molly were subjected to Red Rooster-level gimmicks and angles. To their credit both are doing their best to overcome them and regain respect, but damn, why do they have to in the first place?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

look, the women's division is around for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only, TITS and ASS. that's it, no arguments please we're closed for the day. you want ACTUAL women's wrestling, go to Japan. you'll never get it here and especially from Vince "the World Champion of Feminists" McMahon.

Explain when Moolah was Women's champion then.

 

Explain back in the day, when Women's Wrestlers got over by personalities and their skills...like Lelani Kai, Wendi Richter, Sherri Martel, Rockin' Robin...and later on, Alundra Blayze and Bull Nakano.

[Guest Redhawk]

All they need to do is decide what they want out of a women's divsion:

 

1. Serious wrestling, with its feuds and title belts and stuff, or

2. T & A, with it's gravy bowl matches and feduing over who fucked who's father.

 

Personally, I'd go with the T & A. There aren't many good female wrestlers on their roster, and the ones who are (besides Molly) have all proven they can do the T & A stuff well enough. Sure it sounds sexist, but they should really keep the females to being valets or managers or whatever they wanna call it. Maybe a mixed tag can happen every now and then, if there's some feud going on with the male wrestlers involved and the valets are just there to make it 2-on-2. Again, it sounds sexist, and probably is, but this is pro wrestling we're talking about, not some high-brow entertainment.