Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 ...anyone forgot. Well, it's been 5 years since Vince did you know what to Bret. It's weird because it seems like yesterday it happened. I wonder if any mention of it will be on Confidential tonight.
Guest Banky Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 ...anyone forgot. Well, it's been 5 years since Vince did you know what to Bret. It's weird because it seems like yesterday it happened. I wonder if any mention of it will be on Confidential tonight. Oh, the can of worms has been opened.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 ...anyone forgot. Well, it's been 5 years since Vince did you know what to Bret. It's weird because it seems like yesterday it happened. I wonder if any mention of it will be on Confidential tonight. Oh, the can of worms has been opened. I know...I was thinking about my wording as far as what Vince did to Bret...but whatever. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I'm not here to argue who's fault it was blah blah blah. We've heard it enough for the past 5 years.
Guest AM The Kid Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 It seems like it was ten years ago for me. Wow, that event started a chain recation of shit in my life...
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 It seems like it was ten years ago for me. Wow, that event started a chain recation of shit in my life... I found out my parents were getting divorced 2 weeks later. No shit.
Guest AM The Kid Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I moved to Regina and almost commited suicide...rock on.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Just noticed JHawk's post on the SmartMarks site....great, great read.
Guest Eagan469 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I first heard about the "double cross" through an old newsletter I used to get called The Wrestling Tribune. damn, it seems like much longer
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Now, after thinking about it...it does seem a lot longer. I was in 6th grade when it happened and I didn't really get what happened til about 2 years later. I remember renting Survivor Series 1997 when it came out and I said to myself "I thought Bret never quit..." and that's what I always thought until I slowly became a smart mark.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Yes I was a mark in the 8th grade. I thought that it was humiliating for Bret to lose in his own country with his own hold. Then I watched the tape and was like "he didn't give up......" then I saw Wrestling with Shadows.....my ascent to smarkdom began.
Guest AM The Kid Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I was in grade 5...smark status started very soon after.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Then I watched the tape and was like "he didn't give up......" then I saw Wrestling with Shadows.....my ascent to smarkdom began. Same here. After watching that, my look on wrestling took a 180.
Guest DJ Jeff Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I wasn't into wrestling when that happened, so the first time I really heard about this was when I watched Wrestling With Shadows back in 2000. I remember after watching that, I joined my first wrestling message board to find out more about that. My view on wrestling became quite different after that.
Guest Banky Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I moved to Regina and almost commited suicide...rock on. Yes, living in Regina will do that to you.
Guest Ravenbomb Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 man, I was way out of wrestling before that happened. The last thing I remember happening wrestling-wise is Bret in a wheelchair and Shawn not in a wheelchair and Bret was talking and then Raw ended. The next time I saw wrestling was a couple weeks before Survivor Series '98
Guest AM The Kid Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Yes, living in Regina will do that to you. I was bloody misrable, Regina sucked.
Guest papacita Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I was still a mark at the time, but I was just getting into the internet and read on Micasa that Bret Hart had signed with WCW about a week earlier, so going in I had the feeling that HBK was gonna win. When the match was going on, I was talking to one of my friends on the phone and kinda giving him a pbp of what was going on, and when Shawn locked on the Sharpshooter and the bell rang I was just in shock because you could plainly see that Bret was going for a reversal...and the PPV just abruptly went off the air at 10:34, so I figured that Bret got screwed. I'm a big HBK fan and hated Bret at the time, but I was actually pissed about what happened.
Guest dreamer420 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I think today we should all take a moment and really think about the two biggest douchebags in the Wrestling industry: Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I think today we should all take a moment and really think about the two biggest douchebags in the Wrestling industry: Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels. Wow, someone's still bitter about the Clique. As far as I'm concerned justice was served in all counts. Bret was humiliated, Shawn shortly retired, and Vince is beginning to see his justice now as the star that helped him get past SS 97 has left and his company is dying.
Guest Paranoid Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Personally I would have never guessed 5 years. I thought it had been like 8 or 9. I am glad though that the hype of the whole thing has died down.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Bret should have done the job If this was Hogan and he used his creative control to hold onto the belt, no one would cry for him. ... as a matter of fact why don't I ever hear about them doing exactly that to him when he decided to book himself over JJ?
ChrisMWaters Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Because it was late WCW, bps. No one cared by then. Anyway...while Austin did get a great boost to his career after this and Shawn's back...I still think that they should have tried with Owen Hart first. It would have been GREAT! ...and Owen might have stayed alive to this day...*sigh*
Guest Paranoid Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Anyway...while Austin did get a great boost to his career after this and Shawn's back...I still think that they should have tried with Owen Hart first. I have thought that since it happened. Owen was over big time after the whole ''King of Harts" thing. He deserved that BIG push that he never got. But I don't think that it would have mattered concerning his death. I am one that believes that when your time's up, then your time's up.
ChrisMWaters Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Anyway...while Austin did get a great boost to his career after this and Shawn's back...I still think that they should have tried with Owen Hart first. I have thought that since it happened. Owen was over big time after the whole ''King of Harts" thing. He deserved that BIG push that he never got. But I don't think that it would have mattered concerning his death. I am one that believes that when your time's up, then your time's up. Maybe, maybe not. Think of it this way: if Owen was WWF Champion, they would have a direction for him. They wouldn't have put him in the Nation, then into a tag team with Jeff Jarrett, then brought back the Blue Blazer, which led to Owen's death. That's just my opinion though.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 I was going to post a big image of Montreal with the text "GET OVER IT," but then my Photoshop crashed. ...But, well, you get the picture (or the message, since you DON'T get the picture.)
Guest RickyB Posted November 10, 2002 Report Posted November 10, 2002 Bret should have done the job If this was Hogan and he used his creative control to hold onto the belt, no one would cry for him. ... as a matter of fact why don't I ever hear about them doing exactly that to him when he decided to book himself over JJ? 1 - Bret was going to drop the Title when they got back into the States. 2 - Bret didn't want to just "hold onto the Title", he wanted to keep his credebility in Canada intact since Vince had already destroyed his credibility in the States. 3 - Bret had a right to use creative control there, Vince had just cut his contract short and he'd tried to sabotage his career. I wish Bret had signed for WCW when he was origionally going to sign for them, so much for loyalty, eh? And, btw with the Hulk Hogan thing. Not many people know the full story about that. I don't know what story you heard but the situations are completaly different, although, imo Hogan had as much right as Hart did to complain.
Guest AndrewTS Posted November 11, 2002 Report Posted November 11, 2002 I think today we should all take a moment and really think about the two biggest douchebags in the Wrestling industry: Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels. Wow, someone's still bitter about the Clique. As far as I'm concerned justice was served in all counts. Bret was humiliated, Shawn shortly retired, and Vince is beginning to see his justice now as the star that helped him get past SS 97 has left and his company is dying. I hardly think Vince has gotten his deserved comeuppance yet. He will sooner or later, but he hasn't gotten it yet, and still is a while away from it.
Guest OSIcon Posted November 11, 2002 Report Posted November 11, 2002 Bret had a creative control clause in his contract for his last month in the WWF in order to make sure he couldn't be burried. Hogan had a creative control clause for his whole run. There's a difference there. Plus what was already mentioned. Bret didn't want to drop the title to Michaels in Canada. After years of service to the WWF, you would think Vince would have returned the favor by granting him that wish. Hogan, on the other hand, just wanted to go over Jarrett and win the title.....period. It's a pretty big difference.
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