From the observer....

[Guest Dangerous A]

the observer is reporting that Angle has torn cartilage in his knee and needs arthroscopic surgery. they may do an injury angle around the time he neds to have it done. this may be the setup for WM if its brock who injures Kurt.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

the observer is reporting that Angle has torn cartilage in his knee and needs arthroscopic surgery. they may do an injury angle around the time he neds to have it done. this may be the setup for WM if its brock who injures Kurt.

It's a BIT early for another heel turn, wouldn't you say?

[Guest Brian]

He hasn't even turned fully-fledged face yet.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

So, it looks like Angle will miss a few months at least after he gets this surgery. Actually, the more I think about it, I can't remember Angle missing any TV time since he debuted. This would be the first time he had to miss any TV time at all. Then again, I could be wrong.

[Guest teke184]

You DON'T miss months for that kind of a knee injury. If the ligaments were damaged, you would. However, cartilidge damage is overcome almost immediately after you're scoped because the obstructions in the joints have been removed.

 

Angle can be "injured" at Survivor Series, have surgery, then be back for a match at Armageddon if nothing else is wrong besides a torn meniscus.

[Guest Nevermortal]

So, it looks like Angle will miss a few months at least after he gets this surgery. Actually, the more I think about it, I can't remember Angle missing any TV time since he debuted. This would be the first time he had to miss any TV time at all. Then again, I could be wrong.

After his match with Shane at KotR 2001, Angle missed a few weeks because he fractured his tail bone.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

teke is right. Angle (and Mysterio, who has the same problem) will miss only a few weeks - maybe five - tops. They should do an injury angle soon after Armageddon so the rehab time will coincide with the Christmas holidays.

[Guest Brian]

I think they should wait until after December and bring him back to start building him up for the rumble.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I agree with Brian, in that he should wait until after Armageddon to get the surgery done. That way, he'll be back in time for the Royal Rumble.

[Guest Downhome]

Is it safe to say that Angle isn't going off for the Olympics now?

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

They are slowly turning Brock face (bollocks to JR's 'the fans will decide'. If they want an Angle-Brock showdown at Mania, then Angle would have to be the face if they are to have Brock injure Angle.

 

Nobody pays money (and booking 101 says so) to see a face injure a heel and then the heel fight all the barriers and come back to face the guy who injured him.

 

It would only work the other way around...

[Guest Brian]

That's the whole point. They're not turning Brock face. He's going to stick with Heyman and he's not going to bturn face either. Brock's going to start being an ass after lifting the Big Show, bragging and all, Angle should try to step in as a contender, then Brock cuts him off and injures him (thus ending his Olympic hopes). Then you have that whole backfeud to start with, factor in both guys were amateurs and build the match around Angle being the quicker guy and Brock having the power and being less removed from his wrestling career. Like I've said before, it writes itself.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

You could simply keep him a heel by him and Heyman reconciling and quitting the fighting.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think they should wait until after December and bring him back to start building him up for the rumble.

In the mean time, continue jobbing him out and making an ass of him.

[Guest JHawk]

I think they should wait until after December and bring him back to start building him up for the rumble.

In the mean time, continue jobbing him out and making an ass of him.

Have you and I been watching the same program? I think working excellent 20+ minute matches on free TV is using him pretty well.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think they should wait until after December and bring him back to start building him up for the rumble.

In the mean time, continue jobbing him out and making an ass of him.

Have you and I been watching the same program?

No. I refuse to watch. But apparently, he jobbed to Edge again. I've never seen a challenger built up as the guy who never has any kind of a winning streak and loses every big match he's in.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

No. I refuse to watch. But apparently, he jobbed to Edge again. I've never seen a challenger built up as the guy who never has any kind of a winning streak and loses every big match he's in.

Two words for you:

 

Bret Hart.

 

Before his match with Ric Flair where he won the title, Bret Hart was losing matches to both Flair and a recently debuted Razor Ramon.

 

His title win was viewed as an Upset when he first got it.

[Guest Anglesault]

They ARE booking him to be the next Hart...

 

Maybe I'm, but wasn't Bret not exactly that big of a draw?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

They ARE booking him to be the next Hart...

 

Maybe I'm, but wasn't Bret not exactly that big of a draw?

I'm not sure...but the first Bret Hart match I saw was back in 1994, shortly before King of the Ring. Don't remember the opponent.

 

The second Hart match I saw was the Hart/Backlund title match where Backlund first snapped.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Y'know, if they push them both hard, You could have Angle-Brock as a Face-Face match. I think both are capable of getting over into mega-face mode if its done right. And those Wrestlemania Face-Face matches sure do have a habit of drawing well.

[Guest Anglesault]

It'll never happen. They would have to start pushing Angle seriously like, now. And I don't see that in the near furture.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Why? Have you so little faith in Angle's ability to get over? He already is pretty over as a face anyway, if they rush the full turn it'll come off forced and therefore shite.

[Guest Anglesault]

And if they keep doing what they are doing (Jobbing every week, goofy shit) He'll never be able to do a Face/Face Mania. Hell, does anyone remember Angle's last singles win? I think it was in August. I'm just saying they should start building him up now.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Actually, since Angle's been doing mostly tag stuff recently and losing the titles to further the feud with Benoit, now would be the best time for him to pull out ahead and become a face. I figure they'd probably have Benoit "injure" Angle to further that feud, and then not worry about Angle/Brock until closer to WM (like Royal Rumble or even No Way Out), since that's how they generally "build feuds" these days anyway.

[Guest Brian]

AngleSault, I thought we already argued this out and agreed that most of these latest losses for both Benoit and Angle have been pretty meaningless, as it's just fodder to further their feud.

 

I don't like the idea of Benoit injuring Angle because when he comes back, it should be about the title first and Benoit should just be an unresolved issue as part of the title thing.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

It should be Lesnar doing the deed, so that he can get some heel heat leading up to WM, and Angle can get sympathetic face heat.

[Guest Anglesault]

AngleSault, I thought we already argued this out and agreed that most of these latest losses for both Benoit and Angle have been pretty meaningless, as it's just fodder to further their feud.

Yes, but a) Every single week is a little overboard. and b) You REALLY can't expect a guy who lost on a regular basis to get over for the biggest PPV of the year if you start pushing him seriously a month before it.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Here's what I'm thinking will happen:

 

At Armageddon, or even the Survivor Series, it could be Benoit vs. Angle, where Benoit could injure Angle, thus having him miss a month of action. Angle then returns just in time for the Royal Rumble, heading into the Royal Rumble as an underdog because he came back from an injury. Have Angle win the Royal Rumble, and start building up the Lesnar vs. Angle match at Wrestlemania 19. That's where Angle could win the WWE Title, and defend it against Benoit at Backlash. That's what I'd like to see happen.

[Guest Brian]

I think Brock/Angle needs more time just because they have to establish all the background and everything, and that's why I'd have Brock injure him. If they build up the sympathetic face right, have Brock claim he's beaten everyone, and then have Angle come back, tell off Brock, do a little humor bit (hell, it's what got him over) but still be serious, and tell Brock he's shooting for the belt now, maybe even putting it above the Olympics. That's how you make a title important. Than build up everything, their amateur careers, spotlight on their workouts, give little training segment, emphasize on speed vs. power, and how Brock is less removed from the sport, how he achiveved things faster, and let him and Heyman be cocky.

 

Then after Brock loses, turn him full fledged face, say Heyman led him into a false sense of security, have him betray him since he doesn't have the title, and run Rhyno vs. Brock.

 

And go back to Benoit vs. Angle, after Angle beats Benoit at No Way Out to seal his spot in the title match.

[Guest MixxMaster]

That's the whole point. They're not turning Brock face. He's going to stick with Heyman and he's not going to bturn face either. Brock's going to start being an ass after lifting the Big Show, bragging and all, Angle should try to step in as a contender, then Brock cuts him off and injures him (thus ending his Olympic hopes). Then you have that whole backfeud to start with, factor in both guys were amateurs and build the match around Angle being the quicker guy and Brock having the power and being less removed from his wrestling career. Like I've said before, it writes itself.

No, I'm not feeling it...